1. 02-11-09 11:55 AM #1
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    Ichiro Suziki HOF?

    only 8 seasons in MLB...but he should cross 2,000 hits this season

    over 200 hits EVERY season
    over 100 runs EVERY season
    all-star EVERY season
    gold glove EVERY Season
    led league in hits 5/8 years
    career batting avg .331 prob ranks him close to top10 alltime without looking it up

    MLB record 260+ hit season
    315 sb's

    ROY
    MVP

    top 10 arm all-time in RF


    I like his chances thus far....

    and like some negro leaguers that had shortened MLB careers due to playing in the negro leagues first...I'm sure his prior seasons will be taken into account
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  2. 02-11-09 12:02 PM #2
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    Japan: 1278 Hits
    USA: 1805 Hits

    Total: 3083 Hits
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  3. 02-11-09 12:07 PM #3
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    I say yes. He's damn close to being in just based on his MLB stats alone in my opinion. Combine his numbers from Japan, and there's no difference to me in putting him in the Hall for his total career as putting players like Satchel Paige and Jackie Robinson in.
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  4. 02-11-09 12:12 PM #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie Bee View Post
    I say yes. He's damn close to being in just based on his MLB stats alone in my opinion. Combine his numbers from Japan, and there's no difference to me in putting him in the Hall for his total career as putting players like Satchel Paige and Jackie Robinson in.
    Couldn't have said it better myself.
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  5. 02-11-09 12:39 PM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by daggerkobe View Post
    Japan: 1278 Hits
    USA: 1805 Hits

    Total: 3083 Hits

    where do you find his Japan stats?
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  6. 02-11-09 12:41 PM #6
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    I give him the thumbs up but if he can keep it up for maybe 2-3 more years its a lock.
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  7. 02-11-09 12:42 PM #7
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    I say he's still got to do more in MLB. Sorry but his numbers in Japan mean nothing to me. Well, maybe not nothing but next-to-nothing. Different inferior league.

    Ichiro is definitely on the right track. Just needs a few more good seasons IMO.

    Just stay off the roids guy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudcat View Post
    I say he's still got to do more in MLB. Sorry but his numbers in Japan mean nothing to me. Well, maybe not nothing but next-to-nothing. Different inferior league.

    Ichiro is definitely on the right track. Just needs a few more good seasons IMO.

    Just stay off the roids guy!

    well If he plays say 12 years... his stats will be close to hall worthy anyways.....

    but i'm saying heck even at 8 years... what more could he have done for the type of player he is??? his is the best at what he does....

    the writers will taken into consideration that he didn't start playing until he was almost 28.... and that he put up astronomical numbers in his short time playing...

    heck Ichiro already has double the amount of great years that Koufax had
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    where do you find his Japan stats?
    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...=.jsp&c_id=mlb
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  10. 02-11-09 02:01 PM #10
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    yes
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  11. 02-11-09 02:53 PM #11
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    hes easily a hall of famer, hes got plenty of time left in MLB, probably will get 3K MLB hits by the time his career is over
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fischnasty View Post
    hes easily a hall of famer, hes got plenty of time left in MLB, probably will get 3K MLB hits by the time his career is over

    word
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  13. 02-11-09 04:28 PM #13
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    he is a singles hitter, but then i guess so is gwynn.
    the problem with ichiro i guess, is that he doesnt get on base much more than any average leadoff hitter, maybe slightly better
    he doesnt hit doubles or many triples
    he doesnt drive in runs
    he just slaps the ball and outruns it
    i do like him and his arm but i would take a ton of leadoff men over him, furcal, ellsbury, damon, etc
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    Anyone remember this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanXL977 View Post
    he is a singles hitter, but then i guess so is gwynn.
    the problem with ichiro i guess, is that he doesnt get on base much more than any average leadoff hitter, maybe slightly better
    he doesnt hit doubles or many triples
    he doesnt drive in runs
    he just slaps the ball and outruns it
    i do like him and his arm but i would take a ton of leadoff men over him, furcal, ellsbury, damon, etc

    is he or isn't he a HOF? Sounds like a no to me according to your post.
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  16. 02-11-09 04:36 PM #16
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    i think that ichiro is the toughest one to assess out of all of them,

    1. he wont end up with 3k hits
    2. he played his best yrs in japan

    but i would say he is. i think it will be close. but if jim rice is, ichiro is
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  17. 02-11-09 05:02 PM #17
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    I would go with yes. Pretty damn good hitter, .377 OBP, and OPS+ is 117. Considering he plays very good defense at every OF position, and he steals bases, I think a couple more years of average production gets him in.
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  18. 02-12-09 05:12 AM #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanXL977 View Post
    the problem with ichiro i guess, is that he doesnt get on base much more than any average leadoff hitter, maybe slightly better
    Um, no. .377 career OBP.

    Quote Originally Posted by ryanXL977 View Post
    i do like him and his arm but i would take a ton of leadoff men over him, furcal, ellsbury, damon, etc
    Three guys you just mentioned sport .352, .346 and .355 career OBP respectively, yet your main criticism of Ichiro is he doesn't get on base enough for a leadoff hitter. Wow.
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  19. 02-12-09 05:30 AM #19
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    I can't think of anyone mentioned recently in these threads that I would vote against getting in. It's a museum. ****, put em in.
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  20. 02-12-09 07:41 AM #20
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    Five more decent seasons and yes, he will have to go in.
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  21. 02-12-09 08:46 AM #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotdiggity11 View Post
    Five more decent seasons and yes, he will have to go in.

    only needs 2...if that...
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  22. 02-12-09 08:52 AM #22
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    yup. what do you think about him pitching? seattle should throw him opening day at safeco just for kicks
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    lol,

    he'd have about a 97 mph heater

    just would be too flat....too short, not enough downward plane...
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  24. 02-12-09 11:15 PM #24
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    If he died tomorrow then he should get in.
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  25. 02-13-09 02:27 AM #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanXL977 View Post
    he is a singles hitter, but then i guess so is gwynn.
    the problem with ichiro i guess, is that he doesnt get on base much more than any average leadoff hitter, maybe slightly better
    he doesnt hit doubles or many triples
    he doesnt drive in runs
    he just slaps the ball and outruns it
    i do like him and his arm but i would take a ton of leadoff men over him, furcal, ellsbury, damon, etc
    WOW Ryan, you must be out of your mind if you put Furcal Ellsbury and Damon ahead of Ichiro!!! He is tied with one other guy as the only two players in the history of baseball to go 8 years in a row of 200 hits which he will break this year with his 9th. He is batting .331 for his career which is excellent, his on base pct is .377, he averages over 100 runs per season, 25 doubles per season, 8 triples per season and 10 home runs. He is an excellent right fielder with a monster arm and very fast. He also has about 60 rbi's per season which is pretty good for a lead off man. Johnny Damon per at bat is slightly ahead in doubles and home runs but only has a 289 career average and a lower OBP and he is behind Ichiro in every other category. Furcal's numbers are not even close to Ichiros and Ellsbury's numbers are lower in every single category in his first year last year. Ichiro can retire tomorrow and easily make the hall of fame! Not even a discussion and for anyone to doubt that does not know much about baseball.
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  26. 02-13-09 02:33 AM #26
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    4. Ichiro Suzuki, Mariners
    Sure, you'd like to see him walk more. But when a guy amasses 200 or more hits for six consecutive seasons and his on-base percentage averages out to .376, he's not spending a whole lot of time in the dugout.
    Ichiro also wins points for knowing what to do upon arrival. He's a smart, attentive (not to mention extremely fast) baserunner, and he'll turn those singles into doubles in a hurry. Last season he stole 45 bases in 47 attempts, for a success rate of 95.7 percent. According to Baseball Prospectus, that's the all-time high for a player with 40 steal attempts.

    This was from an expert ranking top leadoff hitters a couple years back and he is even better now!!
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    BCaldwell, ignore RyanXS, he's an idiot living in fantasy land a.k.a San Francisco.

    Yes, Ichiro will enter the Hall of Fame.
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  28. 02-13-09 02:48 AM #28
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    I was curious and googled top leadoff hitter ranking by some experts and Ichiro is always in the top 5 and usually #1 or #2 on everyone's list.
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    lol, I disagreed with him earlier in another thread when he said Louisville and Duke should not be in the top 10 and Louisville is a way better team than Duke!!
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    the guy that Ichiro is tied with for 8 consecutive 200 hit seasons is willie keeler.....


    he started his streak in 1894.... so I guess guys like Ichiro come around every 100+ years

    seriously..... guy has a lifetime avg of .331

    you hit over safely 3/10 times for a career and you are looking at a shot at the HOF depending on your other numbers..ect
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  31. 02-13-09 12:43 PM #31
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    I would put him in on the first ballot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fischnasty View Post
    hes easily a hall of famer, hes got plenty of time left in MLB, probably will get 3K MLB hits by the time his career is over
    Disagree. He relies on his speed. He's not getting to 3,000 MLB hits.

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    Haha, I completely forgot about Dibble. What happened to that guy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yisman View Post
    Disagree. He relies on his speed. He's not getting to 3,000 MLB hits.
    the guy is possibly the best athlete in MLB. never gets injured. shows no sign of slowing down. even in a bad season (last season) he breaks 200 hits. the guy can play MLB till hes 45 if he stays in the shape hes in. 3k hits easy.
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    Unless he's one of the "unnamed 103", Abso-freakin-tively.
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