8/29/2008 01:23 AM
BetFirstClass (SBR rating D) turnkey host provider identified as
BetBones (SBR rating F) operator. The BetBones group scammed players under
different brands at the end of 2007. BetBones ran a
handicapper scam just before closing, stiffing hopeful victims as well as its employees. BetFirstClass.com owner states that he was unaware of the history of no-pay books on the platform. Previous scams also included F rated sportsbooks BetWGN,
SunsetSports, Atlantisbet and DunHillCasino.
11/15/2006 02:16 AM
SBGglobal (SBR rating D-) steals $25,000 from playerThe bettor was credited with a $7,500 "bailout" after
PlayersTime (SBR rating F) closed. A three time roll-over (wagering a total of $22,500) was required. The player wagered his funds for two months surpassing the rollover requirement and winning his balance, which then should have been his free and clear, up to $25,000.
SBG confiscated this money, again citing "sharp action" as a reason for deleting player balances. SBG also tells SBR that the player was able to wager $2,000 per parlay and should have been limited to $1,000 despite what the software allowed him to risk. This same operation also stiffed players whose accounts were purchased from
SunsetSports (SBR rating F), claiming the players violated rules by being sharp and having "inside info". The total amount reported stolen by SBG Global in the past year exceeds $80,000.
Player to SBG: The rules were that SBG posted I had to roll over the $7500.00 (3) times and that was it, so I did. Now I am having to deal with this again. I thought you guys were a good book in taking the account and honoring some of the funds owed to me. I log onto my account and I was not able to see any of my bets and or balance. I called up and I called 5 different times and got the same story “account is under review” and so forth. I finally get to speak to you Randall and your telling me I didn’t obey the rules on my account. Well at the time of the $7500.00 being credited to my account no one stated any limits and there were no limits on my account. I know with other books you are able to put certain limits on the account and a huge company like you having 3k more active customers are telling me you have no way to limit a customers limits on there account. Come on now that is not true where these small mom and pop shops do know how to do that. I kept up my end of things and roll it over more then 3 times as that is all WHAT WAS TOLD TO ME. I didn’t even ask for a cash-out and your telling me “I probably wont get nothing” now I have to deal with this again.
8/30/2006 05:48 PM
Mailbag Complaints:
WorldBet (SBR rating D-): Player’s winning wager on FIBA basketball cancelled after match due to erroneous
betting odds. Book not responding to player emails requesting the book pay at correct market odds.
DragonWager (SBR rating D-): Book moving toward F rating after two more players report no-pay cases. DragonWager continues to supply odd excuses such as a surge in chargebacks.
Bets4All (SBR rating F): Latest wave of no-pay complaints began last Tuesday. The sportsbook is using its usual excuse, stating it needs six weeks to verify legitimacy of credit card deposit. The
’verification process’ has lead to players waiting for months, years and some not being paid at all.
Sports-Gambling (SBR rating D-): New player reports confiscated $3,000 balance after transfer from
SunsetSports (SBR rating F-) account, for being "
too sharp". The
SBG Global (SBR rating D-) Group has confiscated over $33,000 in legitimate balances in past year.
7/31/2006 10:16 PM
SBR Bill Dozer reports: PlayWePay (SBR rating D+) not honoring ’BetCasinoSports bailout’ terms. The bettor received a free account balance as part of a bail-out package for
BetCasinoSports (SBR rating F) users and went on to win an additional $15,310.
PlayWePay has increased the rollover requirement and is limiting the amount the player will receive to $6,885. SBR has received multiple complaints from players with other sportsbooks who were offered "relief" after being a victim of a fallen book, only to see the ’rescuing’ sportsbook fail to pay.
Sports-Gambling (SBR rating D) received positive press for coming to the rescue of
SunsetSports (SBR rating F-) victims but later deleted winning accounts.
6/16/2006 04:35 PM
SBR Bill Dozer reports: Second player reports a balance of
$5,888 stolen from his
Sports-Gambling (SBR rating D-) account after his balance was transferred from
SunsetSports (SBR rating F-). The player says the book told him it "was not profitable" to service him.
6/16/2006 09:29 AM
SBR Bill Dozer reports: Sports-Gambling cheating winning players. Sports-Gambling (SBR rating D-) management confirms that it confiscated a player’s balance due to internal business problems that were unknown to the player. Last December the sportsbook agreed to book-to-book transfers with
SunsetSports (SBR rating F-), which was near collapse. Sports-Gambling General Manager, Randal, tells SBR that the deletion of the $7,000 was "
ownership’s decision" and that "
it was never real money", because Sunset didn’t fulfill its financial obligations to
Sports-Gambling. Sports-Gambling admits that it honored balances of transferred accounts they deemed to be profitable. The sportsbook has been downgraded twice in the last two months due to complaints of
unjustly debiting account balances.
5/30/2006 10:33 PM
SBR Bill Dozer reports: Sports-Gambling (SBR rating D) takes over player’s $7,000 SunsetSports account then deletes balance. When
SunsetSports folded, some account balances were transferred to Sports-Gambling. Sports-Gambling informed players it had "
bailed out" Sunset clients but players would be required to wager their funds five times before requesting a withdrawal. Sports-Gambling informed this player that he has lost his funds for the second time, stating that they will no longer honor his balance.
Player: "
I managed to speak to one customer service supervisor tonight. He said my acct balance is cleared because they didnt receive the funds from sunset sports after my acct was taken over by sports-gambling. I had a balance of $7000 at sunset sports. Sports-gambling said they took over and gave me the balance to play coz they had good faith in sunset sports would transfer the money to them. But after I played for 2 months, they didnt receive any money from sunset sports, therefor they cleared my acct balance. I am puzzled and I dont think they act in a proper way. They misleaded me to believe that my acct was taken over by them and was in safe hands and that I didnt chase sunset sports cautiously. Now a few months has gone, they told me I lost all the money!"
4/26/2006 12:38 PM
SBR Bill Dozer reports: SBR has learned that
SandalsWager(SBR rating F-) is functioning as a post-up sportsbook serviced by turnkey service provider, International Data Solutions (IDS). Vince, the owner of the sportsbook who previously worked for scam sites, BetWGN and
SunsetSports is using the Neteller merchant code sand4171 to accept deposits. Neteller and IDS have been notified of the
no-pay complaint.
4/24/2006 02:33 PM
SCAM ALERT: "Vince Taylor", a former employee for no-pay sportsbooks, HiltonSports(SBR rating D-),
SunsetSports(SBR rating F-), RoverSportsbook(SBR rating F-) and BetWGN(SBR rating F-), soliciting deposits. Vince used
SandalsWager.com, a per-head credit sportsbook website to book his players’ wagers and serve as an agent. A player complains that Vince posed as his account manager and broke off communication when he was ready to take his first payout on a $15,000 balance. SandalsWager’s only response to the matter was "
all inquiries should be addressed to the agent".
4/5/2006 06:18 PM
SBR Bill Dozer reports: Pump and Dump Scam Continues Within the last week the
ChangeABet scammers have taken their latest batch of sites,
RoverSportsbook(SBR rating F-),
SunsetSports(SBR rating F-) and
BetWGN(SBR rating F-), off-line. Bettors who want to contact the sportsbook can try the customer service line for the group’s latest sportsbook
Bet-Bank(SBR rating F-) as well as
1stLines(SBR rating F-) at 1-800-480-5127. Players who have had their funds transferred to one of these sites should attempt to redeem their balances immediately. SBR appreciates the efforts from its readers who have continuously helped to identify sites within this network. Bettors who had researched
SunsetSports,
RoverSportsbook and
BetWGN would not have had to look far for feedback and warnings from fellow gamblers.
4/1/2006 08:56 PM
SBR Bill Dozer reports: Latest version of
SunsetSports (SBR rating F-), which redirected to SunsetWager.com, off-line and phones disconnected. Three players report being owed over $9,000.
3/3/2006 04:09 PM
SBR Bill Dozer reports: RoverSportsbook(SBR rating F-) is a new book from the owners of scam operations such as
SunsetSports, BetWGN, BetCNN, BetChanger and Changeabet. RoverSportsbook banners go through former Changeabet owner Michael Franklyn’s advertising network, SGNCOM.net, and share the same IP address, 64.202.189.170, with
SunsetSports.
2/27/2006 01:57 AM
SBR Bill Dozer reports: New no-pay complaints coming from
SunsetSports(SBR rating F-) players. Bettors are reminded to avoid this book which recently collapsed and was later taken over by industry scam artists.
1/22/2006 10:31 AM
SBR Bill Dozer reports: SBR receives first report of theft from
BetWGN (SBR rating F-), which is run by former ownership of
ChangeABet (SBR rating F-) and the owners of
SunsetSports (SBR rating F-). The lead man now goes by Michael Franklyn and was previously using the name Peter Cole.
12/30/2005 03:53 PM
SunsetSports & BetDealers downgraded from F to F-
12/30/2005 02:19 PM
SCAM Alert: SunsetSports(SBR rating F-) and BetDealers(SBR rating F-) in the hands of scammers formerly behind stiff book, ChangeABet, and currently behind BetWGN. Frank, who sometimes goes by Michael Franklin or Frank Williams, is the lead conman. He has been opening and closing books, stealing from customers for years.
12/30/2005 12:58 PM
SBR Bill Dozer reports: BetDealers(SBR rating F) is new SCAM book from the failed
SunsetSports owners. BetDealers is offering 20% cash sign-up bonuses to join while claiming they are not affiliated with any other sportsbooks.
Thanks to SBRforum poster AK for information contributed.
12/25/2005 10:35 PM
SBR Bill Dozer reports: SunsetSports(SBR rating F) players left with more questions. Last week SBR confirmed with
Sports-Gambling(SBR rating D+) management that the book, which is part of SBGglobal Group, would be taking over all Sunset player accounts at the start of this week. SBR has since spoken with SBGglobal’s General Manager who said the deal is not finalized and all accounts may not be migrated to Sports-Gambling.
SunsetSports.com is now back online, claiming they are under a new company under different ownership. Sunset, which redirects to SunsetWager.com, tells SBR that customer accounts were divided according to "player packages" and some accounts will be moved to Sports-gambling. Sunset is telling account holders they must roll-over their balances 6 times before they can have access to their funds. Players are rightfully concerned that Sunset’s latest promises will not be fulfilled. It is more probable that this wagering requirement is the latest stall tactic for unmovable accounts than it is that a new owner chose to take over a no-pay sportsbook, service its frustrated bettors, and build the tainted brand.
12/21/2005 03:52 PM
SBR Bill Dozer reports: Sun sets on SunsetSports(SBR rating D+), Sports-Gambling to take over accounts. Sports-Gambling(SBR rating D+) management tells SBR that players will be able to access their accounts early next week. It is unknown at this time if this will be treated as a bailout situation where players will have to fulfill wagering requirements before being able to request a withdrawal. Sunset clients report their accounts were locked for weeks before the site came off-line.
4/11/2005 12:04 PM
SunsetSports and HiltonSports downgraded from C- to D+