this is easily one of the most moronic thread on here. It beyond JJ level stupid.
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09-08-11 06:10 AM #71
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09-08-11 06:59 AM #72
^
agreed
Mo has a much better WH/IP ratio, better earned run average, with 39 saves.
Paco seems to neglect to tell us Valerde has four losses this season so far.
May not be blown saves, but he does four losses, what happened there Paco?
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09-08-11 09:53 AM #73
Why do you guys keep saying this? They are not in 3rd place behind the white sox and indians without Valverde. He would have to be tied with the major league leader in blown saves AND the Tigers would have to lose all those blown saves just for the White Sox to pass them by 0.5 a game. That means no team in baseball would have more saves turned to losses by a single pitcher than the Tigers and yet they would only be a 0.5 game out. Replace him with a league average closer and they are still in first place by a handful of games.
Originally Posted by paco
Miggy Cabrera is the one who is getting those save chances for Valverde anyway. Without him, Valverde doesn't get the chance to go 42-42 in one of the more meaningless statistical categories in baseball. Miggy goes in there day after day and produces while Valverde sits on his ass for 95% of the season.
He's not MVP of his own team, he's not a top 3 MVP of his own team, and he is nowhere near the MVP of the league.
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09-08-11 10:57 AM #74
not top 3? verlander and miggy are great but who else is better?
jackson? maybee for the future
porcello or max?
peralta?
santiago?
he is more valuable than any of them....
please dont say wilson betimit
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09-08-11 11:00 AM #75
Verlander Originally Posted by biggamerife21
Miggy
V-Mart
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09-08-11 11:00 AM #76
Ding, ding, ding winnah Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
Exactly.
Miggy, V-Mart, Mags (when he's in the line up) etc. etc. etc. get the runs to set up the 7th inning leads, that afford Valverde the opportunity to get the ninth inning save.
Nobody is denying what Valverde has done this season is special, but when he drives in a pair with a bases loaded single like V-Mart or Miggy, or even goes out every fifth day and goes eight solid innings (to set up Valverde for a save, like Verlander does (who is also more valuable to the Tigers than Valverde) then we can start talking MVP for Valverde.
Valverde isn't even CY Young on his own team, that award would go to Verlander.
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09-08-11 12:04 PM #77
You forgetting V-Mart? The guy with the 4th highest BA in the league and 2nd highest BA with RISP. The guy who has helped cut Miggy's Intentional walks in half from a year ago and allowing him to hit more with RISP. Miggy's #1 in the league hitting with RISP btw. Originally Posted by biggamerife21
And the same V-Mart that helped transorm Valverde into the pitcher he has become this year...
On the first day of spring training this year, Martinez was assigned to catch closer Jose Valverde in his first workout in the bullpen, and Valverde -- who had almost uniformly thrown a four-seam fastball in past years -- mixed in a two-seam fastball, a pitch that usually veers inside against right-handed hitters.
When the session was over, Martinez told Valverde that the two-seamer had pretty good movement. "You ought to keep throwing that," he said. Valverde hadn't thought much of it; he'd always mixed a four-seam fastball and a splitter. But he followed Martinez's advice, and when the exhibition games began, he started throwing his two-seam fastball. What he liked about the pitch the most, he found, was that he could keep it down, out of the most dangerous parts of the strike zone.
"I almost never throw the four-seamer now," said Valverde. "All two-seamers."
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09-08-11 12:38 PM #78
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09-08-11 12:39 PM #79
but valverde is damn valuable to that team, maybee not mvp but he doesent get near the attention he deserves is rivera or papelbon was 42 for 42 they would be on espn more than farve or manning
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09-08-11 12:45 PM #80
even on mlb tonight they never give it the attention it derserves....
Harold Reynalds: valverde just got another save he's 42 for 42
sidekick: thats great now lets talk about the padras and giants game for 30 minutes and talk about the giants struggles at the plate...
harold reynalds: what jose has done is remarkable... (interupted)
sidekick: lets talk about the nl cy young for the next 3 hours and place bounties on the head of anyone who doesent vote for clayton kershaw because we are the most west coast biased network in the universe.
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10-06-11 10:42 PM #81
MAKE THAT 50/50 U DUMB TIGER HATERS!
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10-06-11 10:42 PM #82
dude is legit, give him some credit!!!!!!!!
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10-06-11 10:47 PM #83
wHERE ALL THE DETROIT HATERS?
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10-10-11 06:57 PM #84
guy is the luckiest fuk ever
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10-10-11 07:00 PM #85
top 15 all time what the fukk are you smoking? Originally Posted by Br0nxer
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10-11-11 10:15 PM #86
53/53 in the 2011 season!
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10-11-11 10:25 PM #87
if Mariano and Pap were 53/53, they would be sucking there dick day in and out on espn. Originally Posted by biggamerife21
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10-11-11 10:28 PM #88
Aint that the truth Originally Posted by paco
Go Tigers
Hopefully Young Rick can keep it under control tomorrow. Tigers should have no problems hitting Harrison
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10-12-11 09:32 PM #89
yeah but he sucks in non save situations!
especially tie games in extra innings in the ALCS.
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10-12-11 09:54 PM #90
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05-27-12 04:34 PM #91
guys fukkin shaky this year
walking a tightrope every game
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05-27-12 04:35 PM #92
PAPA GRANDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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