[EVfollower]

Working with Griffin. Simply put, don't speak to Tommy. Ask for Steven or Griffin and they'll give you the respect you deserve.

[EVfollower]

Working with Griffin. Simply put, don't speak to Tommy. Ask for Steven or Griffin and they'll give you the respect you deserve.

[EVfollower]

Working with Griffin. Simply put, don't speak to Tommy. Ask for Steven or Griffin and they'll give you the respect you deserve.

[slayer14]

it costa rican bookie what you expect

[leetreaper]

1vice

Why people don't use ONLY top and respectable bookies is beyond me...

[tradeout]

1vice

Why people don't use ONLY top and respectable bookies is beyond me...

Funny thing is the OP understands that this business model is unsustainable

''(8) Their bonuses are +EV which means the house DOESN'T have an edge in the long run. This means this unsustainable in the long run which means you might not get paid.)'',

and yet he dived in. Boggles my mind

[leetreaper]

Funny thing is the OP understands that this business model is unsustainable

''(8) Their bonuses are +EV which means the house DOESN'T have an edge in the long run. This means this unsustainable in the long run which means you might not get paid.)'',

and yet he dived in. Boggles my mind

I'm speechless...

[dirtdog52658]

Funny thing is the OP understands that this business model is unsustainable

''(8) Their bonuses are +EV which means the house DOESN'T have an edge in the long run. This means this unsustainable in the long run which means you might not get paid.)'',

and yet he dived in. Boggles my mind

Dived in at the right time. Book is not going to close before football deposits start coming in.

[JoeyBagels]

Funny thing is the OP understands that this business model is unsustainable

''(8) Their bonuses are +EV which means the house DOESN'T have an edge in the long run. This means this unsustainable in the long run which means you might not get paid.)'',

and yet he dived in. Boggles my mind

As long as they keep a stable of squares and limit/boot advantage players it's sustainable. BI biggest problem was they never booted winning players.

If I was 1vice I would boot this OP clown. No reason to keep a whiner around.

With no regulation all the so called "premiere bookmakers" are not so different than even a PPH shop. All books are good until they aren't - get used to it.

[Buffalo Nickle]

Why don't you give them a chance to straighten things out? Why post just because you had a problem with Tommy? Why don't you address that with Griffin? You don't know if you are getting slow paid or not.

So should we use 1Vice or not? Make up your mind.

[aortega521]

Why don't you give them a chance to straighten things out? Why post just because you had a problem with Tommy? Why don't you address that with Griffin? You don't know if you are getting slow paid or not.

So should we use 1Vice or not? Make up your mind.

BuffaloNickle I never know what side of the coin your on, no pun intended. Are you for or against 1vice. I'm sure you know I'm extremely happy with them. I do agree with you that it's best to adress things with griffin. I will also say that everyone I've had interaction with at 1vice is cool as hell. I stick to what works for me. Just what your thoughts buffalo.

[Buffalo Nickle]

BuffaloNickle I never know what side of the coin your on, no pun intended. Are you for or against 1vice. I'm sure you know I'm extremely happy with them. I do agree with you that it's best to adress things with griffin. I will also say that everyone I've had interaction with at 1vice is cool as hell. I stick to what works for me. Just what your thoughts buffalo.

I'm not on a side. I am ambivalent. I think they are an OK place for a certain type of person.

Just thought EVFollower was ridiculous in posting twice that he was sure that he was going to get paid and hit the panic button at the first sign of trouble when he knows you go to your bookie when you've got a problem.

[EVfollower]

People please just let this thread die...please. Its absolute BS that SBR won't allow this thread to be deleted. I did not get any free plays or anything jesus. Go fuk yourself SBR.

Please people, do not post anymore comments to this.

[Buffalo Nickle]

People please just let this thread die...please. Its absolute BS that SBR won't allow this thread to be deleted. I did not get any free plays or anything jesus. Go fuk yourself SBR.

Please people, do not post anymore comments to this.

All publicity is good publicity EVFollower. Just ask Griff. No reason for SBR to delete this thread because it is going to get 1Vice three more customers and that's a good thing for SBR.

[Kindred]

I was going to play there but I have more than 1 vice so probably not the book for me

[aortega521]

People please just let this thread die...please. Its absolute BS that SBR won't allow this thread to be deleted. I did not get any free plays or anything jesus. Go fuk yourself SBR.

Please people, do not post anymore comments to this.

Don't hit the panic button kiddo. BuffaloNickle and I usually agree to disagree and in this case I agree with him. If you have an issue with your book doesn't matter who it is work it. 1Vice is top quality on my book. Figure it out kid before you go acting so dang imature.

[kaliboyz]

Lol, I can't believe that people still playing at a donkey book and praised them to the max. Come-on, remember BetIsland's fiasco? Go and sign up either with Heritage or 5 dimes or Nitrogen. You're welcome!

[aortega521]

KaliboYz gtfo

[Bostonsux]

Griffin is cool dude who will take care of any problems. Known him since he was at ez.. But their betting limit is too low for me. I $200-$500 depositor and like to take my chance but $500 deposit, your limit will be max $650-$700.

[Smoke]

Griff is cool

[Smoke]

The product does work

[dark star]

Nitrogen?

[T4TRUTH]

Griffin is cool dude who will take care of any problems. Known him since he was at ez.. But their betting limit is too low for me. I $200-$500 depositor and like to take my chance but $500 deposit, your limit will be max $650-$700.

Maybe these are old limits or something?
I get the feeling from talking with many on here, there is a group that might have tried them once and have not checked in there for a while or something, because I have come across old information from a few posters about this outfit.

I contacted them yesterday to discuss my football betting limits. Granted I do make a little larger deposit and was replied to like this, copied from their chat.

ED

$500,$1k,$1,500,$2k or above per game , whats your betting style let us know, everyone has much higher limits during NFL season



That was the response when I asked about increase for NFL.


Hard to know what is truth and what is not, but I find some posters who claim all the knowledge, just either have not been around for a while, or really are fake and never bet $500 on a game in their life. lol.

[EVfollower]

Maybe these are old limits or something?
I get the feeling from talking with many on here, there is a group that might have tried them once and have not checked in there for a while or something, because I have come across old information from a few posters about this outfit.

I contacted them yesterday to discuss my football betting limits. Granted I do make a little larger deposit and was replied to like this, copied from their chat.

ED

$500,$1k,$1,500,$2k or above per game , whats your betting style let us know, everyone has much higher limits during NFL season



That was the response when I asked about increase for NFL.


Hard to know what is truth and what is not, but I find some posters who claim all the knowledge, just either have not been around for a while, or really are fake and never bet $500 on a game in their life. lol.

Most bettors are limited to $250-$500 max per game. Never heard of anyone with $1000 or above limit on anything before (been watching 1vice reviews for about a year now).

Per 1 month period, no one is able to withdraw more then $3000 (as stated in their rules and in live chat) so keep that in mind if you deposit a large 4 or 5 figure sum.

Their book offers really good live betting in the sportsbook itself. In the live betting section the odds aren't that great. But there was a tab in the sportsbook itself for MLB and WNBA live and MLB was really good - every half inning not too much juice and you could buy/sell runs too. So I imagine during football season the live betting is even better.

Personally I don't have any complaints except for Tommy. I dealt with Tony at 5dimes before after they messed up a withdrawal of mine (check bounced). I can honesty say that Tommy was worse then Tony at 5dimes.

My experiences with the others at 1vice: Ed was an okay guy, a straight shooter, always down to business but not in a bad way. Griffin and Steven were always great with handling customers and would make jokes with ya to help keep things light and fun. If either of them (griff or steven) came to the US I'd buy them a beer and shoot sports with em one night.

[Buffalo Nickle]

Maybe these are old limits or something?
I get the feeling from talking with many on here, there is a group that might have tried them once and have not checked in there for a while or something, because I have come across old information from a few posters about this outfit.

I contacted them yesterday to discuss my football betting limits. Granted I do make a little larger deposit and was replied to like this, copied from their chat.

ED

$500,$1k,$1,500,$2k or above per game , whats your betting style let us know, everyone has much higher limits during NFL season



That was the response when I asked about increase for NFL.


Hard to know what is truth and what is not, but I find some posters who claim all the knowledge, just either have not been around for a while, or really are fake and never bet $500 on a game in their life. lol.

Ed told me $250 on a $500 deposit and it would be reviewed afterward. I'm sure they would let you bet higher with NFL because it is an efficient market. If you overbet in NFL, you will be destroyed.

They aren't going to let you take shots at them and beat the bonus. They are going to make you bet through. If they think you are really a winner and are killing them, they will slam you down to $20. But so will GTBets, Bovada and BetPhoenix.

It's a cat and mouse game and you have to be willing to play it. It's not going to be an issue for most people. But for people that want to take shots, they probably aren't going to let you.

The whole strategy with these large bonuses is to get you to overbet to meet rollover but not bet so much that a good run will let you destroy them on the bonus.

[T4TRUTH]

I understand, and to be honest, I deposited $4k last football season, they asked me what my typical bet was, I said up to dime a game and , there it was. i took a check payout for 3k and then a few p2p even after that. recovered initial investment with about a 40% profit and was happy to go again.
Limits were smaller March Madness and halftimes were less, but it did not stop me.
I will play there again for football as an additional out with high value for money bonus.

I can understand any shop giving $250 limits on $300 deposit even. I would also imaging that $500 deposit or higher would put someone into the next bracket and then so on as the rep had said to me, what the limit was I looking for, $500, $1k, $1500, $2k.
So suggests to me some tiers.
I would never see a bonus book give $1k limits on $200 deposit, does not make sense.
And i know from being a local for many years, that locals will give you the highest limits they think you can afford, cause once you get that rope (credit) not much else to do but hang yourself. At least off shore in post up it is Cash , out of pocket Cash so strategy changes and bonuses are always worth it to me.
But if someone is looking for big limits and wants to blow their toes off, well have at it.
I play NFL for the season not for just one Sunday, so to me the bigger deposit the bigger bonus sits well with me for the entire Season.

[EVfollower]

I understand, and to be honest, I deposited $4k last football season, they asked me what my typical bet was, I said up to dime a game and , there it was. i took a check payout for 3k and then a few p2p even after that. recovered initial investment with about a 40% profit and was happy to go again.
Limits were smaller March Madness and halftimes were less, but it did not stop me.
I will play there again for football as an additional out with high value for money bonus.

I can understand any shop giving $250 limits on $300 deposit even. I would also imaging that $500 deposit or higher would put someone into the next bracket and then so on as the rep had said to me, what the limit was I looking for, $500, $1k, $1500, $2k.
So suggests to me some tiers.
I would never see a bonus book give $1k limits on $200 deposit, does not make sense.
And i know from being a local for many years, that locals will give you the highest limits they think you can afford, cause once you get that rope (credit) not much else to do but hang yourself. At least off shore in post up it is Cash , out of pocket Cash so strategy changes and bonuses are always worth it to me.
But if someone is looking for big limits and wants to blow their toes off, well have at it.
I play NFL for the season not for just one Sunday, so to me the bigger deposit the bigger bonus sits well with me for the entire Season.

Makes complete sense on the limit thing. I assume since you're a local that you took the bonus knowing that long term its +EV and simply covered bets you didn't want to take but did from your players by booking them thru 1vice?


As for me, I'm looking at HRWager to deposit 1k-2k to come football season as I don't believe 1vice is gonna let me back but I understand that decision completely. They offer a 200% bonus for 18x rollover but they only have $250 limit which isn't enough for me so IDK. Might just stick to Nitro. I bet $250-$500 generally (but usually in bitcoin) per game on Nitrogen / Bookmaker but have recently been trying bonus books as the bonuses are good for players who can control themselves and slowly complete rollovers without letting emotion get involved in their plays.

I successfully took Jetwin's 0.75 BTC match bonus on my 0.75 BTC deposit and turned it into 3.5 BTC after completing the 5x rollover.

[Buffalo Nickle]

Makes complete sense on the limit thing. I assume since you're a local that you took the bonus knowing that long term its +EV and simply covered bets you didn't want to take but did from your players by booking them thru 1vice?

How are the bonuses +EV? Unless you are a winning bettor or more likely get lucky, you will lose money on these bonuses and not just a little of your original deposit.

[T4TRUTH]

I saw 100% cash and 100% free play with an 18x I believe the 200% was 15x when i spoke with them yesterday will confirm that later today.
hr I have read many good and bad things and as I understood they are branch off or sapling of Griffin's outfit.
I did not go there because they had lower limits, than what vice would give me.
To each his own.
I have used this tool in the past by http://www.sportsbookreview.com/sportsbooks/ click the check boxes beside the books and press compare.

[EVfollower]

How are the bonuses +EV? Unless you are a winning bettor or more likely get lucky, you will lose money on these bonuses and not just a little of your original deposit.

$300 for 150% bonus with 12x rollover. Assume out of the 150% you are able to make 60% cash through parlays - thus 270. $570 starting.

House edge on dimeline in baseball is roughly 3%. 9000/570 = 15.8. 0.97^15.8 = 0.618.... 61.8% x $570 = $352.26 return on long term on a $300 investment.

$352.26/$300=17.45% ROI

+EV

This is all very hypothetical but still understandable from a math perspective. This does not configure in the costs associated such as sending and withdrawal fees. Very high variance though of course, but specific spots are profitable when it comes to these bonuses.

The best bonus I ever found was Jetwin's 100% 5x rollover CASH bonus. That one is easy. Their lines suck though so 6% house edge assumed... 2x starting balance so 2.00x(0.94^5)=1.4678x your investment, a 46% ROI.

[Buffalo Nickle]

$300 for 150% bonus with 12x rollover. Assume out of the 150% you are able to make 60% cash through parlays - thus 270. $570 starting.

House edge on dimeline in baseball is roughly 3%. 9000/570 = 15.8. 0.97^15.8 = 0.618.... 61.8% x $570 = $352.26 return on long term on a $300 investment.

$352.26/$300=17.45% ROI

+EV

Very high variance though of course, but specific spots are profitable when it comes to these bonuses. The best bonus I ever found was Jetwin's 100% 5x rollover CASH bonus. That one is easy. Their lines suck though so 6% house edge assumed... 2x starting balance so 2.00x(0.94^5)=1.4678x your investment.

Ahh, I don't deal with parlays or baseball so have not added that wrinkle to my brain. Interesting.

Definitely hitting the Jetwin bonus next.

[EVfollower]

Ahh, I don't deal with parlays or baseball so have not added that wrinkle to my brain. Interesting.

I only work with parlays when it comes to freeplays. Freeplays are better with parlays cause the initial amount is each time rolled into the next leg of each parlay whereas a free play straight only provides you the winning amount thus less return.
I always do 2 team parlays with freeplays generally -110 to +110 spots for both. Thus $1 free play will pay out $3 if it hits.

[Buffalo Nickle]

I only work with parlays when it comes to freeplays. Freeplays are better with parlays cause the initial amount is each time rolled into the next leg of each parlay whereas a free play straight only provides you the winning amount thus less return.
I always do 2 team parlays with freeplays generally -110 to +110 spots for both. Thus $1 free play will pay out $3 if it hits.

Yeah. I think I saw you have a CFA or working on one so you've got the math part down. I'm going to have to stick to just reducing my odds.

[T4TRUTH]

$300 for 150% bonus with 12x rollover. Assume out of the 150% you are able to make 60% cash through parlays - thus 270. $570 starting.


$352.26/$300=17.45% ROI

+EV

This is all very hypothetical but still understandable from a math perspective. This does not configure in the costs associated such as sending and withdrawal fees. Very high variance though of course, but specific spots are profitable when it comes to these bonuses.

The best bonus I ever found was Jetwin's 100% 5x rollover CASH bonus. That one is easy. Their lines suck though so 6% house edge assumed... 2x starting balance so 2.00x(0.94^5)=1.4678x your investment, a 46% ROI.

House edge on dimeline in baseball is roughly 3%. 9000/570 = 15.8. 0.97^15.8 = 0.618.... 61.8% x $570 = $352.26 return on long term on a $300 investment.

they are all great numbers, but mathematics cannot be equated using the word ASSUME.. this is gambling and assume is a bad way to put it.
the proper way to do the calculation is based off history.
So can you give any recent activity of yours to apply calculations and then see. that is where the TRUTH is. in the numbers yes, but not in assumed numbers.
I can do it like this.
deposit $3k bet limit $1k
take 200% thats would $9k total action available to me at 15x so total roll $135k action. @ $1k per.
so 9 is balance must achieve 135 bet is 1.
today I play 1 and win great on the road to positive numbers., today I bet 1 and lose not so great numbers, but not lost.
I make three lose in a row, I am screwed but because I did take the bonus I am still in the game and still able to make real numbers for the equation.
No bonus 3 lose in a row I am out.
So value long term is in the bonus without assume anything.
9 lose in a row, screwed, 9 win in a row I am big time on my way not only eating up rollover but also doubling my bank.
So this time of year, I want the biggest bonus possible that has some fair roll, and build the biggest bank ready for action and sit back and not worry to stress each play and do not need to play every day because I know it is long haul that is why I sent the big money to get the good value to go long haul.
Let me ask you this, would you take a road trip from Seattle to New Orleans for example would you go in the stingy beater and fill up at gas stations every 100 miles(represents re deposit) or would you spend the extra and get a nice comfortable rental 4x4 audi q7 or equivalent
so put the big money bigger TANK less re fuel (re deposits) making the long haul trip and all the while knowing you have some comfort and less dips into your pocket.
You are going to make the trip anyway, (we all are going to gamble this football season) So i like to do the trip in comfort, you like the re deposit.
I will track my numbers every week and re deposit if luck fails me, but I will maximize my firing potential every time.
Another example, should I run around every Sunday morning scrambling for a place to send $300 or should I just get it out of the way now? send $3k and know i am covered
You might want to look at numbers and every afternoon, what is the update. i will make my plays every week, review numbers Monday and Tuesday and do it all again the following week. in order for you to get to where I am you will have to make 10 trips to the store for the $300 re up. and only ever gotten 150% I got it all out of the way once, rest in bed Sunday morning watch a few games and relax.
So really we are both going on the same long haul journey, you are just doing it piece meal and to me that is where you fall down because you will not be playing dime per game and will be grinding out always on lower tier limit.
So same journey, statistics will be what they will be and only historical data will tell a true story. ASSUME well we all know that one..

I challenge you to 2K each . 500 per game with the bonus and see who lasts longest and who makes profit...

[Optional]

I don't believe 1vice is gonna let me back but I understand that decision completely.

They do have a well known habit for refusing service to people who start public forum threads with titles like "1Vice Awful Service and Will Slow Pay You".

Seen people complain about them refusing service for simply asking simple questions on a forum before joining.


Don't know why anyone wants to play with a book that so aggressively boots out any profitable player no matter how they bet. They may as well send you a big L to stick on your forehead with every new unsustainable ridiculous bait n switch bonus they tout.

Not that it matters how unsustainable their bonuses are. As we read here often, if you win at all you don't get them!