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Philadelphia -110 Tonight
The greatest team in baseball playing at home and they are just at -110. Is that a deal or what? Worley has a better ERA than Lincecum so they even seem to have an advantage in starting pitchers. Am I missing something or is Philadelphia just a great bet?
indisputable fact: until the end of this year, san fran is the best team in baseball that has been proven without question for everyone to see. worley has pitched is zero big games and lint cumstain is an underdog, that is when you bet him not at -200 like everyone does. good luck!
Worley's ERA is the deciding factor here
Who besides Howard hits Timmy?
Howard also did his damage against him in his rookie year.
No Polanco
http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/batvsp...5/tim-lincecum
The best bet tonight is probably no bet... Would like to lean giants, but philly at home coming off a loss is not something i would go against.. they haven't lost back to back games in 43 games dating back to early june
i really like the Phillies here....the Giants have no offense whatsoever and Timmy pitches in a pitcher friendly park against weak teams on regular basis. I am a huge Lincecum fan but I think he gets hit hard tonight
im definitely taking the phillies here. im thinking the offense will explode
Originally Posted by snapperman2
please tell me you dont believe this statement....
personally think this really tough, certainly do not give the sp edge to philly in this one!! but revenge gm so who knows if sf comes in looking to remind phi why they the champs or if phils dish out a little revenge? tough call but id either take the freak really cheap or leave it alone.....BOL
Lol @ Worley.
Only playoff teams he has pitched against this year have been ATL (only 1 inning pitched), Reds & Boston. He lost against the Reds, giving up 3 ER and only pitched 5 innings. He has never pitched past 8 innings this year, and only pitched 7 innings twice out of the twelve games he has pitched this year.
The risk here is, you do not know what you get out of Worley, but you pretty much know what you get out of Lincecum.
Im a phils fan but the giants are the play. Sucker bet
miyacuza, all i can say is you know philly dreaming they find a gm that is as crazy as op and thinks Worley is a world beater and gives them something good for him.
no one i talk to in philly believes this kid to be anything more than a solid 4th or 5th starter.
I like the Phillies in this one. Big, big offensive advantage for the Phillies. And a good situation for them, coming off a loss, at home, facing the team that ended their season last year, and with a good young pitcher on the mound wanting to show he can hang with Lincecum. Giants' bullpen is top notch, but probably won't get the chance to save this one for them.
Tim is CLEARLY heads and shoulders over Worley, but lately they've been pitching equally great. Against that weak Giants offense I'll take Philly at home as the slight favorite. I'm also putting a small amount on the over.
Vance Worley is a converted middle reliever, as a starter Phils get him more than five runs a game in support.
It's one thing to beat the Nationals when your offense gets 6 runs of a Gorzellany type starter, but what's he going to do when he's down 1-0 in the 6th to SF and the Freak tonight.
Different ball game when your offense can't get you five or six early runs.
Sabermetrics show Timmy has a value of 8 out 10 and Worley only a 4. I would take the Giants but gonna go with the Phillies as I think their offense can counter any runs Worley gives up.
Lincecum is the better pitcher, look at overall track record. SF is the play.
Timmy is the better pitcher but the Giants power ranking at #6 is pitcher dependent. The Phillies have the fire power to beat little Timmy.
3. Philadelphia: Last week – 3, WAR% – .606 (4), FAN% – .556 (3), TOTAL% – .587
Don’t look now, but Chase Utley is really starting to heat up. His 0.7 WAR last week was tied for fourth-best among position players, he has a 155 wRC+ in July, and his 142 wRC+ for the season would be his third-highest single-season total if he can maintain it.
6. San Francisco: Last week – 6, WAR% – .566 (8), FAN% – .519 (9), TOTAL% – .549
The Giants are one of just six teams — the A’s, Braves, Phillies, Mariners and White Sox being the others — that has a higher pitching WAR than position player WAR.
Last edited by LockPickMaster; 07-26-11 at 01:15 PM.
Two things have gone into factoring this line:
1) Lincecum has had a few "rock"ing chair starts, and
2) The bullpens-----------S.Fran's is better.
So-called "Home-Field" advantage is non-existent in this one.
BOL with whomever you go with.........personally, for me, it's a "gut-call."
G'luck!
Philly is going to be a bit of a letdown here... it will hurt the fans, who probably really want to smash the Giants good for NLCS. ATL is losing... Philly will have it in back of their minds that they are still good to go in the division if they lose to Timmy but get it back later in series
Lean SF - not playing it though, do not play the NL West teams. Lean to the under
Unreal, people think they can compare Vance Worley to Lincecum.
If you need stats to know that Lincecum is head over heels better than Worley, then please jump off a cliff. Do the world a favor.
Whether Giants win or not is a toss up. Nevertheless, Lincecum has years f experience, and Vance is a converted Reliever who the Phillies are dangling for trade bait.
Dear God, and comparing ERA's???? ERA and W/L records are not correlted stats. The are more irrelevant that helpful.
phillies beat up on tim early and win the game
anybody know what Timmy's velocity has been lately?
Philly looks like easy money here.... could it be a trap? Worley has been the best pitcher on the Phillies staff this year and the Giants couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat
under
Under does look nice here.... I know the Giants won't score more than 3 runs, now the only question is whether Timmy can pitch a good game against probably the toughest line-up he has seen all year in a hitters park this time... not a freezing cold , huge ball park with wind blowing in from the ocean
omg. You think the Phillies ranking at 3 is not pitcher dependent? Dear lord dude.
Offensive WAR phillies 13th at 15.1 and giants 20th at 11.7
like so many games on the board the first reaction is take the under but the total is set so low for a phillies game... surprised its not around 8.5
Phillies line-up strikes fear into the opposing teams pitchers.... there is not one player on the Giants that a pitcher thinks to himself I better not let this guy beat me.... I mean the #4 hitter last week vs Kershaw was Cody Ross of all people. Now i know he turned into a super star last year in the playoffs and got a big contract but this year he has settled back into hitting .258 with 7 dingers
Under looks too obvious and getting Lincecum at the price is rare but I would lay off
Good pitching shuts down decent hitting, plain and simple.
The starting pitcher is better than the opposing offense.
Timmy at around pick 'em is a bargain.
Don't overthink it, Lincecum is a lock at pick.
seems like everyone on here is on the Giants yet the Phillies are still favored
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