[dlunc3]

you are on crack

[underthe total]

alcohol is my d.o.c.

i have my own opinions i dont need espn to help me

[ahayes]

lincecum is ok !!!

[underthe total]

here is a better list for you pal

gonzalez
shields
hanson
lohse
harden
price

i take any of them over yours

[dlunc3]

and you are free to your opinion, as ridiculous as it may be. Guess you didnt watch lee or verlander this month

[underthe total]

every pitcher we have listed is an incredible pitcher, dont get this twisted

i said to start a franchise

not starting a franchise with
lee
sabatjhia
halliday

verlander maybe

get over it

halliday looking good right now

i have an opinion of a group of young eager players mesh and win. its been happening the last several years

oh my halliday just gave up a 500 ft homerun to batista. he is still the man tho

[pavyracer]

LOL at Tigers. They could have Verlander and Jurrjens as 1 & 2. Braves got him really cheap.

[underthe total]

yeah they traded him renteria

the braves know pitching

[dlunc3]

to start a franchise:

felix
timmy
cole
verlander
kershaw
johnson
price
lester
cahill
cain
strasburg???

then you can throw in the likes of Jurrjens

All listed are 27 or younger other then weaver and verlander (28) who are obvious choices

[dlunc3]

Jurrjens may move in the class of the others soon, but as of now, the others are much more proven or have shown more potential at younger ages to make it worth the risk of starting a franchise around.

[pavyracer]

You forgot Tommy Hanson and Brandon Beachy from that list.

[underthe total]

tim
price
strasburg


all arguable

i am going with my guy

hit the bricks pal

you dont agree

you could of saved plenty of time by saying you dont agree.

[underthe total]

i dont give a fuk about proven

hanson was on mine

[underthe total]

you dont start a franchise with players like sabathia, a rod, howard, halladay

those are players that get you over the top

sabathia is not a building block

[dlunc3]

tim
price
strasburg


all arguable

i am going with my guy

hit the bricks pal

you dont agree

you could of saved plenty of time by saying you dont agree.

no felix?

[dlunc3]

you dont start a franchise with players like sabathia, a rod, howard, halladay

those are players that get you over the top

sabathia is not a building block

agreed, you have no valid argument to for jurrjens above the list of 27 and younger that I just gave you

[underthe total]

absolutely he might be my other first pick

[lyon804]

he has been money, plus a very humble dude overall..

[underthe total]

you list of young pitcher is the point i was making. i picked ones off your list that i liked also, slept felix,

we are on same page

you just dont like jurjens being called great cause not proven and espn is not singing his name

[dlunc3]

did someone honestly just mention brandon beechy along with the list of all stars that we are talking about? The guy has thrown 13 games in his career. Might as well throw Vance Worley in the discussion

[underthe total]

yes he did mention beechy

and in case you have not noticed its the middle of the road and the unkown that are winners in baseball

ask the yankees

[dlunc3]

you list of young pitcher is the point i was making. i picked ones off your list that i liked also, slept felix,

we are on same page

you just dont like jurjens being called great cause not proven and espn is not singing his name

No, i dont care what espn says. To be listed as a top pitcher, you need to be counted on to go 8+ every 5 days like the likes of weaver doc lee and sabathia. I have not seen jurrjens be able to shoulder this type of load yet.

I have cahill high on my list as well, and i dont even know if espn knows his name.

[dlunc3]

yes he did mention beechy

and in case you have not noticed its the middle of the road and the unkown that are winners in baseball

ask the yankees

I will ask the yanks come playoffs... average pitchers dont win championships. Yanks group of average pitchers other then CC wont be able to matchup come playoff time. Regular season means nothing. Most on my list are proven big time pitchers when it matters in october.

[dlunc3]

yes he did mention beechy

and in case you have not noticed its the middle of the road and the unkown that are winners in baseball

ask the yankees

the guy has pitched 13 games and cant stay healthy. How can you put him even in the same sentence as felix and verlander

[underthe total]

how many years you want from the guy?


he has done it for 3 years

he is an 8 inning guy

[underthe total]

beechy has it

you are just trying to opose

i am not arguing with you

[dlunc3]

are you counting his 5 era last year in your thought process?

[dlunc3]

beechy has it

you are just trying to opose

i am not arguing with you

he might have potential sure, but might as well say bryce harper is better then joe mauer

[underthe total]

he might have potential sure, but might as well say bryce harper is better then joe mauer

re read this

then re read the fukin thread

know one has ever said anything about being better than another guy. that is not possible. that is why the hall of fame has a waiting period.

get a clue pal

[dlunc3]

which guy on my list has had a 5 era recently like jurrjens had just last year? yes he has been great in this three month span.. but dont go crowning the guy as gods gift to baseball without looking at more then just three months

[underthe total]

pal as i said in the thread earlier

he got hurt last year and tried to continue pitching

and his toher 2 years he hasd 14 wins and 10 wins

he got 0 support from his team

no one is talking about how good he is compared to others. or saying he is the best.

you are trying to argue over internet, i thnk they call it trolling

just back off.

i am not going to continue

[underthe total]

under the total with their #1 rule 5 draft pick will take

j.jurjens

now dlunc eat my fukin dick

[dlunc3]

haha your #1 pick would be the phills #4 in their rotation (possibly #5 when all healthy)

you chose your guy after 3 great months ill take my other 11 that are 28 and younger. I wish you were the braves gm.. they would be in the tank year after year

[dlunc3]

Gotta love these homers that think players on their team are immediate hall of famers. Learn how to open your eyes with unbiased opinion every once in a while--- will help you make money believe me. Tho i know doc is the best pitcher in baseball and the phills are the leagues best team right now, Im on toronto +1.5 today and looking good to cash it. Sometimes you need to open your eyes and realize your team and every player on it is not the best there is.

[underthe total]

thanks for the education

what would i do without you?

i like the gdamn pitcher i dont need to validate that with you

i changed my avatar from the hall of justice to the A becase of this same reason, i said earlier that the braves have the best piching staff top to bottom in MLB

it does not have anyting to do with neing a braves fan, i like them somewhat but alot of that has to do with i can go to a game, if i could go to games i would be at the red sox games everyday or the cubs.

you dont really have a clue who you are talking to, all that matters to people like you is that you look like you are on top of your game for everyone else

i am glad you know your baseball, good job