[brainfreeze]

Christianity, yes.

Really? It's scary to love God before everything else? It's scary to love your neighbor as yourself? It's scary that Jesus our savior died for us? Which gives us the option not to die....but have eternal life?

[statnerds]

The only arrogant thing I see in this thread, are those with no faith in God. Just my humble opinion.

yikes.

yet you fail to see how arrogant a belief in god is? so benevolent that he made us the center of the universe and gave us domain over every living thing and made us so unique and special that no other life existed outside of earth...

except that it does

except that there are billions and billions of stars out there and stats wise a bevy of those will have conditions suitable to life as we know it and a few of those will indeed had, have or will have life forms. the only thing making us special is we were born from stardust and in a few hundred thousand or billion or trillion years we will be degrade back to stardust...quite beautiful to be a part of it all.

religion might be the height of arrogance good sir.

[brainfreeze]

yikes.

yet you fail to see how arrogant a belief in god is? so benevolent that he made us the center of the universe and gave us domain over every living thing and made us so unique and special that no other life existed outside of earth...

except that it does

except that there are billions and billions of stars out there and stats wise a bevy of those will have conditions suitable to life as we know it and a few of those will indeed had, have or will have life forms. the only thing making us special is we were born from stardust and in a few hundred thousand or billion or trillion years we will be degrade back to stardust...quite beautiful to be a part of it all.

religion might be the height of arrogance good sir.

Only way we will find life on other planets ...is if we put it there first and take pictures, and tell the world " look, life on another planet "!

[bobbywaves]

[bigtymer56]

Not even going to bother to watch the video...because the title is dumb.

Atheists wouldnt view it as a nightmare to actually have proof God existed.

[maggiethebestdog]

That certainly was a nightmare. The only thing that proved is what i have been saying from the start. You people are insane.

[bozeman]

all right all those proofs of god really are proving things if you are biased to accept a bunch of assumptions that it is god only who can make this and that...
A bible is one of the smartest books ever written - no doubt - but HERE is an empirical evidence that Bible despite its wisdom and good advice is a 100 percent human written book.
Who wants to google the history of Zoroastrianism? A human made religion that was the first monotheistic religion in the documented history. Written by a guy who doesnt claim to be a son of God or anybody great. He developed a concept of paradise and hell and many other theological concepts for the society to be better. It became a state religion in Persia around 650 bc.
What did jews have back then? Exodus and a few other old testament which are mainly historical, but not a whole lot of theology in there, raping and pillaging of villages.
What happens in 550? Persia conquers Jewish lands. Result? Other 40 books of old testament are written and theology is nearly the same as Zoroastrian.
350 - Persia is defeated by alexander the great - zoroastrianism vanishes as a state religion made by man, but jews are claiming their plagiarised version is Holy and one and only true.
That's how lack of historical insight makes people debate using some assumptions when we can just track the history of events a bit preceding 2000 bc and everything is clear

Any thoughts or comments?

[maggiethebestdog]

all right all those proofs of god really are proving things if you are biased to accept a bunch of assumptions that it is god only who can make this and that...
A bible is one of the smartest books ever written - no doubt - but HERE is an empirical evidence that Bible despite its wisdom and good advice is a 100 percent human written book.
Who wants to google the history of Zoroastrianism? A human made religion that was the first monotheistic religion in the documented history. Written by a guy who doesnt claim to be a son of God or anybody great. He developed a concept of paradise and hell and many other theological concepts for the society to be better. It became a state religion in Persia around 650 bc.
What did jews have back then? Exodus and a few other old testament which are mainly historical, but not a whole lot of theology in there, raping and pillaging of villages.
What happens in 550? Persia conquers Jewish lands. Result? Other 40 books of old testament are written and theology is nearly the same as Zoroastrian.
350 - Persia is defeated by alexander the great - zoroastrianism vanishes as a state religion made by man, but jews are claiming their plagiarised version is Holy and one and only true.
That's how lack of historical insight makes people debate using some assumptions when we can just track the history of events a bit preceding 2000 bc and everything is clear

Any thoughts or comments?

Yes. That has all been covered. There is nothing you can say or do to get these people to admit they have wasted their life worshiping a fake God. Despite there being no logical debate for a God, they just have too much invested in the con.

[brainfreeze]

all right all those proofs of god really are proving things if you are biased to accept a bunch of assumptions that it is god only who can make this and that...
A bible is one of the smartest books ever written - no doubt - but HERE is an empirical evidence that Bible despite its wisdom and good advice is a 100 percent human written book.
Who wants to google the history of Zoroastrianism? A human made religion that was the first monotheistic religion in the documented history. Written by a guy who doesnt claim to be a son of God or anybody great. He developed a concept of paradise and hell and many other theological concepts for the society to be better. It became a state religion in Persia around 650 bc.
What did jews have back then? Exodus and a few other old testament which are mainly historical, but not a whole lot of theology in there, raping and pillaging of villages.
What happens in 550? Persia conquers Jewish lands. Result? Other 40 books of old testament are written and theology is nearly the same as Zoroastrian.
350 - Persia is defeated by alexander the great - zoroastrianism vanishes as a state religion made by man, but jews are claiming their plagiarised version is Holy and one and only true.
That's how lack of historical insight makes people debate using some assumptions when we can just track the history of events a bit preceding 2000 bc and everything is clear

Any thoughts or comments?

Yea it's a lie... Yahweh is the first ...and will be the last, I don't care how some want to believe history. It's up to us to study it out and accept it. They say Sumerians are the first known ancient civilization and they believed in " annunaki " or sky people ... If you want to believe exodus was the " only " book of the Jews up to you to believe that it's not the truth though... Moses wrote several books, King Solomon did as well, then the prophets and so on... None of these books came from zoroastrian ...

and guess what " ancient Jews " didn't believe in a hell, they believed in a Sheol ... A place for the sleeping dead. Just something to think about while you ponder the idea.

[bobbywaves]

Not even going to bother to watch the video.

Wouldn't expect you to watch video. Atheists get absolutely buried, with their homes ransacked.

Atheists wouldnt view it as a nightmare to actually have proof God existed.

Fellow atheist Maggietheworstdog disagrees with you:

That certainly was a nightmare

Out of the whole US population, only 2.4% self identified as "atheist". Fortunately, these atheist views are in the vast minority.

[maggiethebestdog]

Wouldn't expect you to watch video. Atheists get absolutely buried, with their homes ransacked.



Fellow atheist Maggietheworstdog disagrees with you:



Out of the whole US population, only 2.4% self identified as "atheist". Fortunately, these atheist views are in the vast minority.

Everything in your post is 100% fact free and untrue. Or as you would call it, par for the course. Your ignorance is astounding.

[bobbywaves]

Everything in your post is 100% fact

Wow, we agree on something.

[Nitrogen]

Out of the whole US population, only 2.4% self identified as "atheist". Fortunately, these atheist views are in the vast minority.

If only 2.4% were revealed to believe in a god (the # does get smaller each year), would it cause you to start questioning your own belief?

[statnerds]

If only 2.4% were revealed to believe in a god (the # does get smaller each year), would it cause you to start questioning your own belief?

well posed Nitrogen. heard a stat i found somewhat astounding the other day. belief in god is higher among college educated whites than non-college educated whites.

and bobby's stat is just silly. do you truly believe all 321 million citizens were asked? the internals on your source would reveal how data was gathered. then you could look for missteps in the procedures. beyond that, it also ties directly into:

The Clergy Project.

you type as if there is no societal pressure for people to not identify as atheist. 20 or 30 years ago, you could be risking your livelihood by admitting such. still has a stigma, but socially the wheels are turning.

[statnerds]

Only way we will find life on other planets ...is if we put it there first and take pictures, and tell the world " look, life on another planet "!

[Snowball]

Any thoughts or comments?

Zoroaster, the Persian Magi, was inspired by God, but he does not predate the Old Testament
by any means, it was a thousand years before Zoroaster that the first scrolls of Hebrew encounter
with God were ""written", although certainly emphasis was on oral tradition in the past.
People tend to confuse the assembly of the various books of the Bible into one tome, which
didn't really start to occur until about 100 years before Jesus Christ (with differences between
the Hellenistic Jews and the Palestinian Jews) for example your Protestant Bible does not
include the books of the Hellenistic Jews. Before each "book" was a handful of scrolls, the elders
and scribles wrote down pieces but most was memorized. This disposition to memorize, verbally
hand down and sing, accustomize, and not write down (how much could be chiseled in stone,
how much could be written on papyrus, and all the difficulties, when 99% of all people were illiterate).
King David predates Zoroaster by at least 400 years. Zoroaster's descriptions
of the battle between the sons of darkness and sons of light was taken from the Enochian tradition.
It does not matter in this regard that the Persians conquered the Israelites, because the mixture of
religious beliefs flows both ways when cultures are brought together, that includes the Greeks and
others, such as the negative influences of the Babylonians and Egyptians which still plague us to
this day in the mystery cults and secret societies.
It was the Magi in the tradition of Zoroaster who were expecting the messiah, saw the cosmological
events that drew them to Bethlehem. Zoroastrianism should be seen as an Eastern partner in the
same tradition as Judaism, monotheistic as opposed to the Greeks and Romans, and Norse..
and various other nature-based fertility cults.. like Tammuz, Canaanites, Mayans..
in a similar way the Eastern Gnostics tried to meld their beliefs with the Gospel.
It is precisely the confusions and heresies still prevalent within these gnostic and dualist
structures that resulted in the heresy of Arianism and many others, such as Valentinus,
and Marcion, and many more.. people forget that Christians were called Atheists by
the Romans, and killed for believing a "man" could be God, just like they were killed by
the Jews for the same thing, and that the persistent avoidance or refusal to accept the
Man-God Savior resulted in the bloody, evil religion called Islam, which ironically tries to
dance around all of this, saying Jesus (Issa) was born of a virgin, and performed all the miracles
but was not crucified, went straight to heaven while Simon the Cyrene who carried his Cross
was crucified in his place, or that Jesus's image was crucified while he was not.
They did not invent that belief, it was an early Gnostic theory proposed by those who
said Christ was the Demiurge, not the full God, but still our Savior.
If you're interested in the intersection of Eastern philiosophies (which are with us today
in Freemasonry) with the Apostolic Age, I suggest Patrology Vol I by Johannes Questen
it is quite helpful to understand how the early church struggled to maintain apostolic truth
with all the other groups who sprung up in the first century trying to fit what happened
in with their own philosophies and biases. Everything they thought is still thought today !

[brainfreeze]

Yes snowball, the stories of the Old Testament were passed down orally through tradition ...before papyrus or scribes were ever thought of. You get it bro...

[maggiethebestdog]

Yes snowball, the stories of the Old Testament were passed down orally through tradition ...before papyrus or scribes were ever thought of. You get it bro...

I think we all know that stories told by mouth by a lot of people are always accurate.

[brainfreeze]

I think we all know that stories told by mouth by a lot of people are always accurate.

They lived for it, they died for these stories... Their ancestors were in these stories, their lives were in these stories, our God is in these stories... They made it appoint to be careful in mesmerizing them, these are Gods chosen, and they acted as such...

[brainfreeze]

Went to a baptist church this morning...awesome service, they played a song that I remember from nearly 20 years ago ...will share




God bless!!

[maggiethebestdog]

They lived for it, they died for these stories... Their ancestors were in these stories, their lives were in these stories, our God is in these stories... They made it appoint to be careful in mesmerizing them, these are Gods chosen, and they acted as such...

Well i certainly can't argue with those facts.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Bobbo that was literally the dumbest fuccking thing I have ever seen.

Jesus Christ what a baseless and semantic fuccking argument.

[brainfreeze]

I think we all know that stories told by mouth by a lot of people are always accurate.

They themselves being on the planet and history correlation are a living testament to that... Jesus Himself is Jewish... The Lion of Judah.

[bobbywaves]

Bobbo that was literally the dumbest fuccking thing I have ever seen.

Jesus Christ what a baseless and semantic fuccking argument.

Truth hurts, I get it. May Jesus Christ have mercy on your ignorant soul.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Truth hurts, I get it. May Jesus Christ have mercy on your ignorant soul.

You're an idiot.

[MoeSedway]

Truth hurts, I get it. May Jesus Christ have mercy on your ignorant soul.

That's a very Christian thing to say, Bobby.

[bobbywaves]

That's a very Christian thing to say, Bobby.

I thought so as well:

Ephesians 4:18

¹⁸ They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.


Luke 23:34

³⁴ And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”

[brainfreeze]

You're going to assume ignorance when there has never been a ounce of evidence for extraterrestrial life in the history of humanity? There are no aliens ... Period. Don't kid yourself...

Get in the Word people, read your Bibles, read the gospel of Jesus... Enjoy a new life,

Matthew 16:25

24Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. 26For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 27For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

[brainfreeze]

It's all fun and games until everything gets real and effects individuals personally...it's better to get to know our Maker before some crisis.. God bless

[bobbywaves]

there has never been a ounce of evidence for extraterrestrial life in the history of humanity? There are no aliens ... Period. Don't kid yourself.

There's a plethora of evidence, don't kid yourself:

[brainfreeze]

Now " mother " teresa moves to " saint " teresa...smh

http://knowledgenuts.com/2013/09/27/...k-and-a-fraud/

she was a fraud ...

[bobbywaves]

Now " mother " teresa moves to " saint " teresa.

Mother Theresa was always a saint, now it's just official.

[BigDofBA]

I laugh everyone time one of the "Christians" in this thread starts calling other people names....

Lol

Religion is BS but at least practice what you preach and don't be a hypocrite.

I'm still waiting for God to part a Sea so I'll have proof....I've never seen any of the miracles spoken of in the Bible come to fruition in my lifetime....I guess it's just a coincidence these things stopped when we got cameras, the Internet, and smart phones.

God could save all humanity by parting the sea or by letting someone live to 900 but he doesn't do it now that we can actually document it....it must be part of his awesome plan....the same plan that banishes the majority of mankind to hell. Lol

Also, can someone explain why people pray or ask God for stuff?

You have a 50/50 shot of it being answered. When it isn't answered people say it's all part of God's plan....if that's the case, why even pray? God will do whatever the penetrate he wants anyway....which will probably have to do with you worshipping him and living your entire life for him. Lol

[TheAntFather]

[brainfreeze]

Amazing how you have time to come in here and post a blank pic, while never visiting the betpoint section where you are in debt to trytrytry...