[Hickeyc31]

I live in Canada now and have an account at William Hill. I am not at all familiar with how things are run in the UK but I am moving to Scotland in a few months and I am wondering if I am going to be able to simply walk into one of their shops in Glasgow and give them my account information and wager similar to if I was in Vegas?

Any feedback would be appreciated.

[Optional]

You won't even need to give them account information if you walk into a shop. Just hand over the cash and walk away with a ticket, like Vegas.

[Hickeyc31]

You won't even need to give them account information if you walk into a shop. Just hand over the cash and walk away with a ticket, like Vegas.

Well jeez, that's easy enough! Thanks for the reply.

[Dr. Fager]

You can also call in your wagers once identification info is established. No need to visit the shop to make a bet.

[dealer wins]

Any bet over about £250 will need to be called in and usually rejected or offered at less odds as UK books are a bunch of pussies.

[JayZ]

The average bet over the counter is only about £9 so large bets can stand out somewhat. The general PTL though varies a lot on the shop location; on an average kind of line you can lay to a few thousand liability if unknown.

Within a quarter of a mile of Glasgow Central railway station there are 10 Ladbrokes, 10 William Hills, 3 Paddy Powers, 2 Corals, and 2 Betfreds - and that is only the major companies. Plenty of opportunities ...

[VeggieDog]

What's the over/under on how long until the muzzie mayor of Londonistan tries to shut them down?

[Hickeyc31]

Thanks for the answers people. One other question: At these larger books (in my case, William Hill), do you typically get the same access to events as you would on the online sportsbook? For example, would you have access to weird props in the shop that WH sometimes has online?

[mg63]

Any bet over about £250 will need to be called in and usually rejected or offered at less odds as UK books are a bunch of pussies.

[JayZ]

Thanks for the answers people. One other question: At these larger books (in my case, William Hill), do you typically get the same access to events as you would on the online sportsbook? For example, would you have access to weird props in the shop that WH sometimes has online?

They should be able to get you anything that is online although they may have to ring up to check it up.

You will have to be used to fractional odds.

Most popular bets are on horses or soccer.

[shaunovery]

Thanks for the answers people. One other question: At these larger books (in my case, William Hill), do you typically get the same access to events as you would on the online sportsbook? For example, would you have access to weird props in the shop that WH sometimes has online?

Generally no ,

[techpeter]

most value bets have a PTL on them permission to lay about £100 on top footballs games or as low as £25 (the shop gets sent info on value bets on a staff computer) . they have different amount's on different sports for none value bets when you go over the set return amount they have to ring up for a odds maker for a PTL for your bet . so as you wait around for them to make a phone call they pick your face up on C.C.T.V under the data protection act they cannot use this but soon if you are a winner you will not be able to get any bet on in any shop. for one U.K large bookmaker i will not name they had my photo in all the shops in my area and no chance of getting any bet on

[JayZ]

Football coupon prices (especially on Premier League) are a special case in that Hills almost alone these days will maintain the printed odds against some fairly large changes in the market. These are though aimed at their regular small time punter not those chasing arbs.

[Alfa1234]

A few little questions about this as I'm planning a trip to the UK soon.

I heard most shops there have machines. Can you just place the bets at those machines as well instead of over the counter? What are their limits like? (can I put like 250GBP on a machine bet if I want to or are the machines limited to say 25GBP?)

Are the odds the same as online (roughly) for standard football matches or is the juice a lot higher? Same markets?

[shaunovery]

A few little questions about this as I'm planning a trip to the UK soon.

I heard most shops there have machines. Can you just place the bets at those machines as well instead of over the counter? What are their limits like? (can I put like 250GBP on a machine bet if I want to or are the machines limited to say 25GBP?)

Are the odds the same as online (roughly) for standard football matches or is the juice a lot higher? Same markets?

All the shops have machines called ssbt

You can have anything upto 300 quid on a game , some shops have more than 1 machine so you can have multiple wagers on different machines

All the betting shops have these machines and the odds come from Austria so the odds are pretty much the same everywhere , there are certain tricks you can do to get more money on , like only doing 50 quid at a time but placing the same bet many times

You can do parlays that can lay out upto 500k in my shop

[luctens]

An interesting development that started yesterday is that now Coral will lay to lose £500 on any horse to any customer in shop only after 11am.

This may pave the way or simply force other retail bookmakers to do the same thing, to also extend it to all sports and online bookmakers might have a go at it.

The head Coral horse racing trader on Twitter seems to completely rule it out that Coral would introduce any guarantee like this online as he seems to be scared of automated bots and the like but that is complete rubbish. In this day and age, a bookmaker has all the technology they could ever need at their disposal to deal with anything like this and it seems to be working perfectly fine online in Australia.

This has to be seen as a big development given that as recently as 2 years ago the bookmakers were denying that a problem even existed, campaigns have then followed protesting against this including the one in Australia that is developing and they seem pretty confident that the guarantee there will spread around all territories and all sports soon. These campaigns and bad publicity in the media etc have certainly had a significant effect.

I think that all it would take is for a bookmaker to go out on a limb a little more than Coral have done and introduce a guarantee of this sort online and include all sports rather than just horse racing and then other bookmakers would probably quickly follow.

[SBE]

I was on a 1 week trip in UK, some 2.5 half years ago, or so. To test "sharbing".

Limits were almost unusable (some 100-150 GBP ?). During that some 4-5 days I earned some money, but it did not

cover more than 20 % of the stay expences (in London).

For example, Manch. UTD was playing at home, odds some 1.32 at Will Hill. I wanted to wager some 2 or 3 000.

They picked up the phone (it has to be approved by a bookmaker) and coming back with an answer, 180 (or so)

maximum...At Betfair, it was LAYable 1.29 or 1.3, but the limit is damaging ...


Are you having any experiences, for example, how does it look like (as for sharbing) in Ireland ?

Or any other EU country, please ? Yes, I know, it is almost "dead" throu the whole world, but ... ?

Thanks.

[shaunovery]

An interesting development that started yesterday is that now Coral will lay to lose £500 on any horse to any customer in shop only after 11am.

This may pave the way or simply force other retail bookmakers to do the same thing, to also extend it to all sports and online bookmakers might have a go at it.

The head Coral horse racing trader on Twitter seems to completely rule it out that Coral would introduce any guarantee like this online as he seems to be scared of automated bots and the like but that is complete rubbish. In this day and age, a bookmaker has all the technology they could ever need at their disposal to deal with anything like this and it seems to be working perfectly fine online in Australia.

This has to be seen as a big development given that as recently as 2 years ago the bookmakers were denying that a problem even existed, campaigns have then followed protesting against this including the one in Australia that is developing and they seem pretty confident that the guarantee there will spread around all territories and all sports soon. These campaigns and bad publicity in the media etc have certainly had a significant effect.

I think that all it would take is for a bookmaker to go out on a limb a little more than Coral have done and introduce a guarantee of this sort online and include all sports rather than just horse racing and then other bookmakers would probably quickly follow.

Coral also have 2k and 5k races everyday , where they will lay any horse to lose that amount , there's generally about 5/6 races a day

[Alfa1234]

Thanks for the info.

So basically, the odds on the machines aren't the ones on the website (like Coral shops don't have the Coral odds on their machines?). Do you know which odds provider from Austria is used?

[shaunovery]

Thanks for the info.

So basically, the odds on the machines aren't the ones on the website (like Coral shops don't have the Coral odds on their machines?). Do you know which odds provider from Austria is used?

There not coral odds , don't know what Austria odds they use , they offer so many in play markets as well something similar to bet365 I would say

[luctens]

Coral also have 2k and 5k races everyday , where they will lay any horse to lose that amount , there's generally about 5/6 races a day

I'm aware of that, but that guarantee was only for about 5-6 races out of an average of 25-30 races a day. This is a guarantee for every single race every day so although the guaranteed amount is smaller, this development is much more significant on the road to a guaranteed online bet for all sports.

[Alfa1234]

Nice. Anyone know if and where you can see these odds online somewhere?

[JayZ]

Coral started their shop horse guarantee towards the end of 2014 when it was to £5000 liability on races shown live on Channel 4 after 9am. It has generated business for them and they seem happy with a cautious expansion of races, although no one else has followed. Extending it to very low grade mid week racing has taken some time and not surprising that the liability is low.

Ladbrokes has I understand put their own horse prices onto the machines in shop but I haven't looked at them myself. They are about the only firm that makes a big splash of their advertised prices at 9am for the guaranteed 15 minutes.

[Optional]

Ladbrokes has I understand put their own horse prices onto the machines in shop but I haven't looked at them myself. They are about the only firm that makes a big splash of their advertised prices at 9am for the guaranteed 15 minutes.

That sounds like a smart way to get some sharp intell for the book.

[Grivas_Digeni]

most value bets have a PTL on them permission to lay about £100 on top footballs games or as low as £25 (the shop gets sent info on value bets on a staff computer) . they have different amount's on different sports for none value bets when you go over the set return amount they have to ring up for a odds maker for a PTL for your bet . so as you wait around for them to make a phone call they pick your face up on C.C.T.V under the data protection act they cannot use this but soon if you are a winner you will not be able to get any bet on in any shop. for one U.K large bookmaker i will not name they had my photo in all the shops in my area and no chance of getting any bet on

Are we talking 100-300 euro wager size, or more like 1k+ per wager? How much did they allow you to win? 5 bets? 10 out of 12? Was it weeks or just mere days before you got shut down?

[adriatic_sea]

Hey guys, i know this is old topic but it's exactly what i need. Is situation anything different now with limits? I'd like to bet 2-3k pounds or euros at 1.8-2.5 odd,playing only football, champions league and SerieA/Primera/Premiership/Bundesliga.
Is it possible without spending whole day and betting 200€ in 15 shops?
Thanks in advance

[cashin81]

Glasgow is rough and poor. You will be limited quick and likely mugged and or stabbed by someone wanting a fix.

[adriatic_sea]

I was thinking about London and Dublin actually. Lived in Dublin for 6 months and survived few nice meeting with gypsies, so have experience with stuff like that.

[cashin81]

Responding to the thread topic, the OP is moving to glasgow for a while.

[adriatic_sea]

He wrote "UK" in title and most posts are related to UK, since Glasgow/Scotland is part of UK guess shops have same policy there and in London?

[DoctorStrong]

betting English Premier League is tough but if I ever go to England I want to go to a game. Have fun.

[cashin81]

He wrote "UK" in title and most posts are related to UK, since Glasgow/Scotland is part of UK guess shops have same policy there and in London?

The policies the same. But my point was that Glasgow is a shithole. If the average bet is £9 in uk shops, likely £6 in glasgow... Which will make it harder to place bigger bets and you will be flagged quicker and noticed by the deadbeats when entering/exiting the shop.

[semibluff]

Hey guys, i know this is old topic but it's exactly what i need. Is situation anything different now with limits? I'd like to bet 2-3k pounds or euros at 1.8-2.5 odd,playing only football, champions league and SerieA/Primera/Premiership/Bundesliga.
Is it possible without spending whole day and betting 200€ in 15 shops?
Thanks in advance

If you're a UK resident I would strongly advise having internet accounts with multiple books and going through all and any KYC regulations before trying to make bets of that size. Trying to bet £2K @ 6/4 on a Champions League or Premier League match in a shop would probably be a bit of a hassle. It shouldn't be. If you had wanted to make that sort of bet in any of the shops I ran 25 years ago we would have taken the bet without batting an eyelid. Shop managers were authorised to take bets for up to £5K liabilities without asking permission. Things have changed, and not for the better.
Assuming you're not a UK resident then it's a case of try it once and see what happens. A $2K bet on a Champions League game featuring a UK team or Premier League match bet ought to be accepted at displayed odds, (after seeking permission by phone). A German or Italian league game will raise eyebrows. Be aware that a shop taking a bet on a Tuesday night game might not have access to enough cash to pay you until Thursday afternoon.

It you do get knocked back in a shop then be aware that betting in £200 units is still high enough for a lot of the sheep working in shops to report the details to head office.

[adriatic_sea]

Hi, thanks for detailed explanation. I'm not UK resident, but looking for EU country because of free travel since I'm EU citizen.
I have account at all major UK bookies but heavily limited, so they are basically useless. Will try to split between 4-5 bookies and 2 shops each. Looks like there is no any EU country with decent offline bet shops.
Even in my shithole Croatia you can bet 200€ without problem, but taxes are killing any profit

[dealer wins]

Getting arbs in UK shops is long dead, they will reject them and profile you within ONE bet!