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    Bovada Has Frozen My Account!!!

    Update by SBR: The poster has confirmed that the routine audit has been completed and that his issue is resolved.

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    I deposited money onto Bovada this past week (which I have not done in a very long time). The NFL season had me pumped up and I wanted to put a few hundred dollars onto the site and go from there. My **** deposit for $200 was approved and I saw that Bovada also had a poker software (soon to be closing and being taken over by Ignition). I said what the heck and took my $200 to the poker table to play. I found pretty promptly someone sitting at 2/4 heads up so I jumped in and immediately started winning versus this guy. Without knowing for sure the timeframes or anything, I probably was up 1,000 in less than 30 minutes. The guy appeared drunk just judging from his play and he was cussing me out in the chat box (which I ignored). The player told me something along the lines of “higher stakes or I'm quitting” –he was obviously mad and upset about losing. So I agreed to play him (this time at PLO –Pot Limit Omaha at 5/10). PLO is my favorite game, and my better game honestly, I always play PLO if my local casinos have it running rather than Texas Holdem. As far as playing 5/10, it was a little out of my comfort zone but I had a drink or two myself and as far as I was concerned I was “playing on house money” versus a really tilted player, and if I got unlucky or lost then I was just out the $200 I deposited, but I figured with how frustrated/drunk/ etc. this guy was at the time, if I got lucky and the cards went my way, I couldn’t potentially win a lot of money. At this time, we were playing on 6max tables, and a few people started to join, but I wanted this guy to myself and he also expressed he wanted “HEADS UP only” in the chat box. Nevertheless, some players would not grant the request for us to play heads up and we moved tables a few times to be able to play 1 versus 1. (one time the player who sat down actually played a hand and I took his whole $1,000 buying on his very first hand). Like I said I was running very hot and hitting cards right and left. I kept not only getting huge hands, but my opponents were “trapped” just being in there with 2nd best (hands that one would assume would normally be the winner---just not on this particular day) …..in short, it looked like it was just my day to win. Various theories out there such as “new player luck, aka “BOOMSWITCH” since I had not played poker on there in such a long time. Whatever it was, it was awesome and I was excited to be winning so much. After not a ton of time, I ended up turning $200 into $5,900…. almost all of it from the tilted (and presumably drunk) person, with the exception of the $1000 or so win I got from the player that hopped in while I was playing 1 versus 1 versus the drunk guy at a 6max table. I sent in all my documents, my ID, my credit card authorization form, and then requested a bitcoin payout for the entire amount and went to sleep. I know myself, and the reason I cashed out 100% of the money was simple, I knew if I had access to that kind of money, I would play those high stakes again the next day and probably lose most, if not all of my money back (because I am a recreational poker player, I am in no way a professional or anything). The plan, was after the payout was approved and in my bitcoin account, I would simply deposit a much smaller amount and be on the ultimate freeroll in my mind. Sounds great right?......I woke up to find out that my account had been disabled due to “suspicious activity” and they would be looking into it. I am a mild mannered person, so I gave it several days (they told me 48 hours). It has been 4-5 days now and my account is still disabled (with my contacting them each and every single day about this). Whomever I spoke with at Bovada told me that they had REASON TO BELIEVE I KNEW THE PERSON I WAS PLAYING. I was completely shell-shocked and didn’t know what to make of this. I rarely play poker and anyone I know in the poker community are friends that I play a micro stakes game at home. As of now, the money is still frozen with no word from either Bovada OR Ignition. What motivation would I have to know who I am playing versus and take their money? Maybe I am missing something, but somebody PLEASE help me here. I did my research before depositing on Bovada and heard nothing but good things about their ease of deposit methods and their relatively prompt payouts. $5,900 is a TON of money to me, I am not a high stakes player by nature, I just had a little liquid courage that night myself. I feel like Bovada is trying to cheat me out of this money, and I have been given no answers to why my account is still locked…. after all, I was looking forward to betting football (both college and NFL) this weekend. First and foremost, I am trying to give Bovada the benefit of the doubt here, but so far they have been nothing but extremely vague and not forthcoming with what I can expect, or WHEN I CAN EXPECT to see money that I 100% legitimately earned at their very own poker tables. Somebody please reach out, I have heard this site is great at these sorts of things (after all, I used sportsbookreview.com to lookup if Bovada was a good place to put my money in the first place and it is rated an A or A+)

    Please some sort of management contact Bovada on my behalf as I am getting nowhere with them and their so called “customer support” or their so called “risk management team”

    Best regards,

    Taylor
    Last edited by SBR Forum; 10-06-16 at 01:29 PM. Reason: added update

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    Hi Taylor,

    If you have not tried to cheat or dump chips to/from a friend at the poker tables then you should have nothing to worry about.

    5 days is not a long time for them to investigate. There is no point contacting regular CS daily.

    If you are not happy with the result after Bovada have given you a decision then SBR may be able to help.

    Until then sit tight and lets hope they clear you.
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    Time Frame

    What is the realistic time frame for me to wait?

    $5900 is a TON of money to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by miles23212 View Post
    What is the realistic time frame for me to wait?

    $5900 is a TON of money to me
    Hard to know as they will have to wait for an expert to review the hand history and the more players involved the longer it can take. But a week or so would not be too unusual for this stuff.

    It sounds like the guy played so badly the software could have detected what it thought was chip dumping. And you as a new depositor going straight to poker and doing that and then immediately wanting to withdraw it all probably fits the profile too.

    The third player jumping in and immediately dropping 1k to you probably looks like a potential chip dump as well.

    People try to transfer money to each other like that quite often and they look for it closely. But it should not matter how suspicious it looks if you genuinely have no connection to the other players. They 'should' be able to work that out.

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    BTW, if you did try to transfer money from a friend that way it will probably be best to tell them 100% of the story and try to convince them it's no more than two friends making an error and hope they credit all the money back to the original accounts, rather than treat it like money laundering and not release any of it.

    Not much you can do until the poker security dept reports back though.

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    If you are telling the truth, file a sbr complaint immediately do not wait for bovada to "get back to you". Can you access the poker client at all? If so request/download your hand history file. If the story is as you say post some hands, particularly the one with the 3rd player joining, getting it all in 1st hand, losing then leaving.


    If you call back Bovada, immediately ask to speak with a supervisor, don't say anything to their rep except to verify who are until the supervisor is on the phone. But IMO download hand history > file a sbr complaint and see if they can help out with the situation.

    what happens to the money if two players sitting at a table alone are accused of chip dumping on Bovada?

    Do they get to just keep $6k? MBN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonal View Post
    If you are telling the truth, file a sbr complaint immediately do not wait for bovada to "get back to you". Can you access the poker client at all? If so request/download your hand history file. If the story is as you say post some hands, particularly the one with the 3rd player joining, getting it all in 1st hand, losing then leaving.


    If you call back Bovada, immediately ask to speak with a supervisor, don't say anything to their rep except to verify who are until the supervisor is on the phone. But IMO download hand history > file a sbr complaint and see if they can help out with the situation.

    what happens to the money if two players sitting at a table alone are accused of chip dumping on Bovada?

    Do they get to just keep $6k? MBN.
    well if it was chip dumping it was probably a fraudulent credit card deposit so they have to refund it to **** or whoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonal View Post
    Do they get to just keep $6k? MBN.
    It goes to the regulator who holds it for a statutory period to allow any claims, before distributing it in some way. Often to problem gambling support services.

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    -600 this story is chip dumping and or fraud credit card deposits

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    U decided to join the forum after u scammed bovada

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    The whole story does sound a bit too good to be true lol

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    Ironic that you switch to PLO where it's a lot harder to catch cheating and chip dumping. Bovada is actually quite good at finding cheaters and bots. They investigated my account and froze it one time when I was playing 10/20 because they weren't sure if my account was hacked.
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    lots of holes in this story.....you deposited 200 to play NFL.....then get in a 5-10 game and after winning decide to immediality cash out? If you're playing on house money (Your term as that's why you switched to a higher limit table) why not play football for a few weeks and see what happens? Very cynical world we live in but something smells fishy here

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    Poker audits are routine especially when there are red flag. There should be nothing to worry about if there's no fraudulent activity or chip-dumping one way or the other. Keep us posted, and write us if you'd like us to ask management for comment on any of the specifics, though it sounds like the review is already underway from what you've shared with the board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USCPHILLYGUY View Post
    lots of holes in this story.....you deposited 200 to play NFL.....then get in a 5-10 game and after winning decide to immediality cash out? If you're playing on house money (Your term as that's why you switched to a higher limit table) why not play football for a few weeks and see what happens? Very cynical world we live in but something smells fishy here
    He also planned on withdrawing the whole amount and depositing a smaller amount? Why not just withdraw most of the balance and not all?

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    sound like you and your buddy should've just got the credit card info and stole shit the old fashion way, by headin' down to Best Buy, Target, the good ol Sprint Store, and loaded up on electronics and I phones......

    fuk runnin' it through Blowvada.... theives know how to catch other theives.....

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    ps... send me a $5k retainer on a credit card similar to that used for the mark's buy ins, and I'll get right on the case.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusherrr View Post
    He also planned on withdrawing the whole amount and depositing a smaller amount? Why not just withdraw most of the balance and not all?
    In OP's defense, bovada is doing the 100% match up to 250. I'd probably do a full withdrawal and deposit 250 right back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7deuceoff$uit View Post
    In OP's defense, bovada is doing the 100% match up to 250. I'd probably do a full withdrawal and deposit 250 right back.
    might have more credibility if he had mentioned that was the reason in his post

    see you're doing well in beat the prick.............turning pro soon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by USCPHILLYGUY View Post
    might have more credibility if he had mentioned that was the reason in his post

    see you're doing well in beat the prick.............turning pro soon?
    My mistake... he said deposit a small amount andbe on the ultimate free roll. I thought he was talking about the bonus. And we'll see where I'm at in the BTP standings going into week 10 before I decide. Lol! Yeah I'm sure I will. Buffalo Wild Wings gift card sounds worth it.

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    My eyes hurt trying to read that so I stopped after the first 3 words. People who can't form proper, coherent paragraphs are most likely not telling 100% truths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBR Forum View Post
    Poker audits are routine especially when there are red flag. There should be nothing to worry about if there's no fraudulent activity or chip-dumping one way or the other. Keep us posted, and write us if you'd like us to ask management for comment on any of the specifics, though it sounds like the review is already underway from what you've shared with the board.

    I agree. It's been less than a week LOL. But then again I had to wait 6 months for a payout from Bovada. ($1000) That was many moons ago.

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    A whole lot of bullshit involved in this story!


    There is no way that this is not collusion

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7deuceoff$uit View Post
    In OP's defense, bovada is doing the 100% match up to 250. I'd probably do a full withdrawal and deposit 250 right back.
    From Bovada T&C: Bonus abuse may be defined as (but not restricted to) clients cashing out for the purpose of redepositing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krashman View Post
    From Bovada T&C: Bonus abuse may be defined as (but not restricted to) clients cashing out for the purpose of redepositing
    He didn't say if he used it once yet and their promo says it's unlimited bitcoin, but I guess bovada calls the shots on this. There is a thread for it, and guys are claiming they've used it multiple times. It's only good until Oct 3rd though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tatddy View Post
    My eyes hurt trying to read that so I stopped after the first 3 words. People who can't form proper, coherent paragraphs are most likely not telling 100% truths.
    This....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7deuceoff$uit View Post
    He didn't say if he used it once yet and their promo says it's unlimited bitcoin, but I guess bovada calls the shots on this. There is a thread for it, and guys are claiming they've used it multiple times. It's only good until Oct 3rd though.
    It's definitely not because of this.

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    guess this was relatively common procedure, bovada reviewed hand histories and found nothing out of the ordinary so they said to expect my bitcoin in approximately 48 hours. As a side note, there sure are a lot of people quick to judge without asking / knowing anything. I submitted credit card verification forms and my ID when I requested Cash out, so I have ABSOLUTELY ZERO idea where these credit card fraud accusations are coming from. Anyway, glad to be reporting that Bovada got it right on this issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miles23212 View Post
    guess this was relatively common procedure, bovada reviewed hand histories and found nothing out of the ordinary so they said to expect my bitcoin in approximately 48 hours. As a side note, there sure are a lot of people quick to judge without asking / knowing anything. I submitted credit card verification forms and my ID when I requested Cash out, so I have ABSOLUTELY ZERO idea where these credit card fraud accusations are coming from. Anyway, glad to be reporting that Bovada got it right on this issue.
    Great news Miles.

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    good to hear

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    and i apologize if my posts in this thread seemed to "rush to judgment", but hey that's the M'FN AMERICAN WAY!!!!!

    GLAD u got ur cash! congrats!

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    Quote Originally Posted by miles23212 View Post
    guess this was relatively common procedure, bovada reviewed hand histories and found nothing out of the ordinary so they said to expect my bitcoin in approximately 48 hours. As a side note, there sure are a lot of people quick to judge without asking / knowing anything. I submitted credit card verification forms and my ID when I requested Cash out, so I have ABSOLUTELY ZERO idea where these credit card fraud accusations are coming from. Anyway, glad to be reporting that Bovada got it right on this issue.
    Not your credit card fraud the guys that chip dumped to you and then you'll split the money with them while they contest their charges. Apparently bovada is soft at getting scammed because this is definitely that no matter what you try to say

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    Quote Originally Posted by goduke View Post

    Not your credit card fraud the guys that chip dumped to you and then you'll split the money with them while they contest their charges. Apparently bovada is soft at getting scammed because this is definitely that no matter what you try to say

    He wouldn't be getting paid if there was any evidence of that.

    The other guy may not have deposited that way. Or could have been well enough verified they could see it wasn't that sort of fraud. Or had a history of blowing off thousands...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    He wouldn't be getting paid if there was any evidence of that.

    The other guy may not have deposited that way. Or could have been well enough verified they could see it wasn't that sort of fraud. Or had a history of blowing off thousands...
    I honestly don't believe him saying he got paid then. Did sbr verify it or are we just going on what he said? There's no way a book is this bad at seeing how obvious this is

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