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    Is Ryan Braun the biggest scumbag in sports now?

    Milwaukee Brewers slugger Ryan Braun said he won his appeal of a positive drug test and 50-game suspension because "the truth is on my side."
    "Today is for everybody who has ever been wrongly accused," he said Friday at a news conference at the Brewers' training facility in Maryvale, Ariz.
    "The simple truth is that I'm innocent," the outfielder said, with his teammates sitting in the stands in uniform behind him. "The truth is always relevant and the truth prevailed."
    Braun tested positive in October for elevated testosterone, and ESPN's "Outside The Lines" revealed the positive test in December. His case marks the first time a baseball player has successfully challenged a drug-related penalty in a grievance.
    But Braun said at the time and reiterated Friday that he had not taken a banned substance resulting in the positive test result.
    "If I had done this intentionally or unintentionally, I'd be the first one to step up and say I did it," Braun said. "I would bet my life this substance never entered my body."
    "I've lived this nightmare every day for the last four months," added Braun, the 2011 National League MVP. "At the end of the day, the truth prevailed. I'm the victim of a process that completely broke down."
    Braun, thanking his team, teammates and fans who backed him, said baseball players are "part of a process where you're 100 percent guilty until proven innocent."
    "We need to make sure that we get it right," he added. "Today is about making sure this never happens to anybody else who plays this game."
    Although MLB officials would not comment on the record, sources told ESPN legal analyst Lester Munson they are still convinced that the sample tested came from Braun, and that the positive test result was correct. They emphasized that the FedEx package that arrived in the Montreal laboratory was sealed three times with tamper-proof seals -- one on the box, one on a plastic bag inside the box, and again on the vial that contained the urine.
    The truth is always relevant and the truth prevailed.
    ” <cite>-- Ryan Braun </cite>
    The lab chief, an MLB source told Munson, testified that the urine was not tainted, that it was appropriate for testing, and that it tested positive for testosterone. The baseball officials, sources said, were incensed that Braun, his attorneys and the union successfully attacked the integrity of a collection procedure that is a "joint" procedure.
    The word "joint" in this context means that the union and the league agreed to the procedure, made a mutual decision to hire the collection agency and were both obligated to abide by the results. Any failure to follow the joint procedure, the league officials assert, is a "technicality" and had no effect on the integrity of the sample or the results of the test.
    Friday, Braun detailed how the urine sample he provided on Oct. 1, the day the Brewers opened the playoffs, was not delivered to Federal Express until Oct. 3. Baseball's drug agreement calls for samples to be delivered to FedEx on the same day they are collected.
    Braun said because of the delay, the testing was "fatally flawed."
    "I don't honestly know what happened to it in that 44-hour period," he said.
    In his appeal, Braun didn't argue evidence of tampering and didn't dispute the science, but argued protocol had not been followed. Multiple sources confirmed to ESPN investigative reporters Mark Fainaru-Wada and T.J. Quinn that Braun questioned the chain of custody and collection procedure.
    MLB officials argued that there was no question about the chain of custody or the integrity of the sample, and that Braun's representatives did not argue that the test itself was faulty.
    But multiple sources said the sample was not shipped for testing as soon as possible, as required by the drug testing policy, and instead was kept in a cool place in the sample collector's home. Sources told Munson that the collector left Braun's sample on a desk in a Tupperware container and left it there for two days.
    Sources also told Munson that there was doubt over whose urine was actually being tested. Braun offered to take a DNA test to confirm whose urine was in the sample, but Major League Baseball declined. However, an MLB source told ESPN's Mike Golic that Braun's side backed off of the offer to take a DNA test.
    Braun arrived at Milwaukee's facility Friday morning, walking through the complex's front doors to avoid reporters and camera crews waiting in back at the clubhouse entrance. Braun kissed his girlfriend before joining his teammates.
    Braun first met with manager Ron Roenicke, who suggested that the star outfielder also meet privately with Milwaukee's players.
    "He's been talking to me all winter, so we know what's going on," Roenicke said. "But they needed to hear it. With the outcome of it, I don't think he needed to explain anything, but I think he wanted to and the players probably appreciated it, so I thought it was great."
    Thursday, MLB executive vice president Rob Manfred said management disagreed with the decision by Das.
    "It has always been Major League Baseball's position that no matter who tests positive, we will exhaust all avenues in pursuit of the appropriate discipline. We have been true to that position in every instance, because baseball fans deserve nothing less," Manfred said. "As a part of our drug testing program, the commissioner's office and the players' association agreed to a neutral third party review for instances that are under dispute. While we have always respected that process, Major League Baseball vehemently disagrees with the decision rendered today by arbitrator Shyam Das."






    I can understand him being thrilled that he got away with cheating... but did he really have to come out with all of these comments, basically insulting the intelligence of everyone involved? Does he really think that a sample that is 3 times sealed and tamper proof is going to be broken into and changed without someone knowing?



    He is just digging his hole deeper and deeper, even the most delusional Brewers fan knows he is guilty now and he is talking about how he is the victim now? Unreal.

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    He barely even said a word when he was "guilty" and now he is a fkn chatter box

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    oh no, a ghost is back

    and the answer is no

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    i bet he only hits 12 homeruns this year

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttwarrior1 View Post
    oh no, a ghost is back

    and the answer is no
    Why don't you pay your debt and mind your business scumbag?
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    If he knew what was best for him he'd shut his mouth and be grateful he got off on a technicality. Anyone with a clue knows he's guilty of using illegal substances. Makes me sick how he's coming off like some victim now. Guy has no shame.

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    Everyone knows he is guilty and that is all what matters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikail View Post
    If he knew what was best for him he'd shut his mouth and be grateful he got off on a technicality. Anyone with a clue knows he's guilty of using illegal substances. Makes me sick how he's coming off like some victim now. Guy has no shame.
    I assume this is an attempt to make everyone forget what actually happened but the reality is, this guy isn't going to the hall of fame when his career is over. He might as well cope with it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PickWinnerAllDay View Post

    I assume this is an attempt to make everyone forget what actually happened but the reality is, this guy isn't going to the hall of fame when his career is over. He might as well cope with it now.
    I would hope he doesn't make the Hall of Fame. It doesn't bother me so much he used PED's as much as the way he is coming off acting like a victim now. Braun should just be grateful he got away with cheating and let it be.

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    Wonder how much Braun paid thar FedEx delivery guy. He's now off the roids. He will have an arod-like bust year full of injuries and Ks

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    Yep, worse than what Kobe or Ray Lewis did. At least they had the brains to not showboat after...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illusivecone View Post
    Yep, worse than what Kobe or Ray Lewis did. At least they had the brains to not showboat after...
    c'mon man, kobe ripped this poor little white slut a new one, ray lewis participated in a murder, you are comparing this nice jew from my neighborhood to those thugs? he ain't never hurt nobody...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghenghis Kahn View Post
    c'mon man, kobe ripped this poor little white slut a new one, ray lewis participated in a murder, you are comparing this nice jew from my neighborhood to those thugs? he ain't never hurt nobody...
    the girl in colorado had dna from like 6 other men down there in a short time period... you really think a girl that big of a whore is going to turn down sex with Kobe? She also bragged about his dick size to her girl friends, not really something a rape victim would do.

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    i never said he raped that little slut but you don't think he ripped her a new one? c'mon man, unless you are a porn star getting paid, even sluts don't like to go backdoor.

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    No, because his name is not Floyd Mayweather.

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    Copying from another forum-

    Will Carroll is a writer for SI that specializes in medical issues and PED's. He has been tweeting that Braun's team recreated the circumstances and showed that it matched what the original positive showed. I don't think we've hit the tip of the iceberg yet on what actually happened in this, but Carroll is saying that the chain of custody issue was just the beginning of their defense. It will be interesting to see how much detail Braun goes into

    Carrolls tweets-

    Repeatable result showed exactly how Braun's single test showed positive. Arbitrator agreed. Simple, isn't it?

    Brauns appeal was won on the scientific argument, I am told. No specific precedent set here. I'm curious if the substance will leak.

    Quit calling Braun decision a technicality, media. It was decided on science.

    Defense wasn't based on that it could happen, but how it DID happen.

    The Braun decision was based on HOW the sample was corrupted. Panel was shown exactly what happened, why result was invalid.



    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post837385231

    Looks like it could be a legit bad test. More should come out soon

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    His buddy Troy

    Is also guilty

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsnnh12 View Post
    Copying from another forum-

    Will Carroll is a writer for SI that specializes in medical issues and PED's. He has been tweeting that Braun's team recreated the circumstances and showed that it matched what the original positive showed. I don't think we've hit the tip of the iceberg yet on what actually happened in this, but Carroll is saying that the chain of custody issue was just the beginning of their defense. It will be interesting to see how much detail Braun goes into

    Carrolls tweets-

    Repeatable result showed exactly how Braun's single test showed positive. Arbitrator agreed. Simple, isn't it?

    Brauns appeal was won on the scientific argument, I am told. No specific precedent set here. I'm curious if the substance will leak.

    Quit calling Braun decision a technicality, media. It was decided on science.

    Defense wasn't based on that it could happen, but how it DID happen.

    The Braun decision was based on HOW the sample was corrupted. Panel was shown exactly what happened, why result was invalid.



    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post837385231

    Looks like it could be a legit bad test. More should come out soon

    Why would MLB be outraged if this was true?

    Answer: They wouldn't. They would be thrilled that their MVP wasn't a proven cheater and love the finding.

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    Rsnhh, never re-post something from bodybuilding.com..

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    but because espn wants to cover their own butts, they continue down this b.s. path to convince everyone that braun cheated.

    the same espn that is dismantling the big east because they didn't agree to the tv contract.

    and yet 90% of the population continues to believe braun cheated because espn and some "mlb representatives off the record" say that the test couldn't have been corrupted.
    well guess what, after being presented evidence, a fair unbiased person decided that it was corrupted.

    so quit backtracking and saying it was only a technicality espn.

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    No. He is arrogant yes, but who cares.

    "you need to play this game with fear and arrogance" - crash davis

    i personallybdont give a fukk what these players take. Barry Bonds is my all time favorite baseball player. I dont give a fukk if he took steroids he was exciting to watch.

    Ryan Braun is a entertainer and he is fun to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milwaukee mike View Post
    but because espn wants to cover their own butts, they continue down this b.s. path to convince everyone that braun cheated.

    the same espn that is dismantling the big east because they didn't agree to the tv contract.

    and yet 90% of the population continues to believe braun cheated because espn and some "mlb representatives off the record" say that the test couldn't have been corrupted.
    well guess what, after being presented evidence, a fair unbiased person decided that it was corrupted.

    so quit backtracking and saying it was only a technicality espn.
    Not exactly. The individual decided that the proper procedure was not followed precisely. They didn't say that the test was in fact corrupted, just that the agreed upon protocols were not followed. It's equivalent of cops busting in, seizing drugs, and then having the evidence tossed because they didn't get a search warrant. It's the correct legal decision, but it doesn't mean the guy didn't commit a crime. They just didn't catch him correctly. Braun should thank his lucky stars and shut up.

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    I knew Barry was always clean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PickWinnerAllDay View Post
    Why would MLB be outraged if this was true?

    Answer: They wouldn't. They would be thrilled that their MVP wasn't a proven cheater and love the finding.
    Maybe they're pissed at the possibility of their testing system having serious flaws? I just posted what an insider has heard, its clear that there is more to the story, which hopefully comes out. I have zero stake in this, not a Braun or Brewers fan

    Quote Originally Posted by King Mayan View Post
    Rsnhh, never re-post something from bodybuilding.com..

    All your credibility will be lost.
    Why not?

    Its as legit for breaking sports info as this place is...





    Oh shit, I see your point!! K, never citing them again. I'm sorry

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    h

    yes he cheated thank yoiu

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    Not exactly. The individual decided that the proper procedure was not followed precisely. They didn't say that the test was in fact corrupted, just that the agreed upon protocols were not followed. It's equivalent of cops busting in, seizing drugs, and then having the evidence tossed because they didn't get a search warrant. It's the correct legal decision, but it doesn't mean the guy didn't commit a crime. They just didn't catch him correctly. Braun should thank his lucky stars and shut up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    Not exactly. The individual decided that the proper procedure was not followed precisely. They didn't say that the test was in fact corrupted, just that the agreed upon protocols were not followed. It's equivalent of cops busting in, seizing drugs, and then having the evidence tossed because they didn't get a search warrant. It's the correct legal decision, but it doesn't mean the guy didn't commit a crime. They just didn't catch him correctly. Braun should thank his lucky stars and shut up.
    that's only if you believe espn's unnamed sources that say the sample was delivered late, but untainted

    if you believe will carroll and sports illustrated, then the sample was corrupted

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    Quote Originally Posted by milwaukee mike View Post
    that's only if you believe espn's unnamed sources that say the sample was delivered late, but untainted

    if you believe will carroll and sports illustrated, then the sample was corrupted
    Triple sealed. No chance of it arriving opened and them not knowing about it.

    Braun's only defense was 44 hours in possession instead of the mandated 24 hours or less.

    I would have respected Braun a lot more today if he had said, "I'm a lucky bastard.'

    He chose the 'I'm a victim wahhhhhhhhhhh' route.

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    Love how braun said to take his dna and mlb declined

    But wait its gets better MIKE GOLIC says braun was the one who declined. Rofl dufus ass golic are u kidding mw since when did he start covering baseball and have mlb sources

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoo youk View Post
    Love how braun said to take his dna and mlb declined

    But wait its gets better MIKE GOLIC says braun was the one who declined. Rofl dufus ass golic are u kidding mw since when did he start covering baseball and have mlb sources
    Mike golic would eat you for dinner

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoo youk View Post
    Love how braun said to take his dna and mlb declined

    But wait its gets better MIKE GOLIC says braun was the one who declined. Rofl dufus ass golic are u kidding mw since when did he start covering baseball and have mlb sources
    I read that Braun offered and then his lawyer or someone else told him 'bad idea' and they revoked offer. That sounds about right.

    I just think it is funny Braun is suggesting a triple sealed container with tamper proof sealing got broken into.

    It is far more likely someone put this stuff on Braun's food or in his drink, but hell, Braun just guaranteed his life it never got in his body so lets believe him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PickWinnerAllDay View Post
    Why would MLB be outraged if this was true?

    Answer: They wouldn't. They would be thrilled that their MVP wasn't a proven cheater and love the finding.
    Thats not true because if they dont act outraged then everyone that tested positive before will be filing lawsuits and questioning the chain of command and they would have more of a shit storm on their hands.

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    Sorry Hurls,

    Braun could have come out today and said that the test results were just false, not his, just wrong. He didn't say that. Instead, he said that he is innocent because the guy kept the sample for 44 hours instead of 24 hours.

    Sorry, that is Braun hanging himself. He is admitting he took steroids but that it doesn't count because the guy kept the sample too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PickWinnerAllDay View Post
    I read that Braun offered and then his lawyer or someone else told him 'bad idea' and they revoked offer. That sounds about right.

    I just think it is funny Braun is suggesting a triple sealed container with tamper proof sealing got broken into.

    It is far more likely someone put this stuff on Braun's food or in his drink, but hell, Braun just guaranteed his life it never got in his body so lets believe him.
    The thing that is really getting me is that Braun is saying that he is being "followed" and acting super paranoid. It is just the media following him not MLB IMO. If he really did take steroids on purpose it will come out, nothing stays hidden anymore, somre reporter will make it their life's work to get the evidence because they would become rich of the proof.

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