[5mike5]

you are joking, right?

im would hope so

[stefan084]

im would hope so

???? I guess I'm not understanding the joke. Anyway still down at this particular casino but I like roulette and they have a nice feature for tomorrow called "No Commission Friday" were they don't charge the usual 25% commission on red or green. Another promo for roulette they have is "20 Times Tuesday" were they pay you up to 20/1 on single numbers. And no I'm not a "shill" for this place I just think their operation seems to be on the up and up. I'll keep you guys posted

[captrobey]

???? I guess I'm not understanding the joke. Anyway still down at this particular casino but I like roulette and they have a nice feature for tomorrow called "No Commission Friday" were they don't charge the usual 25% commission on red or green. Another promo for roulette they have is "20 Times Tuesday" were they pay you up to 20/1 on single numbers. And no I'm not a "shill" for this place I just think their operation seems to be on the up and up. I'll keep you guys posted

Is this the same place that did Wacky Wednesdays where you would get a car if it landed on 37

[down-to-earth]

Wowee $100 tips no way unless its a shill and it really was not his cash or the guy was drunk off his ass.

Yeah, I'm serious...I'm telling you this guy about 2 weeks ago was playing the early payout game and kept winning and tipping the lady $100!!! He at least did it 10 times...

[down-to-earth]

The company is call VegasLive .. many sites use them. They had Early Payout BJ a few years ago and you could BANK some easy dough. 5Dimes took it away and now offer a much, MUCH lessened payout version. If you read the rules for Early Payout they do explain their specific rules for that game... it's not a scam. What it is, is a high HOUSE EDGE by breaking any kind of basic strategy you may try to use to even the odds. It's really a buyers beware situation but they do state it in their rules

Ok, thanks for the info...

[horja1]

???? I guess I'm not understanding the joke. Anyway still down at this particular casino but I like roulette and they have a nice feature for tomorrow called "No Commission Friday" were they don't charge the usual 25% commission on red or green. Another promo for roulette they have is "20 Times Tuesday" were they pay you up to 20/1 on single numbers. And no I'm not a "shill" for this place I just think their operation seems to be on the up and up. I'll keep you guys posted

I can not believe that a gambler would actually play at a casino that pays at blackjack 1/2 of what they should ... it is the same like betting on the match spread at 1.45 instead of 1.90

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I can not believe that a gambler would actually play at a casino that pays at blackjack 1/2 of what they should ... it is the same like betting on the match spread at 1.45 instead of 1.90

I thought the magic card switching button was pretty good, but that guy just tops off the thread for weirdness

[rolltideroll0]

Step #1 open up live chat ...Step #2 "I want to remove the casino" ... Step #3 ...thank me later. You guys will be burned in the live casino...it requires a lot of discipline and a huge bankroll. I've been able to profit from it.... but i am the exception...not the rule.

[stefan084]

update: I finally made a few hundred back but then lost it playing a game they have called "Guess the Number". It's a live dealer game where the dealer basically just stands there with both hands behind his back and tells you to pick a number between one and ten. I hit a lucky streak and got about 200 back then went on a really unlucky skid where I lost ten in a row. I thought maybe he was changing the number behind his back but they have another employee who stands behind him to watch, ensuring that he doesn't cheat. Gonna reload tonight--I'll keep everyone posted

[Optional]

update: I finally made a few hundred back but then lost it playing a game they have called "Guess the Number". It's a live dealer game where the dealer basically just stands there with both hands behind his back and tells you to pick a number between one and ten. I hit a lucky streak and got about 200 back then went on a really unlucky skid where I lost ten in a row. I thought maybe he was changing the number behind his back but they have another employee who stands behind him to watch, ensuring that he doesn't cheat. Gonna reload tonight--I'll keep everyone posted

This thread has to be a parody or something like that huh

[Bandito97]

update: I finally made a few hundred back but then lost it playing a game they have called "Guess the Number". It's a live dealer game where the dealer basically just stands there with both hands behind his back and tells you to pick a number between one and ten. I hit a lucky streak and got about 200 back then went on a really unlucky skid where I lost ten in a row. I thought maybe he was changing the number behind his back but they have another employee who stands behind him to watch, ensuring that he doesn't cheat. Gonna reload tonight--I'll keep everyone posted

You have got to be kidding with your posts. Of course they are very nice to you after losing $4000 to them in 2 days. Do you honestly believe they have one employee watching another to make sure they don't cheat?? You need to understand that ALL online casinos are designed, produced and used SPECIFICALLY, to take your money. Site sounds like a total scam. Do yourself a favor, don't reload there ever again.

[tb1984]

update: I finally made a few hundred back but then lost it playing a game they have called "Guess the Number". It's a live dealer game where the dealer basically just stands there with both hands behind his back and tells you to pick a number between one and ten. I hit a lucky streak and got about 200 back then went on a really unlucky skid where I lost ten in a row. I thought maybe he was changing the number behind his back but they have another employee who stands behind him to watch, ensuring that he doesn't cheat. Gonna reload tonight--I'll keep everyone posted

Thanks for the tip, pal. So, I signed up at the site www.massivevigcasino.net that you pointed out. I deposited $200, and found a great game called "Double Dip Blackjack". It's a regular Blackjack game, but when you hit a card and get bust, you can replace it and hit again. Unfortunately, I lost all of my money. I'll come back though.

[looneytunes]

update: I finally made a few hundred back but then lost it playing a game they have called "Guess the Number". It's a live dealer game where the dealer basically just stands there with both hands behind his back. I thought maybe he was changing the number behind his back but they have another employee who stands behind him to watch, ensuring that he doesn't cheat.

Unless they have someone standing behind the one who's standing behind the other one, I wouldn't trust it.

[bostonboss]

just saw someone hit 18against a dealer 4 and not a soft 18 either......

[captrobey]

update: I finally made a few hundred back but then lost it playing a game they have called "Guess the Number". It's a live dealer game where the dealer basically just stands there with both hands behind his back and tells you to pick a number between one and ten. I hit a lucky streak and got about 200 back then went on a really unlucky skid where I lost ten in a row. I thought maybe he was changing the number behind his back but they have another employee who stands behind him to watch, ensuring that he doesn't cheat. Gonna reload tonight--I'll keep everyone posted

I played that too and i am pretty sure it is rigged. The guy was hiding his hand behind him and i lost 4 n a row. Then i realized the guy was an amputee . Both arms. So they had to be cheating.

[rolltideroll0]

OK we've all seen that Vegas movie. I've made more money playing live blackjack than 95% of those posting in this thread. Look, if u know what they are wanting u to do...then u can win by doing the opposite. I've surrendered a 19 vs. a dealer 10... and then they got another face card = 20, It;s those kind of moves u got to do to win in this game

[ck7]

OK we've all seen that Vegas movie. I've made more money playing live blackjack than 95% of those posting in this thread. Look, if u know what they are wanting u to do...then u can win by doing the opposite. I've surrendered a 19 vs. a dealer 10... and then they got another face card = 20, It;s those kind of moves u got to do to win in this game

And how exactly are you supposed to "know what they want you to do"

[onemoregoal]

OK we've all seen that Vegas movie. I've made more money playing live blackjack than 95% of those posting in this thread. Look, if u know what they are wanting u to do...then u can win by doing the opposite. I've surrendered a 19 vs. a dealer 10... and then they got another face card = 20, It;s those kind of moves u got to do to win in this game

Are you on medication?

[bostonboss]

you have to hit 12-15 against a bust card...never double against a bust card...you have to mix your play up and become unpredictable.

[ck7]

you have to hit 12-15 against a bust card...never double against a bust card...you have to mix your play up and become unpredictable.

bahahahahaha

[down-to-earth]

you have to hit 12-15 against a bust card...never double against a bust card...you have to mix your play up and become unpredictable.

if the dealer had a 6 showing, would you really take a chance like that and hit your 12-15? You would lose more than you win by doing that...And 6 is the best card you want to see the dealer have...5 is the second best card you want to see the dealer have...Against those 2 cards the only thing you should be doing is doubling down on your 10's and 11's...And the only time you should even consider hitting against a bust card is when you have a 12 because there is only one card that can bust you out...

[bostonboss]

if they have a 6 80 percent of the time the under card is an ace/2/3/4/5

[captrobey]

if they have a 6 80 percent of the time the under card is an ace/2/3/4/5

I know exactly what you are saying. At some point if you are in the straight Virtual Casino and it is loss after loss you start to wonder" Hey-if i start playing like a drunk insane multi-personality escapee from a Mental Institution wearing a Moose outfit maybe i will start winning some hands. It does seem like when you do that it seems to work for a little bit . Like if the dealer has a 10 showing and i have a 3 i would normally hit. Or if the dealer has a 6 showing and i have a 5 showing i would normally hold. But if you do the opposite sometimes it does seem to work for a bit.

[bostonboss]

I know exactly what you are saying. At some point if you are in the straight Virtual Casino and it is loss after loss you start to wonder" Hey-if i start playing like a drunk insane multi-personality escapee from a Mental Institution wearing a Moose outfit maybe i will start winning some hands. It does seem like when you do that it seems to work for a little bit . Like if the dealer has a 10 showing and i have a 3 i would normally hit. Or if the dealer has a 6 showing and i have a 5 showing i would normally hold. But if you do the opposite sometimes it does seem to work for a bit.

you do that couple times..if it works you go back to playing by the book....

[ck7]

if the dealer had a 6 showing, would you really take a chance like that and hit your 12-15? You would lose more than you win by doing that...And 6 is the best card you want to see the dealer have...5 is the second best card you want to see the dealer have...Against those 2 cards the only thing you should be doing is doubling down on your 10's and 11's...And the only time you should even consider hitting against a bust card is when you have a 12 because there is only one card that can bust you out...

5 is actually better than 6.... that way if they got an Ace under they still gotta rip another one, and if 10, then another as opposed to being a soft 17

[down-to-earth]

you have to hit 12-15 against a bust card...never double against a bust card...you have to mix your play up and become unpredictable.

Are you saying that you wouldn't double your 11 against a dealer's 5 or 6 bust card? I would do that double all day long with no hesitation

[captrobey]

Are you saying that you wouldn't double your 11 against a dealer's 5 or 6 bust card? I would do that double all day long with no hesitation

I think he is saying that with online BJ almost every time you do that you end up with a 2,3,4 it seems WAY more then drawing a 10 card. Then the dealer gets a 4 or 5 anyways. Never fails online.

[bostonboss]

I think he is saying that with online BJ almost every time you do that you end up with a 2,3,4 it seems WAY more then drawing a 10 card. Then the dealer gets a 4 or 5 anyways. Never fails online.

exactly.

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Here's my theory about why online casino software feels like it is cheating you when it probably isnt.

For all the talk about random number generators being important, I doubt any of this online bj software relies on randomness to produce the desired payout percentage.

You all know regular slot machines can have different payout percentages selected from an operator menu. To manipulate this and still keep it random feeling and satisfy regulators it remains "random enough" is probably a tough job. I know Arisocrat has a whole floor of programmers for their casino quality machines.

Now imagine you are a coder who wants to make a programme he can sell for a few thousand. What's the easiest way to pay out the correct percentage accurately? My guess is to payout exactly the right number of wins for each pay table item over every 1 million game range. So your software is probably going to end up making simple win loss/decisions for each card it draws and randomly selecting a card from the appropriate category each time most of the time.

So if you follow what I am saying you will see that the poorest coded software is going to feel non-random and rigged even if it is paying out better than a casino quality game.

[Bdolan33]

Ive done statistical studies playing "watch" games for several hours. Hundreds of hands. The dealer wins about 80% of the time. The highest percentage one of the 3 sides had was 24%.

The dealer drew a 10 at a 4/1 rate compared to the players.

Would love to know HOW they pull off the rigging though

[Bandito97]

All rigged regardless if live or virtual. People will pop on here and tell you they win 9 out of 10 times they play. Others will say it seems like you lose alot because of the speed of it which is total BS. Fast or slow, when your balance reaches zero that means you lost alot. They are all designed specifically to take your money.

[tb1984]

All rigged regardless if live or virtual. People will pop on here and tell you they win 9 out of 10 times they play. Others will say it seems like you lose alot because of the speed of it which is total BS. Fast or slow, when your balance reaches zero that means you lost alot. They are all designed specifically to take your money.

Yep, all casino games are legally rigged. They don't need to do any extra cheating to chase gamblers away.

[jjgold]

Guys who wins in actual casinos??

Nobody so same difference

[Bandito97]

Guys who wins in actual casinos??

Nobody so same difference

That's not true at all. Actually the last time I went and played BJ at the actual casino I won $700. Time before that was about $400. Not breaking the bank but at least I cashed out. Sure I lose a couple of hundred at times as well. The difference is that online casinos are a guaranteed loss every time. When I play at an actual table, the results are a natural process. The real dealer does not get 6 20's and 2 BJ's in 10 hands. The real dealer does not convert a 16 into a 20 or 21 9 out of 10 times. The real dealer doesn't win 18 hands in a row and actually busts at times when taking cards. I realize you and others represent these online books here, but there is no defending them when it comes to their virtual casinos. It's a rigged scam and you sure as hell know it is.

[captrobey]

That's not true at all. Actually the last time I went and played BJ at the actual casino I won $700. Time before that was about $400. Not breaking the bank but at least I cashed out. Sure I lose a couple of hundred at times as well. The difference is that online casinos are a guaranteed loss every time. When I play at an actual table, the results are a natural process. The real dealer does not get 6 20's and 2 BJ's in 10 hands. The real dealer does not convert a 16 into a 20 or 21 9 out of 10 times. The real dealer doesn't win 18 hands in a row and actually busts at times when taking cards. I realize you and others represent these online books here, but there is no defending them when it comes to their virtual casinos. It's a rigged scam and you sure as hell know it is.

Exactly. Sure it is possible you may see that at a live casino . But you can also get that kind of a streak going. But online it never goes like that your way and the dealer gets them at an almost normal rate there is no way in hell that is random.