[lakerboy]

I like collmenter to shut the phils down and they sneak out a win. More on the Rl as backup.

[Kraghen]

good luck! I'll follow you!

[brahmabull117]

I like collmenter to shut the phils down and they sneak out a win. More on the Rl as backup.

the phillies have won the last 10 games that Roy Halladay has started in Philadelphia, Collmenter has awful road numbers and the Phillies offense has been red hot




do I even have to tell you that's a horrible play??

[kerrywoodwins20]

the phillies have won the last 10 games that Roy Halladay has started in Philadelphia, Collmenter has awful road numbers and the Phillies offense has been red hot do I even have to tell you that's a horrible play??

lol its baseball man. The worst team with the worst pitcher can beat the best team with the best pitcher and its really not even that shocking.

[Ice House]

Lakerboy if you are going to put real money on the D-Backs today just go donate it , don't give it to a sportsbook

[lakerboy]

the phillies have won the last 10 games that Roy Halladay has started in Philadelphia, Collmenter has awful road numbers and the Phillies offense has been red hot




do I even have to tell you that's a horrible play??

you again.

so a 32-27 road team is getting +220 and you think its a bad play? phillies as big faves at home is usually a recipe for disaster. didnt the phils just lose as -250 fave at home versus washington?

[brahmabull117]

you again. so a 32-27 road team is getting +220 and you think its a bad play? phillies as big faves at home is usually a recipe for disaster. didnt the phils just lose as -250 fave at home versus washington?

it's a fcking horrible play. Phils at home is a recipe for disaster??? They have won like 72% of their home games this year, betting against the Phillies is a recipe for disaster



and an even bigger recipe for disaster is betting against Roy Halladay. For god's sake, the Phils have won 16 out of Halladay's last 17 starts, why in the world do u think it's gonna change now??? Furthermore, Collmenter is 1-4 on the road this year with a 4+ Era while Halladay has great career numbers against the diamondbacks.



I mean, if you want to give your money away, just send it to my paypal e-mail address. There's no point for some offshore book to receive free money like that

[WvGambler]

We've seen the phillies destroy parlays at +200 odds all the time. I'm not playing it, but I'd rather be on the dbacks than the Phil's here.

[brahmabull117]

lol its baseball man. The worst team with the worst pitcher can beat the best team with the best pitcher and its really not even that shocking.

I could also go play the lottery today and win 100 million dollars




doesn't mean it's even remotely likely

[brahmabull117]

We've seen the phillies destroy parlays at +200 odds all the time. I'm not playing it, but I'd rather be on the dbacks than the Phil's here.

yea cause betting on Roy Halladay is a horrible decision



I mean the Phillies are only 20 - 4 when he starts, they have a red hot offense that's now the best in the league with Hunter Pence and one of the best bullpens in the league with Lidge returning from injury. So u got the best pitcher in the league, 3 fantastic relievers in Bastardo/Lidge/Madson and the best offense in the league. What's to like there???

[lakerboy]

I could also go play the lottery today and win 100 million dollars




doesn't mean it's even remotely likely

the dbacks have won 6 straight games. they have a better chance to win tonight than you have at the lottery. anyways you bet the way you like and i bet the way i like. good luck on your phils play and tigers and every other juice play you have tonight. one of them will go down for sure. hopefully its phils.

[brahmabull117]

the dbacks have won 6 straight games. they have a better chance to win tonight than you have at the lottery. anyways you bet the way you like and i bet the way i like. good lcuk on your phils play and tigers and every other juice play you have tonight. one of them will go down for sure. hopefully its phils.

yea because beating the mets and astros at home is the same thing as going on the road and beating the best team in the league starting the best pitcher in the league with the best offense. It's not like the diamondbacks have lost 7 straight games in Philadelphia or anything

[lakerboy]

yea cause betting on Roy Halladay is a horrible decision



I mean the Phillies are only 20 - 4 when he starts, they have a red hot offense that's now the best in the league with Hunter Pence and one of the best bullpens in the league with Lidge returning from injury. So u got the best pitcher in the league, 3 fantastic relievers in Bastardo/Lidge/Madson and the best offense in the league. What's to like there???

the phillies offense is not the best in the league. this is a team that has scored less runs than the new york mets.

[brahmabull117]

the phillies offense is not the best in the league. this is a team that has scored less runs than the new york mets.

yea because their offense was terrible before the hunter pence move


they have scored 5.1 runs per game since the all star break, far and away the best in the NL

[Smogs]

Your onto something here, never fade a winning streak and that's what the d'backs have right now so they are worth every cent of tht line

[brahmabull117]

Your onto something here, never fade a winning streak and that's what the d'backs have right now so they are worth every cent of tht line

diamodbacks 6 game winning streak at home against terrible opponents is more impressive to you than the phillies winning halladay's last 10 starts at home???

[Smogs]

diamodbacks 6 game winning streak at home against terrible opponents is more impressive to you than the phillies winning halladay's last 10 starts at home???

No, but laying -230 against an in form side is not wise over a baseball season is it?

[brahmabull117]

No, but laying -230 against an in form side is not wise over a baseball season is it?

the Phillies have won 16 of halladay's 17 starts. They have a hell of a lot better chance to win this game than that - 230 line would indicate



and to be honest, I'll lay - 230 all day when it's Roy Halladay starting with a red hot offense and a great bullpen supporting him at home

[kerrywoodwins20]

If Halladay can lose to the Cubs and Rodrigo Lopez, he can easily lose to anyone. Period.

[brahmabull117]

If Halladay can lose to the Cubs and Rodrigo Lopez, he can easily lose to anyone. Period.

his one loss in the last 4 months is more impressive to you than his 10 wins in that period???







I wouldn't bet against Roy Halladay if you gave me + 800 odds. My mind is just blown away by the amount of people willing to take + 200 against him. U guys can keep trying to be heros betting against the best team in the league and you can keep failing miserably

[HoulihansTX]

Just watchout for Collmenters splits vs lefties. When he faced Verlander, the lefty bats of Detroit were his downfall. Phillies can put about 6 lefites in the lineup, including switch hitters.

[vcj16]

[brahmabull117]

guys I'm really really not trying to be an azzhole in this thread



I'm just fighting hard cause I don't want you guys burning your money on an absolutely horrendous bet like this. Even if you don't like the philies in this game, just don't play it. The odds of diamondbacks winning this game is a hell of a lot less than 2-1



Trying to be a hero constantly betting against the best team in the league that's a positive $2023 on the season is just not a way to make any money

[kerrywoodwins20]

his one loss in the last 4 months is more impressive to you than his 10 wins in that period??? I wouldn't bet against Roy Halladay if you gave me + 800 odds. My mind is just blown away by the amount of people willing to take + 200 against him. U guys can keep trying to be heros betting against the best team in the league and you can keep failing miserably

You keep quoting his 16 of 17 streak. Yes, it is impressive, but it is also the past. The past doesn't guarantee future success.

He won LOTS of close games in that 16 of 17 streak, lots of 1 and 2 run games, and if you've ever played baseball or watched it, or bet on it, you'd know the difference between a 1 run win and a 1 run loss is usually 1 pitch. Lots of people don't like shelling out a -230 juice lined on something that will likely come down to one pitch, one at bat, one inning.

[brahmabull117]

You keep quoting his 16 of 17 streak. Yes, it is impressive, but it is also the past. The past doesn't guarantee future success. He won LOTS of close games in that 16 of 17 streak, lots of 1 and 2 run games, and if you've ever played baseball or watched it, or bet on it, you'd know the difference between a 1 run win and a 1 run loss is usually 1 pitch. Lots of people don't like shelling out a -230 juice lined on something that will likely come down to one pitch, one at bat, one inning.

1)even if it's a close game somehow going into the 7th inning and Collmenter contains the philly offense. Do u really have any faith that the Diamondbacks are gonna be able to win a bullpen battle against the 3 horses that the Phillies have??? (Madson, Bastardo and Lidge)


The phillies have 3 relievers with 2.15 era or lower. All halladay has to do is keep the game close heading into the 6th or 7th inning and the philies are gonna win this game 9 times out of 10 because they have a vastly superior offense to the diamondbacks and a vastly superior bullpen



2)Halladay's last 4 starts have all been victories by 2 runs or more



3)the mark of a good team is winning close games. Betting against Roy Halladay in Philadelphia is absolutely retarded, no matter how you slice it

[Smogs]

I do have to say, that despite the price on a surging d'backs team, i cannot bet them against a guy like halladay

[lakerboy]

Yah the phils are +2grand and 37 games over .500. The dbacks are a good team. They are a playoff team most likely getting +220. Its a no brainer for me and I have +1.5 as backup in case they don't win. Phils have had 2 days off. Bats could be sluggish.

[kerrywoodwins20]

Arizona's bullpen has the 4th highest save percentage in MLB... at 78%. So not really overly concerned with their bullpen IF I was on Arizona. I'm not... there isn't much value on either side. The line is about right... The Phils have about a 70-75% chance to win tonight and the line reflects that.

[brahmabull117]

I do have to say, that despite the price on a surging d'backs team, i cannot bet them against a guy like halladay

it's not just that. It's how good the Phillies offense is (the best in the NL since the all star break) and how awesome their big 3 headed monster in the bullpen is (Bastardo Lidge and Madson)



the phillies have won Halladay's every single non - decision because it's so damn difficult to beat the Phillies in a close game with that 3 headed monster at the end

[kerrywoodwins20]

The game also calls for 30% chance of isolated thunderstorms around game time... The Phils have the NL East locked up... if the game starts and then there is an hour delay for lightning storms, I can pretty much guarantee that they do not send Halladay back out there and risk hurting his arm.

That alone is reason enough to stay off that high juice.

[brahmabull117]

Arizona's bullpen has the 4th highest save percentage in MLB... at 78%. So not really overly concerned with their bullpen IF I was on Arizona. I'm not... there isn't much value on either side. The line is about right... The Phils have about a 70-75% chance to win tonight and the line reflects that.

the line is only about - 230. If you think Philly has a 75% chance of winning this game (and it's much much higher than that), you should be playing them

[kerrywoodwins20]

the line is only about - 230. If you think Philly has a 75% chance of winning this game (and it's much much higher than that), you should be playing them

I'd place it at 70%. But then again, I'm also considering the forecast for thunderstorms and I'm also considering that the Phillies will not risk any injuries to their ace when they are a 100% lock to make the playoffs.

[brahmabull117]

I'd place it at 70%. But then again, I'm also considering the forecast for thunderstorms and I'm also considering that the Phillies will not risk any injuries to their ace when they are a 100% lock to make the playoffs.

Roy Halladay's 8 - 1 at home this year, where the hell are you getting just a 70%???? try like 90%



and the Phillies aren't a lock or anything, they're only 8 games up on the Braves with 45 days of baseball to go. Teams have blown much bigger division leads in a much shorter time period, the Phillies will NOT let up until they have the division clinched

[Smogs]

it's not just that. It's how good the Phillies offense is (the best in the NL since the all star break) and how awesome their big 3 headed monster in the bullpen is (Bastardo Lidge and Madson)



the phillies have won Halladay's every single non - decision because it's so damn difficult to beat the Phillies in a close game with that 3 headed monster at the end

I'll agree on point 2 but the offence is only hitting around 2.50 - 2.60, some teams like the brewers are hitting better and more consistently - but i'm not detracting from that fact they no how to put runs on the board, especially on their recent 8-2 run coming into tonight

[brahmabull117]

Yah the phils are +2grand and 37 games over .500. The dbacks are a good team. They are a playoff team most likely getting +220. Its a no brainer for me and I have +1.5 as backup in case they don't win. Phils have had 2 days off. Bats could be sluggish.

Halladay is 3-0 his last 3 games against teams with winning records



there is NEVER a matchup to take against this man




I wouldn't take the 2011 NL All Star team against him