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    FUpv
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    PreGame Pro's - updated Records through 02/02/2012

    Name Record % Units W/L Dollars W/L

    1 Greg Shaker 842-679 55.4% 171.0 $17,098
    2 Goodfella 501-396 55.9% 68.8 $6,878
    3 Mike Hook 791-713 52.6% 59.4 $5,935
    4 Spartan 915-829 52.5% 48.5 $4,854
    5 Joe Gavazzi 313-262 54.4% 42.0 $4,197
    6 Dwayne Bryant 330-273 54.7% 27.2 $2,724
    7 Andre Gomes 1169-1047 52.8% 26.0 $2,602
    8 Bryan Leonard 132-109 54.8% 18.2 $1,820
    9 Philly Godfather 131-119 52.4% 17.0 $1,703
    10 Sac Lawson 246-228 51.9% 4.9 $488


    11 Dan Bebe 93-87 51.7% (0.8) $(80)
    12 Dave Essler 576-553 51.0% (6.1) $(611)
    13 Tony George 312-292 51.7% (6.6) $(659)
    14 Brent Brooks 51-58 46.8% (10.5) $(1,050)
    15 Evan Altemus 363-362 50.1% (16.5) $(1,645)
    16 Stephen Nover 164-159 50.8% (16.6) $(1,664)
    17 Ben Burns 1044-873 54.5% (19.3) $(1,932)
    18 Johnny Detroit 382-373 50.6% (27.7) $(2,774)
    19 The King Maker 37-52 41.6% (40.3) $(4,030)
    20 Larry Del Genio 721-682 51.4% (40.3) $(4,030)
    21 Cincinnati Kid 28-45 38.4% (45.0) $(4,500)
    22 Vegas Runner 702-660 51.5% (63.1) $(6,305)
    23 Stan Sharpe 235-234 50.1% (70.2) $(7,016)
    24 Marc Lawrence 384-373 50.7% (71.2) $(7,115)
    25 Denver Money 280-304 47.9% (77.0) $(7,695)
    26 Rocky Atkinson 335-343 49.4% (94.5) $(9,450)
    27 Rob Crowne 155-175 47.0% (99.7) $(9,970)
    28 King Creole 259-281 48.0% (109.3) $(10,928)
    29 Marco D'Angelo 456-490 48.2% (119.4) $(11,943)
    30 Gill Alexander 466-511 47.7% (138.7) $(13,865)
    31 Larry Ness 731-713 50.6% (165.9) $(16,592)
    32 JR ODonnell 471-484 49.3% (168.7) $(16,871)
    33 Nick Parsons 763-762 50.0% (352.8) $(35,282)

    Totals 13,375 - 12,581 51.5% (1,277.1) $(127,708)
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    Thanks; fupv some of these cappers are real bad should not be allowed to sell pic.

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    So follow the top three, fade the bottom three? :P

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    Shaker is the best. easy to tell that. You can't just look at percentage wins. He picks a lot of dogs in baseball. mostly dogs and prolly why he wins so much. That is prolly his best sport.

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    great info fupv ty

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPappa View Post
    Shaker is the best. easy to tell that. You can't just look at percentage wins. He picks a lot of dogs in baseball. mostly dogs and prolly why he wins so much. That is prolly his best sport.
    Who was just looking at percentage wins? You do realize its in order of most units to least right? Wow...

    Thanks for putting together....shows perspective when some of these long term losers go on short term win streaks

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    Thank you for sharing FUpv, appreciate this. It's amazing how bad most of them are. Hell, even the ones with small profits would cost you money if you have been paying for all of their play packages.

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    Only three out of thirty three are worth it. Rj needs some new cappers

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    I know they are in order of money won. My point is Burns is 54.5% but losing m money. Gavazzi is winning money with same percentage. Shaker is not much higher but winning a lot more money cause he don't pick those -150 bets. He picks dogs.

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    philly godfather been gone

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    what is the timeline for the records?

    list appears outdated with cappers not on the site any longer

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    thanks! seems like you put a lot of work into compiling the records day-in day-out!

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    nice list.. very informative

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    i thought vegas runner was up money? on twitter always talking about how much money he is up.

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    That's a lot of work, thanks for keeping that. Very good information.

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    Appreciate the information.
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by SANDSHARK View Post
    i thought vegas runner was up money? on twitter always talking about how much money he is up.
    Oh, well since he said it on twitter it must be true you can always figure out a way to make it look like your winning.....past 34 games, past 3 days....this is the true measure.....no better than a coin flip

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallandale View Post
    Thanks; fupv some of these cappers are real bad should not be allowed to sell pic.
    Yes, some are just in the wrong line of work

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyVadah View Post
    So follow the top three, fade the bottom three? :P

    Can't really fade, because you need someone to go 47.6% just to break even on fading them

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPappa View Post
    Shaker is the best. easy to tell that. You can't just look at percentage wins. He picks a lot of dogs in baseball. mostly dogs and prolly why he wins so much. That is prolly his best sport.
    Correct. That's why Units won is the best indicator. The attached file breaks out each handicapper by sport. Looks like Shaker is pretty bad in football. He is great in basketball and baseball

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ol-G-Parker View Post
    what is the timeline for the records?

    list appears outdated with cappers not on the site any longer

    Open the file and you will see the timeline for each.
    List is to provide insight into how much money each handicapper makes long-term as well as how much money all of them cost their customers in total. Can't get rid of the ones that have left because that will reduce the long-term record for the site as a whole.

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    really appreciate this. thanks!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gatorwager View Post
    thanks! seems like you put a lot of work into compiling the records day-in day-out!
    Had to. If you want to determine which handicapper to buy/tail, you can ONLY go on his long-term record. PERIOD! Short-term streaks are useless. There's no such thing as being hot or cold. That's very inaccurate. If a handicapper is 55% long-term, than his next pick should have an expected success rate of 55%. If someone is 49% long-term, than his next pick will have a 49% expected success rate. The 49% long-term capper can go on a 10-0 winning streak but it does not change the fact that his next pick has the success rate of his long-term ability. Very important concept to understand. Unfortunately human nature is to follow short-term streaks and that's why bad handicappers stay in business for as long as they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SANDSHARK View Post
    i thought vegas runner was up money? on twitter always talking about how much money he is up.
    These are his long-term records dating back a year and a half. I am interested in finding out a handicappers ABILITY, not how he has done in the last day or week or month. He might be up so far this year for the first month and a week, but that does not change the fact that he's a losing handicapper long-term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunzal View Post
    Oh, well since he said it on twitter it must be true you can always figure out a way to make it look like your winning.....past 34 games, past 3 days....this is the true measure.....no better than a coin flip

    Correct.

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    I hope r.j. Bell and da-fatman read this forum ha ha

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallandale View Post
    I hope r.j. Bell and da-fatman read this forum ha ha
    I doubt they care...always gonna be new people to mkt to who dont know any better....that's how guy like vr makes money yr after yr.....gonna give him credit, out of em all he's the best at figuring out a way to market as a long term loser....he's makes money year after year while continually losing client's money....in some odd way it's almost impressive....i guess it also says something about the gullibility (stupidity) of the average guy

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    They're the bernie madoff of sports cappers

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunzal View Post
    I doubt they care...always gonna be new people to mkt to who dont know any better....that's how guy like vr makes money yr after yr.....gonna give him credit, out of em all he's the best at figuring out a way to market as a long term loser....he's makes money year after year while continually losing client's money....in some odd way it's almost impressive....i guess it also says something about the gullibility (stupidity) of the average guy

    Right on. It's also surprising that this so called 'average guy' goes all over message boards saying how much 'he hates touts' etc. And then the next day in forums like SBR begging for Game of the Year plays

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    Quote Originally Posted by FUpv View Post
    These are his long-term records dating back a year and a half. I am interested in finding out a handicappers ABILITY, not how he has done in the last day or week or month. He might be up so far this year for the first month and a week, but that does not change the fact that he's a losing handicapper long-term.
    thank you

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    Great thread


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    Shaker has always been solid on totals, especially baseball. He is one of the very few people in the world I will tail without a personal lean. He has been rolling this MLB season, and I expect him to continue his great season.

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    Thanks for posting this! It is so important for people to see who is winning and who is just hype.

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