[Ballerholic]

Take the Pats

[15805]

Oh, so the deflated ball allegations defeated the Colts, the fact they were whipped like a rented mule in the Grand Canyon by the Pats on offense, defense, and special teams had no affect whatsoever on the final score, what was it again 934 to 7?

Unsubscribe please, that post was a waste of bandwidth.

Indy could have played with 14 guys on offense & defense and be given 5 downs
to make a 1st down for them to have a chance. I think this Blount guy is the
2nd most fearsome back in the league to Lynch which should almost equalize the run games,
Brady, Gronk & Edelman will mesmorize the vaunted Seattle defense.

[lakerboy]

Books laughing so hard. Taking juice on a pk-110 on both sides. Telling punters to guess whole they collect.

BTW this game is a guess. Don't try and convince yourself either side has a glaring advantage.

Coaches- even.
Qb's- very tiny adv to brady
Rb- lynch
Te-gronk
Wr's -even
Front four-ne
Lb's- hawks
Outfield-pretty even
Special teams- I think the pats kicker is a little better but rest even.
Intangibles- seahawks


Just bet on the coin flip. Same juice- same chance.

Thanks

[PAYTON20]

SO Many fukkin squares in this thread lol

[stevenash]

Coaches- even.
Qb's- very tiny adv to brady

Thanks

Petey is not in the same class as Bill, and not even close.
Wilson, albeit a smart QB, is nowhere near the QB Brady is, and I'm not a fan of Bill or Tom, but come on, let's be realistic here.

[stevenash]

SO Many fukkin squares in this thread lol

Define square.

[ramones951]

Define square.

Handicapping a football game like this:

Books laughing so hard. Taking juice on a pk-110 on both sides. Telling punters to guess whole they collect.

BTW this game is a guess. Don't try and convince yourself either side has a glaring advantage.

Coaches- even.
Qb's- very tiny adv to brady
Rb- lynch
Te-gronk
Wr's -even
Front four-ne
Lb's- hawks
Outfield-pretty even
Special teams- I think the pats kicker is a little better but rest even.
Intangibles- seahawks


Just bet on the coin flip. Same juice- same chance.

Thanks

[PAYTON20]

Books laughing so hard. Taking juice on a pk-110 on both sides. Telling punters to guess whole they collect.

BTW this game is a guess. Don't try and convince yourself either side has a glaring advantage.

Coaches- even.
Qb's- very tiny adv to brady
Rb- lynch
Te-gronk
Wr's -even
Front four-ne
Lb's- hawks
Outfield-pretty even
Special teams- I think the pats kicker is a little better but rest even.
Intangibles- seahawks


Just bet on the coin flip. Same juice- same chance.

Thanks

Handicapping a football game like this:

^^ exactly

Not really in the mood to argue with anyone over this because it's a waste of time... But I just about spit my coffee out reading some of the comments in this thread:

-"Blount and Pats run game on par with Beast Mode and Seahawks run game"

-"Pats defense on par with Seahawks defense"


Too much rationalizing and overreaction to the conference championships

[2daBank]

^^ more like too much homer ass pom pom waving to see the truth..

[BeanTownClown88]

Hawks offense 1 dimensional..Pats defense is very dynamic, capable of baiting wilson into turnovers/mistakes..can keep Seattle out of the endzone. pats offense since week 4 has been dynamic, plus they are great at half time adjusting...Hawks have more to gameplan for than the pats..wouldn't be surprised if the pats win and Tim Wright is the MVP or something crazy..A guy who hasn't caught more than 10 balls all year can be player of the game any given week for this team...will be a great game

[stevenash]

Too much rationalizing and overreaction to the conference championships

Yeah, even though Wilson made some dopey mistakes Sunday doesn't change the fact that he's still a smart QB.
Blount had a monster game Sunday, but that doesn't change the fact he's not Walter Peyton.

Lakerboy brings up intangibles, just the fact that Sherman and others are injured, call it what you want, hurt, or injured, banged up, whatever automaticly gives Patriots the edge in that department.

[bob6199]

Indy could have played with 14 guys on offense & defense and be given 5 downs
to make a 1st down for them to have a chance. I think this Blount guy is the
2nd most fearsome back in the league to Lynch which should almost equalize the run games,
Brady, Gronk & Edelman will mesmorize the vaunted Seattle defense.

the thing in bold may just be the stupidest thing i have ever heard.

[lakerboy]

I didn't handicap the game. It's afukking pick for a reason. If you think you have an edge with one side then take them. My point is that books are making coin nomatter what.

[PAYTON20]

So when the Patriots gave up 31 points AT HOME in a playoff game to 2 weeks ago, that was the best and most dynamic defense in the NFL?????

To the 10-6 Ravens?? Lol

The Seahawks never gave up 31 points in the entire season

[BeanTownClown88]

Still won the game

[bob6199]

Still won the game

as did Seattle last week, point is not to take any of the last few weeks into capping this game. Different teams, different gameplans, different executions of of those gameplans.

[PAYTON20]

the thing in bold may just be the stupidest thing i have ever heard.

[sneakerhead]

Seattle is not the same team from last year, not sure why people keep comparing the two games. Seattle is missing Golden Tate, Percy Harvin and Zach Miller.

[stevenash]

I didn't handicap the game. It's afukking pick for a reason. If you think you have an edge with one side then take them. My point is that books are making coin nomatter what.

Bought Pats +122 ml on Monday morning.
I like to think I have a tiny edge, but an edge never the less.

[PAYTON20]

^^ more like too much homer ass pom pom waving to see the truth..

Let's look at the truth:

Total Defense:

Seahawks: 1st in NFL (267.1 YPG)
Patriots: 13th in NFL (344.1 YPG)

Passing Defense:

Seahawks: 1st in NFL (185.6 YPG)
Patriots: 17th in NFL (239.8 YPG)

Rushing Defense:
Seahawks: 3rd in NFL (81.5 YPG)
Patriots: 9th in NFL (104.3 YPG)

Rushing Offense:
Seahawks: 1st in NFL (172.6 YPG)
Patriots: 18th in NFL (107.9 YPG)

Legarrette Blount: 125 car., 547 yards, 4.4 YPC, 5 TDs

Marshawn Lynch: 280 car., 1,306 yards (4th in NFL), 4.7 YPC, 13 TDs (1st in NFL)

Now those are the facts

The only real advantage the Patriots have over the Seahawks is in passing offense. But luckily for the Hawks, the Pats passing offense doesn't face off against Seattle's passing offense. They face Seattle's defense which is the #1 passing defense in the NFL with the best secondary in NFL's recent history

[lakerboy]

Bought Pats +122 ml on Monday morning.
I like to think I have a tiny edge, but an edge never the less.

You do as of now. Let's see what it closes at. Looks like ne will close favored or atleast juiced. As far as this game the books know nothing.

[2daBank]

as did Seattle last week, point is not to take any of the last few weeks into capping this game. Different teams, different gameplans, different executions of of those gameplans.

at least someone has some fukkin sense round here,, so sick of hearing bout last weeks gms or the week before that..last weeks gms dont mean shit, the week before dont mean shit. it the playoffs you win and advance, doenst really matter how you do it and every team they both played brought totally different challenges than what they will both present to each other.. we have a full season worth of numbers to look at and for some reason half the ppl on pats want to point to last week and half the ppl on sea want to point to 2 weeks ago, lol...

[2daBank]

Let's look at the truth:

Total Defense:

Seahawks: 1st in NFL (267.1 YPG)
Patriots: 13th in NFL (344.1 YPG)

Passing Defense:

Seahawks: 1st in NFL (185.6 YPG)
Patriots: 17th in NFL (239.8 YPG)

Rushing Defense:
Seahawks: 3rd in NFL (81.5 YPG)
Patriots: 9th in NFL (104.3 YPG)

Rushing Offense:
Seahawks: 1st in NFL (172.6 YPG)
Patriots: 18th in NFL (107.9 YPG)

Legarrette Blount: 125 car., 547 yards, 4.4 YPC, 5 TDs

Marshawn Lynch: 280 car., 1,306 yards (4th in NFL), 4.7 YPC, 13 TDs (1st in NFL)

Now those are the facts

The only real advantage the Patriots have over the Seahawks is in passing offense. But luckily for the Hawks, the Pats passing offense doesn't face off against Seattle's passing offense. They face Seattle's defense which is the #1 passing defense in the NFL with the best secondary in NFL's recent history

you want some real truth,, anyone that uses yards per game as any sort of indicator doesnt know wtf they are doing.. FACT

[15805]

the thing in bold may just be the stupidest thing i have ever heard.

Lynch definitely is the RB that most defensive backs cringe when
they see him coming, whose #2 in that department certainly not Bell,
Charles, Murray who are better backs only Lacey might be ahead
of Blount.

[stevenash]

Let's look at the truth:

Total Defense:

Seahawks: 1st in NFL (267.1 YPG)
Patriots: 13th in NFL (344.1 YPG)

Passing Defense:

Seahawks: 1st in NFL (185.6 YPG)
Patriots: 17th in NFL (239.8 YPG)

Rushing Defense:
Seahawks: 3rd in NFL (81.5 YPG)
Patriots: 9th in NFL (104.3 YPG)

Rushing Offense:
Seahawks: 1st in NFL (172.6 YPG)
Patriots: 18th in NFL (107.9 YPG)

Legarrette Blount: 125 car., 547 yards, 4.4 YPC, 5 TDs

Marshawn Lynch: 280 car., 1,306 yards (4th in NFL), 4.7 YPC, 13 TDs (1st in NFL)

Now those are the facts

The only real advantage the Patriots have over the Seahawks is in passing offense. But luckily for the Hawks, the Pats passing offense doesn't face off against Seattle's passing offense. They face Seattle's defense which is the #1 passing defense in the NFL with the best secondary in NFL's recent history

Handicapping like that, then the Buffallo Bills in 1990 should have destroyed the NY Giants in the Super Bowl.
The line was 7.5 and most 'sharps' thought it should have been 10

Jim Kelly was lights out laser accurate that season, #1 in accuracy, QB ratiing, completion pct., everytime he threw the ball that season it was pretty much money. Bills had the #1 rush attack, Thurmon Thomas was Beast Mode before Lynch was. He ran away with the rushing title (in the AFC) Barry Sanders had like 20 more run yards in the NFC.

Bills had the #1 ranked QB going in, the #1 rush attack going in, and even though he was the goat of the game, Norwood and the special teams were top five ranked going in.

Bills had nine all-pros starting that game.
On defense Bruce Smith was sacking every opposing QB in the league.
Bills had a depends on what metrics you use, a top 3 defense.

Giants had a journey man QB in Hoestetler finish the season when Simms went down.
Bills pretty much owned the Giants in almost every statistical category going in.

How that turn out?

I'll tell you how that turned out, some tuna by the name of Bill Parcells sat down with his hand picked defensive coordinator Bill Belichick and said the Belichick, the way to stop this unstoppable K-gun offense of Kelly and the Bills is to keep the ball out of their hands.
He told Belichick to come up with a game plan on defense, Parcells took care of the offense game plan with Romeo Crenell.
(Al Groh was Belichics assistant on defense in 1990)

The perfect game plan, Bill and Bill came up with a 'keep away' blueprint.
Still needed a shank from Norwood to win it, but my point here is...........
(if I have to tell you the point, you'll never get it.)

Now, 25 years later, I think Belichick knows what to do still.
Tackle eligibles, WR's in the backfield, all sorts of formations that Petey and his defense has never seen before therefore he can't prepare for.

Nice kick shank-a-sauraus by the way

[2daBank]

nasher that brings back painful memories.. that was the 1st year i really started gambling, seemed every kid i knew was on gmen and i ate all their action. i had to sell off some of my baseball card collection to pay all the fukkers..think i was 12 or 13, lol..

[PAYTON20]

you want some real truth,, anyone that uses yards per game as any sort of indicator doesnt know wtf they are doing.. FACT

Lol ok bro

It doesn't matter how you spin it

Total Scoring Defense:

Seahawks 1st in NFL
Patriots 9th in NFL

[lakerboy]

Nasher I think the pats are this year's version opf the bills. Seahawks would resemble gmen.


Payton where did sea rank in short passing yards allowed? 17th?

Rodgers showed last week you can move the ball and he wasn't fit.
Brady could be healthy.

[stevenash]

^
You want memories, Simms and the G-Men over the Elway's.
Right after they polished off Montana 49-3, and shutout the Deadskins to reach the SB the line opened up around 8, I call my local when it was 10, I got my yearend bonus for 3K a month earlier, and put it all in on NYG -10, think the line ended up 12, when I called the local I asked him if he can cover 3 dimes, he said 'easily' I said "Gimme NYG 3 dimes -10" he let out a giant sigh, that spoke volumes, he got destroyed, paid everybody every penny too. Stand up book

[2daBank]

Lol ok bro

It doesn't matter how you spin it

Total Scoring Defense:

Seahawks 1st in NFL
Patriots 9th in NFL

ra ra sis boom ba

do you wear a skirt when you spewing your homer trash?

oh i mean spitting out meaningless surface stats that lets us all know how much better sea is? that the reason the gm a pick because sea is superior in every category..

[swag1982]

the thing in bold may just be the stupidest thing i have ever heard.

Yeah if he was even close then y didn't the steelers use him instead of bell
i think Blount is more comparable to say a Ryan Mathews or somebody like that

[stevenash]

Lol ok bro

It doesn't matter how you spin it

Total Scoring Defense:

Seahawks 1st in NFL
Patriots 9th in NFL

This is the way I think it goes, Wilson can't beat Revis in the secondary, I think Wilson won't have a very good passing day, he's going to have to pass to the other side of Revis,

If Belichick stuffs the box with 8 to neutralize Lynch, what's the plan? TE over the middle?
Speaking of TE over the middle, can Seattle stop that Gronk slant over the middle, he's even tougher to bring down then Lynch.

It's obvious Seattle has to stop Gronk, Pats have to stuff Lynch.
If Brady is allowed to dink and donk, game will be over in the 3rd

[PAYTON20]

Nasher not capping game based off the stats I listed above.

Only responding to ridiculous comments made previously in this thread that are flat out false

I'm not really following this whole idea that Bellichick will have some secret offense that the Seahawks will be unable to defend. Seems a bit far fetched to me.

Where was Bellichick's secret unstoppable offense in the past Super Bowls when the Patriots laid a fat egg?

Anyhow, good luck to everyone on whatever they play. Should be a great game

[sneakerhead]

Anyhow, good luck to everyone on whatever they play. Should be a great game

[stevenash]

^
No secret. I think it's going to be the Brady and Gronk show until Seattle proves they can stop the Brady to Gronk show.
I don't think Brady is going to be a mad bomber at all.