[BigWoolyMammoth]

I called YouWager because I was looking for a fastpayout company on here and osga and that was listed as a quick one.
I called youwager and told them I wanted to play somewhere I can play and cash out fast. they said if i send them $200 or more i can get a 40% bonus with a 4.5 rollover. I will also get my fees paid for and added to my account.
I deposited $500. my rep andrew said that i should use the bonus money if i lose the 500. good idea. i expressed the importance of wanting to get my money fast if i win. they said no problem just rollover 4.5 or dont use it. they also promised me some bullshit entry into 2 poker tournaments thursday nights at 9pm. i thought that was cool.
I sent the money and then the lies came. They said I have to leave money in account for 30 days before a cash out and 7 days if i bet the $12 ** fee. I WENT OFF ON THEM. I yelled so much that they closed my account, will not give me my funds and took my poker entry away. i told them to send me my money back. they refused. I have been trying to get my money back ever since. they said i have to leave it in and play with it. THAT IS JUST DISGUSTING. My fault for playing with such low rent assholes. how can someone lie in today's economy when someone is sending you hard earned money. how do they expect you to comeback and play? So my $512, plus 2 entry fees were a big scam.
I contacted ** so they can begin the process of getting my funds back. I have to file a police report which is going to happen in the morning.

[BigWoolyMammoth]

by the way, they promised me next day payouts.
why if there are 30 day waiting periods? makes zero sense! I can see a rollover on a bonus for sure, but come on!
you cant even give me my $12 fee without a 7 day waiting period, but you tell me if i send 200 or more you will pay my fees? why would anyone wait 7 days over a $12 fee? just crazy. just wanted to make that clear.

[frostno98]

by the way, they promised me next day payouts.
why if there are 30 day waiting periods? makes zero sense! I can see a rollover on a bonus for sure, but come on!
you cant even give me my $12 fee without a 7 day waiting period, but you tell me if i send 200 or more you will pay my fees? why would anyone wait 7 days over a $12 fee? just crazy. just wanted to make that clear.

If you re-read their policy, the 30 holding period is only on your original $500 dollar deposit since you accepted the bonus. If you make $1,000 or $2,000 within 30 days, you can only cashout your winnings which would be $500 or $1,500 in profit. Once 30 days has passed, then you can clear out your entire balance.

This books is far from a scam, played their for two years, and they do pay promptly.

[big joe 1212]

that scumbag Andrew did a similar thing to me!

he's a fukin liar!

he told me he'd reimburse me CC fees, which he didn't and also lied about the time frame like he did to you!

fuk them koksuckers!

[durito]

lol

good luck with your police report

[mmike032]

police report
really....

[tltaylor89]

Big wooly donate those 12 betpoints to me.What you should do is file a complaint with sbr and they will get you're account back open

[BigWoolyMammoth]

the police report is mandatory. I know its not going to do crap for me. but ** needs it to release info from the phillapeans investigation and results.
thanks for all of your comments.
frostno98 you do not know what you were talking about and you were not on the phone when I called from my car. I was not on the website READING anything. I was in the car at the time. that is why I called to get their exact rules. I asked andrew a ton of times if their was any catch and he kept saying no. I wish I had the audio tape for you all to hear. But I know that youwager doesnt have the balls to stand by their scam and show everyone. Their main person is Brian and nate and they handled this like the garbage their book is. do not bet with them.

[mtneer1212]

police report
really....

Yes officer, I was trying to fund my offshore sportsbetting account but that bastard defrauded me by not allowing me to withdrawal my winnings because I used a few louzy dollars of my bonus. I'd like to file a police report for him ripping me off. By the way, he is located in Central America. No sir, not central America like Iowa, but Central America, like Costa Rica. Can you interview the suspect in person, or would you like his phone number? Oh and yes I was using ** for gambling, so no problem there.

Please let me know the results of your investigation as soon as it is completed. I'd also like a mugshot of the guy after you arrest him, and extradite him back to the states.

Thanks in advance,
BigWoolyMammoth

[Mybologne]

BigWoolyMammoth don't bother with a police report. They won't help you. just be lucky youwager still admits they have your money... just play it and if you win more then what you have deposited then you can cash that out. or just go all in and be done with them......

[BigWoolyMammoth]

Yes officer, I was trying to fund my offshore sportsbetting account but that bastard defrauded me by not allowing me to withdrawal my winnings because I used a few louzy dollars of my bonus. I'd like to file a police report for him ripping me off. By the way, he is located in Central America. No sir, not central America like Iowa, but Central America, like Costa Rica. Can you interview the suspect in person, or would you like his phone number? Oh and yes I was using ** for gambling, so no problem there.

Please let me know the results of your investigation as soon as it is completed. I'd also like a mugshot of the guy after you arrest him, and extradite him back to the states.

Thanks in advance,
BigWoolyMammoth

nah, thats not what happens at all. the police department knows that I was ripped on an internet scam. thats all. no need to over think it. I have done it before when ripped off and my money was returned to me 6 weeks later. Its easy, anyone can do it! if you need to know how, please email me! do not be ripped off by these scumbags. sending ** IS safe.

[Mybologne]

FYI... ** can't do anything once money has been picked up... that's why scammers use them...

GL...........

[trixtrix]

smart, file a police report and get their ** banned, that'll get them to listen and payout faster..

[BigWoolyMammoth]

exactly right. ** contacts their pickup location in the phillapeans and handles it. This makes it very difficult for that pickup location to want to work with that book. Nobody wants to work with a theif.

[kmarinouofm]

dude my two cents is that you are wrong.. I have used YouWager in the past and a few other books.. and when i was in College the only book i used was YouWager...

You took a bonus and you accepted fee's any book here would probably make you wait 30 days.. if not 15 before you can ask for your funds..

Getting the police involved in this is just poor form.. You aren't going to find any support from us on this Forum for your actions...

ALL BOOKS have rules for bonuses.. if you don't know this.. then you HAVE NOT been gambling online for more then a month... Anyone here who is sharp and wants their money in and out of any book quickly , refuses any type of promotion , freeplay, poker entry, whatever bullshit they want to throw at you.. If you except it.. then you have opened a can of worms... even after your rollover.. some books have in their rules that they can confiscate the rollover funds and winnings if it is determined that you are bonus abusing.. There are several stories of even the mighty THE GREEK sportsbook doing this to members of SBR...

If you ever take a bonus the first thing you should do is use it.. not wait till you are out of real money... use the bonus money first.. either loose it.. or start rolling it over from day one...

If you were to withdraw all your funds now.. all you would have is your bonus $$$ .. you think any book wants you to take out all your real money and just leave them with your bonus money?? Now you can just go back to your account and take free shots at the book!!

just my two cents man.. but youwager is a good outfit in my opinion ... if you want to be as liquid as possible in your sport book accounts... JUST SAY NO TO BONUS!!!!

[kmarinouofm]

also here at SBR we have our own police... you should have contacted justin7 to deal with this situation on your behalf , instead of bringing the law into an already gray area.. he would have contacted youwager on your behalf and dealt with it for you.. (one time for JUSTIN7 people!!)

what worries me is that you seem to know a lot about making police reports and getting money back from books and **... I am guessing this is probably something you have done before???

[alton618]

[BigWoolyMammoth]

I never wanted the bonus at all but andrew (the account manager they assigned to me) said to take the bonus since I want to cash out quickly, only use the bonus if i lose the 500. He never said there was a 30 day waiting period, he just insisted it was 4.5 rollover. why would I think there was a 30 day. never heard that before. then he said he would cover the fees if i sent 200 or more. I sent 500. He put the $12 in the account so i had 512 and 200 in my bonus. I bet with the 512 on the phillies and called to ask them about using the bonus for my 4.5 rollover. I was thinking of using it on other games and hitting the 4.5 times. Thats when the guy said NO you can not cash out for 7 days minimum cause I used the $12 fee money. (i thought it was a joke). he then said yes if i use the 200 it is a 30 day waiting period.
my question to them was, if i have an account manager, he should be an advice giver, a ball of knowledge about the book, not a cocksucking theif that will lie to get you to send your money. Andrew knew the importance of getting paid quickly and he never mentioned a waiting period once. I went over this with him more then 5 times. ask them for the tapes. how do you file a complaint with justin? I couldnt find the form. have not looked real hard.
This books is garbage. Why would you lie to someone just to get their $500. So I do not have any of my money back. They closed my account and stole the funds. I had 3 entries into poker tournaments as well that I missed. Thanks for taking the books side, thats cool of you.
As for the police report, thats the books fault. you shouldnt steal from people and expect them not to report stuff. The police will not do a thing. ** needs that to release info from their investigation. I know they are contacting the location that paid out the funds today. They will get the id info from the person who picked up the funds and start that way. but I will recieve my funds no later then 6 weeks. I have a friend in ** corporate in colorado, so they help with the process.
sometimes you can steal from people youwager, but sometimes ,ya get burnt right back! Those of you that got ****ed by them before, this will make you feel better.

[big joe 1212]

they have no right to keep your money no matter how much you yelled at them

they do have the right to close your account, take the bonus and entries

[DukeJohn]

He never said there was a 30 day waiting period, he just insisted it was 4.5 rollover. why would I think there was a 30 day. never heard that before. I bet with the 512 on the phillies and called to ask them about using the bonus for my 4.5 rollover. I was thinking of using it on other games and hitting the 4.5 times. Thats when the guy said NO you can not cash out for 7 days minimum cause I used the $12 fee money. (i thought it was a joke). he then said yes if i use the 200 it is a 30 day waiting period.
my question to them was, if i have an account manager, he should be an advice giver, a ball of knowledge about the book, not a cocksucking theif that will lie to get you to send your money. Andrew knew the importance of getting paid quickly and he never mentioned a waiting period once. I went over this with him more then 5 times. ask them for the tapes. how do you file a complaint with justin? I couldnt find the form. have not looked real hard.

Here is the complaint form for sbr http://www.sportsbookreview.com/Spor...Complaint.aspx

Nearly all books have a waiting period, something to do with money laundering and of course hoping you will lose the money... It doesn't even sound like you met the roll over yet? Maybe I mis-read. Also, if you don't use the bonus then the wait is only 7 days? Maybe I am confused...

Anyway, I do know what it is like for a rep to say one thing and then later that is not the case. I even had things in writing, in emails, from Bet Guardian and then it turned out they just out right lied to me. So, I understand your frustration. However, either you go with the way you want to or contact SBR, either way you will get your money and then have learned a nice little lesson about reps in this game....

Best of luck to ya...

[BigWoolyMammoth]

Thanks for the advice.
yeah they refuse to take my calls or return my money.
greatly appreciated.

Here is the complaint form for sbr http://www.sportsbookreview.com/Spor...Complaint.aspx

Nearly all books have a waiting period, something to do with money laundering and of course hoping you will lose the money... It doesn't even sound like you met the roll over yet? Maybe I mis-read. Also, if you don't use the bonus then the wait is only 7 days? Maybe I am confused...

Anyway, I do know what it is like for a rep to say one thing and then later that is not the case. I even had things in writing, in emails, from Bet Guardian and then it turned out they just out right lied to me. So, I understand your frustration. However, either you go with the way you want to or contact SBR, either way you will get your money and then have learned a nice little lesson about reps in this game....

Best of luck to ya...

[robmpink]

Funny thing here is when I signed up with them 4 years ago they didn't tell me about leaving the money in the account for xxxx amount of days. Whatever. I haven't played there since and learned a lesson.

[BigWoolyMammoth]

thanks for the post robmpink.
I appreciate your comments. not only have I not gotten my money back, I have not even heard from these clowns. A very special kind of thief they are.

[tsamem0rex]

thanks for this info, i know i wont be signing up with these guys lol..ill stick to my 5dimes

[durito]

bigwoolymamouth (mel) is this you or your wife? why do you have so many problems with every book? (yes i know customer service of sportsbooks give out bs info to solicit deposits, but surely you learned that quite sometime ago) how many chargebacks you do this week? do you like widespread panic/?

[robmpink]

The funny thing about my situation years ago was the customer service rep told me it was my problem that the sales guy never mentioned the hold period.

This was classic.

Unless you are smart from the start, you will always have a bad experience before you start plastering the book w/ clarifying questions.

[BigWoolyMammoth]

durito- this is my account. i do not know why the problems with sportsbooks. its such a pain in the ass to find honest people that paid fast. I charged back a card to sia for screwing up years ago and you just run it into the ground. have you never been cheated and done something about it? do i like widespread panic. what gave that away. christ.
ropmpink, they told me the same thing. youwager emailed me this morning and told me to shut my mouth on the forums and that i was extorting them...lol.. he said that he was going to "throw me a bone" but I didnt keep my mouth shut.
keep my mouth about them stealing from me?? are they kidding? if you want the email posted, I will be glad too. it was from Nate and youwager.
thanks again rob. they told me it was my fault as well for not being told the waiting periods. awesome stuff. I only asked them 10 plus times if there were any catches other then the 4.5 rollover which was actually a nice rollover.

[Justin7]

BigWooly,

Youwager contacted me about your dispute. According to them, "We try to keep xxxx out, but he has made 10-12 deposits in the past with 8 different accounts". Youwager also states that every time you make a deposit and lose, there is this drama.

Can you confirm if you sent Youwager an email saying
"I told you to refund my money and of course you have ignored me. the ** investigation will not stop.... if you decide to ignore me, then I will never stop. I am relentless. if you still or lie, you should take responsibility for that. If you want credit card chargebacks, then keep it up. or you can call and handle it man to man."


This sounds like extortion...

[BigWoolyMammoth]

no drama at all.
this was my 1st deposit. that is why they gave me a 40% rollover. so that is a lie.
I did send them an email telling them what i was going to do about ** and i stand by that. i DO have friends that have made accounts and plan on helping me retrieve the money they stole. I just dont let people steal and take what they want. they said its drama? lying to people to get them to send their money is my drama??? call it extortion if you want, I am getting every dollar back. I have a friend ** and he is helping me retrieve it is just time consuming. but in NO way are they getting away with lying cheating and stealing.

[Santo]

Are you trying to get a reality show? ;-)

[BigWoolyMammoth]

no why? Do you think I am wrong? they tell justin whatever they want to make themselves look better, the fact of the matter is the tapes do not lie. So if they let justin or the owner of youwager listen to them, the answer is an easy one.
They know the devil is in the details and will not release shit to anyone.

[Santo]

Given your past history, I find "We try to keep xxxx out, but he has made 10-12 deposits in the past with 8 different accounts" more likely than your explanation.

[BigWoolyMammoth]

sorry santo- they said it was my 1st deposit. then thursday nate said i had accounts with other sportsbooks that i deposited with. whats wrong with deposits with other books? 1st fedility etc.. I do not know who is who in this industry. every book has 4 other books they own. they wanted my business with youwager, but i was drama before? why didnt I hear any of that before I deposited? I never had an issue with them. I never used youwager and they lied to me about 4 different things on 1 phone call. and you have their back?

[kmarinouofm]

its not that we have their back Woolymammoth its just that none of us here were born last night... u see a lot of us have been doing this a long time.. and we can usually smell bs a mile away...

Not for nothing but Youwager is a decent book.. in the old days they were one of the best books.. I don't think they ever meant to hurt you... Maybe their rep messed up.. Maybe you did deposit your money then later asked for the bonus.. I know youwager was very good about that.. several times i deposited a few hundred to just play a single game.. lost , called the next day and they still gave me my bonus.. that was very fing cool of them...

The fact that you have charged back another book already raises all types of alarms..
Maybe the rep did tell you one thing.. maybe the kid was a rookie and forgot to tell you about the the fee's having a 7 day hold..

but answer me this.. you won right? you played a few games and were up right? thats why you are taking your money out right? Did you loose any money? Did you loose the 12 dollar fee? Why didn't you just wait the 7 days? It's only 7 days? Why didn't you deposit using a credit card or check? You wouldn't have had any fee's then right? Then there wouldn't have been any waiting ...

Remember you take free money... any money.. even if its a fee.. and that is considered a free play.. i know its shitty..but them the rules.. i would have just shut my mouth and waited 7 days..and chalked it up to inexperience.. but instead you are making this to be some huge conspiracy... I don't blame youwager for anything they have done.. if you would have handled it right.. you probably wouldn't have gone through half the shit you went through...

the fact that they claim you have 8 -12 accounts really makes me wonder as well.. did you get friends to sign up? Were you all pounding the same games? What's the real story?

I know that their marketing department tried to get you to open an account.. but maybe after you signed up they realized you were some dude that they had problems with in the past at Fedility or whatever other book they have.. We really don't know... because its obvious that your story holds about as much water as a spaghetti strainer right now...

you are new to SBR and how are things are handled so I am sure that is the main reason why this went down the way it did... You should have simply stated your case.. and asked for help.. no need for any "yellow journalism"

[acarmelo1]

Why does everybody side up with the book? And yes wolly should have contact SBR police first. To see what can be done. But that does not mean that The Book is right. If they messed up not saying all the information that was asked. Is the book faults. If he already had an account is the rep Fault for not double checking. In the bottom line is YoUWager Fault for not doing a decent job. Not Wolly, he is just a gambler.