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The affiliate department of wagerweb is telling affiliates they are in negotiation with SBR to make payment to trixtrix. The hold up is that WagerWeb wants to send money to SBR and have SBR forward it to the player. If this is fabricated then perhaps you guys can do the downgrade again similar to APEX false claims. They are also pointing to this story of their upgrade to recruit affiliates.
I should also note another long timer (M.D) when signing on here last year. made the claim that stories in SBR newswire were made up (had him sent off with tail between his legs shortly later though).
lol that is hilariously outrageous lie!
thanks for the updates prop, props to you and rest of the players world, one look through the thread and i actually get teared up a bit, haven't been wagering for over a year, haven't been to sbr in ages, but nice to know the old-timers still remembers the whole ordeal and the rights/wrongs, this is the reason why lying scumbags can never jumpstart their business, your credibility is everything in the gambling world
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and for those of you wagerweb shil..uh i mean affiliates out there, think about this: as tc once said, if wagerweb can't afford to make good on a measly 11k legit debt, what are your chances of NOT getting stiffed?
We have talked to WW about clearing up their past issues but we wouldn't be able to hold any money.Originally Posted by prop
Correlated betting where the player has the advantage instead of the book will always be a hard issue. But as Bill mentioned a lot of books have been stung by this. I think trix even took SBR for a big number in a similiar way. I look at it as part of the learning curve. We paid, the other quality books paid, probably time for WW to pay and move forward.
Im the gentleman who was owed the additional $2500 from Wagerweb. Back in early 2012 I was told Wagerweb was not cooperating and that the case was done. Now Im out of the blue I'm reading (and it seems SBR thinks it too) that I was paid the $5k and stole an additional $2.5k. The funny thing about this is BANKWIRES are very much TRACEABLE! And I if needed will order my bank statements from every month of 2011 and this year if needed. I was going to let the $2.5k slide because I thought SBR was fighting for me and they hit a deadend. But I was not told of these claims at all and to see Wagerweb Upgraded at that is a JOKE. So I would appreciate it if someone from SBR would contact me.
Smoke,
Email whomever was helping you earlier. If they are discussing these old issues, there is at least a chance yours will be addressed.
Thx for the advice...I just emailed Lou (who was helping me) about this. This should be interesting. I can't stop laughing at this.
Since making this post 3 more (4 total) affiliates told me WagerWeb made this claim (I will be soliciting for more) and has referenced the SBR upgrade and said a new one is coming soon, that the only issue is a final payer to be paid who they can't pay direct. (I can ask for release and probably get it on a few of these if anyone involved wants to take a look). I've also emailed a player I know who is one of the older complaints on the newswire encouraging him to visit this thread or get back with SBR.
Smoke_O
We were assured they will take care of this. They also outlined some communication issues including third parties speaking on your behalf. Wagerweb told us they will be getting a report from their processor and that they asked for some basic yet somewhat private info from you that has been a speedbump. Do follow up with Lou and we'll find out if WW has the report and either way, should be able to help you move on.
This will not end will for Wagerweb if they are truely using this upgrade for advertising. Because I am FULLY WILLING to mail my bank statements to SBR and have them PDF online if needed. If Wagerweb wants to lie...thats cool, but dont use me or say that I am a liar and thief. I wont stand for it! Dan and Wagerweb better think of a new strategy for my case becuase the one they chose is faulty.
Whatever is needed (sans my social security #) will be made available. The bank account used for the transaction will obviously have to be closed after I get you guys or whomever the paperwork. But if that entails me getting the remainder of the money owed to me then it will be worth it. However past bank statements in full are not cheap...so the matter of whose paying for it I would like to be discussed. If Wagerweb claims there processor has a report coming on this matter...I would LOVE to see it...and I want them to bold in black when it hit my bank account here in the States.
Edit: The 3rd party in question is no different than Lou calling on my behalf trying to help me get my money. It means nothing and is and was only a smokescreen to distract us from the only issue that mattered...and that was the money owed to me. Unlike the other cases I had NO correlated plays or parlays to even speak of. I had a small rollover which was met in 2 days and won about 80% on straight wagers. Wagerweb HAS to look for an excuse as to why they havent paid me and there are none. I will NOT let them use my case to allow them to be UPGRADED and use it as a marketing tool. I wont stand by it and I will do whatever is needed to prove my case! They have my full attention now.
Last edited by Smoke_O; 09-28-12 at 08:10 PM.
i wonder.. if tc hadn't informed me of this thread, i wouldn't have even been made aware of the wagerweb upgrade @sbr, if that happened would i too be "uncooperative" w/ sbr and thus a "scammer"?
hey j7: remember the time when dan (you know: the other "dan") from wagerweb said they can provide proof that i was warned verbally regarding cps and after 2 years+ they haven't been even able to provide the toilet paper they wipe their bs w/? *HIGH-FIVE*
Never had a worry in the world in not getting paid by them.
Again, D+ is way too low. Slow pays by top rated books here, but no slow pays with Wager Web.
There is a case with Trix Trix for questionable betting and this he said she said wire issue. Over the last 2 years these are the contested issues.
Now it's called questionable betting. So glad everyone's positions have evolved so much since the days of turning the forum world upside down with the sportsbook.com thefts. Pretty soon there won't be much we need to even watch out for. Perhaps can just send them the money and skip the betting all together.
i'm not really involved in the sportsbetting-verse anymore, but looking through this thread: the line in the sand is pretty clear, side A: any knowledgeable bettor w/join date <=2012, side B: sbr mods + robmpink
i don't think much has changed since the old days, except maybe the intentions of originally noble watchdog sites *sighs*, i guess in these sportsbetting black days, affiliates/shills still have to eat somehow
on that score i don't think you need to worry prop, majority of knowledgeable bettors are in agreement: a thief is a thief is a thief no matter how much robmpink personally shills for them
Trix, let off some steam. Alter their wiki page again. You, Prop and someone else in this thread aren't thick as thieves, are you?
Whenever someone has anything good to say about them, we are shills. Sorry jack, we aren't the ones who were purposely trying to rip them off.
Come on, I knew 100% for sure you were going to post again in this thread. Also, the objective of sports betting is to attempt to win. Let me order a copy of J7's book to see if maybe betting correlated parlays when allowed is mentioned in the strategy will get back to you once it arrives.
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robbypinky vs. the world lol
I didn't remember the actual facts on this dispute, so I looked back. Wagerweb did say they warned you not to play CPs by either email or chat, around December 11, 2009. They never provided confirmation of this.
When it's John's money on the line his stance is always different. He doesn't have the (3rd grade level) analytic ability to see that there is a large difference between parlaying -30 over 49 and -14 and over 55. If the players gets the best of it, then they must be cheating.
Let it out Durito. Let out all your hate and envy, I'm here for you so let the tears of envy fall like Niagara Falls. Btw I believe everything in your post is backwards, what a shock. When trix beat SBR on cp's he was paid, my education is well above yours as is my net worth(the crying towel still handy?), we didnt call it cheating we said the CP's put the odds in the player's advantage. The odds are you will get something right eventually just keep trying.
You are more than twice my age, I would hope it is at least 10x as much.
For someone that was working as a chef making mid five figures in their 40's I highly doubt it. But any time you'd like to take a standardized test in math/econ/finance/stats vs me I'm sure I could get backers into the millions.
Maybe you're smarter but all I know is when I was in your position I was building a business not wasting time on a message board putting down someone who was more successful. If you indeed are so much smarter than thou let's see it. All I see is your envy.
seems like "he" was warned.
No,not really. Most of their supporters you drove off or know better to reply since they are a shill or work for WW.
c'mon robbie, continue to amuse as the only wagerweb clown left in this thread, (discounting sbr mods), "how" was he/me warned, do you have the proof?
just like "how" in the other case wagerweb claim they lose track of both the bettor and his money, but sbr found him easily, do they have proof of that too?
or is in wagerweb's kangaroo court, ambiguous words such as "seems" "looks like" "tried" "might" "unresponsive" "3rd party" "in discussion" etc actually constitutes over the truth with rock sold hard evidence?
1.) first of all so you know all their shills and workers for wagerweb as an independent observer, how odd.
2.) so you admit the only ones who would defend them in this case are people who are still wagerweb shils/affiliates
3.) What people? are we talking about the ficticious people like the ficticious affiliate budget that wagerweb has can no longer afford to pay shills and affiliates?
#1 Fella, why are you in denial that people actually have good experiences there and are paid accordingly?
#2 You drove off players who've voice their opinion with your bully tactics. I guess I don't feel that way when you call me a a shill because I'm only a player.
#3 I guess not a single soul plays there. Everyone is fake.
I gotta say this is a very strange thread.
We have a book downgraded due to a blatant theft of player funds. Ok. Now a year or two down the road they are upgraded based on some vague promise to look at these previous cases again. In who's world does this make sense?
I've read the report and I can't see anything positive there that even remotely warrants an upgrade. If anything it may be full of misinformation.
The new owner Dan? A poster claims he's not new but the same POS (his word) as has been there for years. Which is it?
The report doesn't say but gives the impression that these previous cases of theft will somehow be worked out. Just a few minor glitches to smooth out. But the players involved immediately enter the thread and say this is the first they've heard of it. Needless to say they are a bit upset that a book that stole their funds is now being upgraded by SBR.
And then there are the posts by the mods. They all give the impression of a real concentrated attempt at SPIN. Although they never flat out say that either of the two players were wrong there is a clear attempt to muddy the waters a bit in the hope that they can gradually work up WagerWeb's image.
Whenever they mention trixtrix's case they can't help themselves. They have to also make mention of the correlated parlays. Oh, they'll agree they're not relevant, but they keep mentioning them. Like they hope that if they say it often enough, then in the end we will all realise that there are two sides to the story and that some of the blame should go to trixtrix. Sorry SBR, it's not working.
And the other case where WagerWeb claims that they paid but can offer no proof. Noone real believes that story and SBR agrees that the claim without proof is just not good enough. But every time the mods refer to the case they have to mention the 'we paid' claim. Not relevent, but we are going to keep repeating it. Again if it's repeated often enough maybe some of the heat will come off WagerWeb.
Spin away but it just is not working. They are still a scam book.
PLP
Last edited by ProlinePlayer; 09-30-12 at 08:20 AM.
I love this line as well. It's brilliant!
First you manage to make SBR sound real tough on the books. Try to take unfair advantage of the players and SBR will come down on the sportsbook real hard.
And at the same time it tries for, a let's move forward attitude. Yes they did wrong, but now they've served their time and we put should the past behind us. WagerWeb is moving in the right direction and we should give them some support.
Only problem is that I didn't realise this worked like the justice system. Stole player funds. Penalty is 2 years on the black list. Time served and now it's all ok again. Is that how it works?
Should making good on the theft come into it somewhere?
PLP
Last edited by ProlinePlayer; 09-30-12 at 04:35 PM.
There is no way it works perfectly. They have these two disputes and they have their side of how they went down. In your dispute they promised us you would be paid or have already been paid. In the correlated bet dispute it was somehow taken to another mediator(OSGA) which ruled mostly in favor of the book.
We want the rating guide to reflect the safety and overall experience of playing there. This is probably a B rated book as far as current experience goes. It;s a D+ book because they have these lingering disputes which calls in question whether this is a safe place to play. Probably not the exact answer you would like to hear but that's how it works.
Glad to see the full 180 is complete. These guys just scam 20% off a winner threating to tell someone's family they were gambling online. This is a really really scummy site not close to B. Marty Davis is also liar and fraud too, telling lies. Well actually I thought - they're already telling people SBR is upgrading them again soon, I guess now I get it.
Something I overlooked in the post about Wagerweb on the main site states "SBR has attempted to connect the player with WagerWeb to resolve the situation through his bank; the player has been uncooperative"
When have I been uncooperative? I have NOT heard from Lou about this case since May 2, 2012. In an email to me from him he tells me "There's nothing we can do, they don't want to pay". Thats it, no more...I took it like a man and moved on with my life.
4 months later,someone explain to me how did it go from that to, I have been uncooperative in the report. Please tell me that statement was a misprint and should have read Wagerweb has been uncooperative because not only was I cooperative, but I was given only 1 instruction, which was to let SBR handle it and not interact with Wagerweb. The last correspondance I had with SBR on the matter was May 2...and what I wrote above was the only thing in the email. Which I took with a grain of salt and moved on. Now 4 months later Wagerweb gets upgraded and I am made to be a thief by them and uncooperative by SBR! Come on now, something is not right about this. Its not RIGHT at all.
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Yes and SBR ruled that trixtrix was mugged. This was all over multiple forums. Flashbacks here to how many time Dave Johnson said BetCBS players were warned and wouldn't back it up with proof, and players denied it. I have hard evidence that someone in Justbet staff made the claim that trixtrix was going to get paid but they needed to send the money to SBR as escrow. It doesn't sound here like they have any intention of paying trixtrix, nor that SBR even has much of a position on that, so it's likely just more lies from a company with a closet full of them. Plus another member of their staff has said most of the newswire was blackmail attempts and the disputes were fabricated. They will say whatever they want to say, and idiots believe them.
Anyways sorry to hear about your situation Smoke_O and hope you get paid now. Keep us posted. I've been on these guys emailing small affiliates that promote them making them aware of WagerWeb scams for a long time especially the trixtrix one. Several I was able to convince now check in every so often. I get forwarded the emails and chat logs asking if this or that is true. I've been delivered so many lies from these guys and forwarded several complaints coming from small sites. There is no chance this is a reputable site or the risk level is B. Anyways though sounds like you got some press and SBR has you covered here, so expect you'll be paid soon. Best of luck. Note: New management line is somewhat BS, because the new management has been the source of many lies. Rather than address the problems they want to lie saying old complaints are settled, we're reputable now please promote us. They're also offering better commission than most sites are right now.
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