[Rangers901]

It's quite unfortunate you don't heed your own words, as you continue to bash a book you never played at & obviously have no knowledge of.

18th hole has tremendous value, as I will demonstrate once again chump:

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Before referring to anyone as a chump, why don't you even attempt to apply some logic to the situation. A new book using a PPH skin all of a sudden become popular to a few forum accounts, most of which were all made within the month 18th hole was created. They offer limits as high as pinnacle, ridiculously large bonuses, won't offer CC deposits, release opinionated lines, and allows arbors. This equals absolute disaster and simply represents low to 0 cash flow. This book will be running to the hills with people's money any day snow. All the threads started on the forums around the same time and have the same prospects pumping them up. Do you have any idea how long it took the most successful book on the planet (Pinnacle) to offer the limits they do?

You seem to always have private information on players accounts who have had problems. SBR has admitted they spoke with the owner of 18th, admitted he owed the player $7,000 he won from legitimate wagers, and didnt pay him and stopped answering SBR.

[ncat12]

Are we overlooking the fact that you guys are looking for 'high school' lines can you say Total Degenerate

[bobbywaves]

Hmmm...when was my SBR account created, yet I'm a shill? If you check previous 18th hole threads on SBR, you will notice I was skeptical of 18th as well. Until I realized the reward far outweighs the risk. For example, when the Cardinals win tonight I will have a little over 10k in my 18th hole account with about $2,000 rollover left b4 I can withdrawal. Even if 18th hole doesn't pay me which I don't believe since I've been paid promptly before, I'm already up approximately 16k in 2 months with 100% reloads, free plays, & arbitrages. So do the math, IF I don't get paid I'm still up 6k. But when I do get paid, I will continue to average 2k/week utilizing them. Referrals are a plus, but I really could care less. What drives me is educating people & proving the naysayers like yourself wrong.

[InsiderHer]

Are we overlooking the fact that you guys are looking for 'high school' lines can you say Total Degenerate

Hahaha, word ncat12! Anyone not betting credit at that shit looking sportsbook (lol) is out of their minds. Rangers gets it, but I don't see being on a PPH skin as a huge issue like BigBoyDan. Lots of books have gone that way. Many books not on a PPH skin scammed the pants off posters here at SBR. BI, Lazer Wager, BetRev, Bet911, BOS, WSEX, and Cascade to name a few. Infrastructure, betting options, live wagering, casino, horse action, banking, website, grading, limits, customer service, and management are way more important then simply pph or not pph.

[bobbywaves]

Rangers gets it

The only one who gets it is johnpendred & suman who made an educated decision to play at 18th with my recommendation. Instead of listening to all you clowns bashing the book without playing there.

[InsiderHer]

The only one who gets it is johnpendred & suman who made an educated decision to play at 18th with my recommendation. Instead of listening to all you clowns bashing the book without playing there.

bobby if you post up at this book you're either a shill, blind or someone who is totally naive about this business.

[bigboydan]

Hahaha, word ncat12! Anyone not betting credit at that shit looking sportsbook (lol) is out of their minds. Rangers gets it, but I don't see being on a PPH skin as a huge issue like BigBoyDan. Lots of books have gone that way. Many books not on a PPH skin scammed the pants off posters here at SBR. BI, Lazer Wager, BetRev, Bet911, BOS, WSEX, and Cascade to name a few. Infrastructure, betting options, live wagering, casino, horse action, banking, website, grading, limits, customer service, and management are way more important then simply pph or not pph.

Sir,

I don't play at Mr.George's establishment at all so I'm just giving my opinion based on my experiences over the years. If people choose to play at HRwager then who and I to stop them. Hell, all I know is that it always put me in a bad spot when a book goes belly up and I had to give people the bad news which is exactly why I always made sure the players got the most updated accurate info that was floating out there. Now theirs nobody here at SBR who can/will do that and it's upsetting don't you agree?

[suman]

I haven't put anythin in yet. But I only see 1 hs game on the board

[bobbywaves]

Because today is only Thursday, I'm surprised they have that high school game up so soon.

[bobbywaves]

bobby if you post up at this book you're either a shill, blind or someone who is totally naive about this business.

None of the above & quite the contrary, whoever doesn't post up at this book is totally clueless.

[Rangers901]

None of the above & quite the contrary, whoever doesn't post up at this book is totally clueless.

I mean, I want to just completely refrain frm posting in this thread, but this bobbywaves guy is too entertaining. Now, you've stooped to the point that you're calling everyone who doesn't post up, in what may be the sketchiest book to appear in quite some time, that they're "totally clueless". I'd call you a complete moronic fool with the intellectual capacity of a half retarded feline, but I wouldn't want to be giving you any compliments.

[looneytunes]

Sending someone to an unproven book inorder to collect a 50% referral bonus seems self serving. Books should be judged by there payouts and lines, not by a huge referral bonus that cause people to tout them whether they believe the book is worth a crap or not. Nothing wrong with people bringing up the fact this is a PPH skin with little or no history. Time will tell whether they are legit.

[Redondo]

I've read a number of payout reports on 18th hole of a receiving the MP of close to 1K in 3 hours. I's rather take much smaller bonuses at well established places that do checks and wires.

[johnpendred]

Sending someone to an unproven book inorder to collect a 50% referral bonus seems self serving. Books should be judged by there payouts and lines, not by a huge referral bonus that cause people to tout them whether they believe the book is worth a crap or not. Nothing wrong with people bringing up the fact this is a PPH skin with little or no history. Time will tell whether they are legit.

agreed lines are the best by far, no matter the sport. football -106 is all I am worried about.

[johnpendred]

I've read a number of payout reports on 18th hole of a receiving the MP of close to 1K in 3 hours. I's rather take much smaller bonuses at well established places that do checks and wires.

gotten multiple wires from them

[bobbywaves]

I mean, I want to just completely refrain frm posting in this thread, but this bobbywaves guy is too entertaining. Now, you've stooped to the point that you're calling everyone who doesn't post up, in what may be the sketchiest book to appear in quite some time, that they're "totally clueless". I'd call you a complete moronic fool with the intellectual capacity of a half retarded feline, but I wouldn't want to be giving you any compliments.

Enjoy your work day tomorrow....When you're smart enough to utilize what 18th offers to average 2k/week, then one has the luxury of being your own boss.

[Living The Dream]

Bobby, tell me this. How do you take withdrawals and what have been amounts you have withdrawn?

[Redondo]

gotten multiple wires from them

LOL @ "gotten" what do you sell crack for living? who speaks like that?

[bobbywaves]

I only had one same day free payout for $950 via MoneyPak, as I try to lose at 18th & win at my other outs. However my 18th hole balance is now 11k with about $400 left in rollover, so I'll be requesting a large payout soon. When your balance is under 10k, only options are $950 free weekly payouts via MoneyPak or P2P. When your balance is 10k+, there are more free weekly payout options available like: wire, checks, or $ orders. I don't like wires for over 10k for obvious reasons, so I'll go the checks or $ orders route.

[Redondo]

Good luck bobby hope you cash some serious cash out.

[bobbywaves]

Considering johnpendred's experiences with large payouts & the relationship with my agent, I'm confident payout will go smooth like the last one.

[InsiderHer]

gotten multiple wires from them

Sure you did johnpendred...sure you did

[Rangers901]

Enjoy your work day tomorrow....When you're smart enough to utilize what 18th offers to average 2k/week, then one has the luxury of being your own boss.

Why must people on the Internet make everything a dick measuring contest. I'm a university student and I own my own business, all at the young age of 23, since you resort to assuring your Internet acquaintances how "successful" you are.

A huge negative in regards to lying is you need to remember the previous lies you told in order to influence people, within this one thread you've already forgot one of your many lies. Please, just put this to rest.

[looneytunes]

The use of Moneypaks are only possible if a book is dealing with very low volume back and forth. Like Paypal, it would get detected very quick if they were moving much. Obviously very small shop, with little history. The 50% referral bonus definately makes any positive things that are said suspect. Would never keep much there.

[bobbywaves]

Why must people on the Internet make everything a dick measuring contest. I'm a university student and I own my own business, all at the young age of 23, since you resort to assuring your Internet acquaintances how "successful" you are.

A huge negative in regards to lying is you need to remember the previous lies you told in order to influence people, within this one thread you've already forgot one of your many lies. Please, just put this to rest.

Luckily it's not a dick measuring contest, as you would come up well short again. Fact of the matter is I haven't lied once, as there's no need to. I didn't start this thread looking for referrals, I could care less who plays there. Just stating my positive experiences from this book & trying to educate people to think outside the box. This naïve thinking that if a book is not rated on SBR book it must suck, is ludicrous at best. I can talk, as I play at this book. What right do you have to talk without playing there & seeing for yourself? If 18th ever stiffs me, I have no problem bashing them & admitting I was wrong. But that hasn't happened & don't anticipate it happening. However if it does happen, I would still be up thousands from utilizing them. That's why I measure risk/reward before playing with any book. The reward at 18th far outweighs any risk, as I've demonstrated numerous times already. But I don't expect narrow minded people & rec players like yourself to grasp the concept, as this book caters to professionals.

[Rangers901]

You keep dodging the facts people are throwing your way. You keep preaching how you're a "professional" player and this book caters to professional players. First, the most square, recreational player could tell you the structure of this book is GUARANTEED to fail, it's not a matter of if, but when. Second, not one, I repeat, not one book that caters to professional players has ever sent out emails with 100% cash and 100% FP bonuses 4 times a week. How do I know this? Because I was curious about everything regarding this book so I created an account with one of my email addresses specifically for wagering. I get minimum an email every 3 days offering massive bonuses. Stop trying to act like you possess even a morsel of intelligence, when you have absolutely 0 ability to apply logic to situations.

[johnpendred]

you guys are nuts. rangers you are just funny man. the new hankwins. but if you like the book, which I do, I continue to play there. if u don't trust it then don't play there that simple. they have paid me a lot and im happy for various reasons. ive won more there then I did at 5dimes and they haven't touched my limits, so all good. 5d cut me down to near nothing. but for people to be arguing is just comical. if you like it play there, if you don't like it don't play there. that simple. but anytime there is a post about 18th rangers responds within an hour or two, just seems very weird and once again, comical. but hey to each their own. your up rangers.... 5.4.3.2.1........................

[bobbywaves]

I dodge nothing & have addressed everything. You on the other hand, haven't addressed the fact that you don't play at this book. Therefore you lack the first hand knowledge that I possess. You say this structure is guaranteed to fail, you can't guarantee anything besides death & taxes. What I've said before but you fail to grasp is I've made my $ already, IF 18th stiffs me next week for my 11k balance I'm still up thousands. But when they pay me, I'll continue to use them & earn big $. When this party is over, it's over. What don't you comprehend about that & risk/reward? It only takes a month or so to make enough $ using this book, so in the event a stiff happens you're still up $. You're 23? You have the intelligence level of a 6 yr old.

[Rangers901]

I appreciate giving me the floor, John. I'm a person with morals, emotions, etc. I have had friends lost money to scam shops, and I've seen it happen a million times online. There aren't many more things which irritate and piss me off more than watching an innocent person get scammed/ripped off. People who do this are scum of the earth. What hidden agenda would I have for bashing small time books that have no financial backing that could shut down with your money any day, yet pumping up reputable shops such as The Greek, Pinnacle, Bookmaker, etc. My question, is why do you and bobby feel the need to defend the shop so quickly. If you had no hidden agenda or affiliation to this book in any way, you wouldn't get so emotional and quick to defend when they're bashed. Just think about that, it's actually quite obvious. The only need to defend this random book that no one plays at regardless, unless there's some sort of affiliation. It's common sense, but I understand, common sense isn't so common anymore.

[bobbywaves]

I'm like Worm from Rounders, I find an easy mark & I take it down. Just like BetIslands. Sure, BI stole $633 from me. Do I give a flying fuk? No, because I had taken BI for 17k prior to their theft. Will 18th hole turn out to be another BetIslands? Maybe, maybe not. Would I give a flying fuk? No, because if 18th stiffs one day I'm already thousands in the black which will only continue to grow while in operation. Perhaps Pendred is correct, I'm "nuts" for trying to educate idiots who can't comprehend risk/reward.

[johnpendred]

I didn't get emotional? bottom line is people whether online or in real life make their own decisions, good or bad. you have never played there or gotten stiffed my them. ive played there and won and will say they are a good shop. am I getting emotional? don't think so? I do apologize if I offended u in anyway, as I don't pretend to be an internet tough guy.

[InsiderHer]

"They are not even a real book just a pph site ran by bethorizon"

Bobby waves making the rounds "You need to accept friend request before I can send you PM."

TheRX, "Jon Kreta is involved here? I think so."

Meanwhile over at EOG our SBR poster johnpenread says, "As mentioned, Johnpennred or something like that has a love affair with them..stating they are better than 5D"

"My favorite quote, must be a good book

all these new forum guys with less than 20 posts on any forum are getting paid i guess"

[bobbywaves]

Bobby waves making the rounds "You need to accept friend request before I can send you PM." all these new forum guys with less than 20 posts on any forum are getting paid i guess"

What's your point chump? Many people with a clue seek me out for an 18th referral. You can easily see my join date & amount of posts credentials. I've been here way longer than you & have more knowledge about the industry than most, especially you.

[Living The Dream]

Why would anyone seek out someone to refer them to 18th hole??

[johnpendred]