[brainfreeze]

I could cheat, but it's not in my character as demonstrated here 100% of the time (although I understand your position is different based on an ignorance you don't wish to correct, it doesn't change reality). I'm not in a big rush to get into a point wager with a stiff, but it's unsurprisingly a moot point, as you dodge any challenge that's not mainly participation-based (that's 'dodge', present tense or implied future, look those up before you tell us again about winning a bet one time).

If you ever want to start salvaging your reputation by following through on your claims, you know where to find me, DS, donk etc. Otherwise, pay what you owe or GTFO

Freakin bob..

All I've got to say about that one after reading some of his responses here...

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Sorry freezer, but it's near impossible that you're ahead 90% of the time or that you lose a disproportionate amount of times you are. At the very least, making that claim without data is pointless; because of how our brains process information, we're extremely bad at accurately remembering these kinds of things, even though we think we're good at it. It's an extremely well known phenomena in general and in poker, and it's something everyone needs to come to terms with before they're ready to adjust their game in the long run. This is something that people either come to terms with and advance, or don't and don't.

Here I might could agree a bit, I can't say on such minuscule details I could remember every exact detail of every hand. So i can't honestly say " 90% " better wording would have been to say " it feels like 90% " ... There's other aspects also that I'm not figuring in, running good or bad, bad calls or good ones I've made a few hands before being ahead in a all outright shove ... So yea, here ...on this, I can back track on wording there..

. Ain't that the truth! We all want it to grow, and unsurprisingly, there are multiple desired directions to grow. What undermines that is the lack of effective follow-through by SBR though...growing a community is near impossible without the desire or ability to implement almost all suggested changes. SBR might very well have great reasons for that, and personally, I'd be willing to accept "it's simply not important enough to the business model to spend many resources on"...but you have to admit that community growth can't happen without SBR making a little more effort. Responding to constructive criticism and 'rigged' claims alike would be a good baby step.

i agree with some of this to. If sbr wants it to grow as I know most if not all of us want it to, my opinion on a few things would be better communication in this area and taking some of the REALLY good ideas of the sbr team and posters here into consideration... Like on final tourney blind structures, is a good one and new creative ideas for contest ... Also if the poker client goes down, would be nice to have a thread, with big ATTENTION wording to let players know they don't have to keep deleting the software and reinstalling because it's not them (done it a few times) lol... Other than those small things, I can see this growing for people who just like poker regardless..

cheers trip

[daneblazer]

So let's be honest here, nobody has near enough data to say whether or not SBR Poker is "rigged" in some way. All we have is snap shots of bad beats from various posters. Bad beats happen all the time. There may be 10 players who if they maintained a database could plug their data into a pivot table or spread sheet somehow to see if specific combinations of hands hold up the percentage of time they should. So throwing out the common sense notion that nobody has enough hands and there is absolutely no motive for SBR to rig anything, lets look at logical explanations.

1. Cognitive & Negative Bias. People tend to remember the bad worse than the good. It's a natural human survival mechanism. You can't remember the 3 hands you won as a favorite during the 3pm tournament yesterday, nor the time your JJ hit a set on the flop vs KK two days ago, but you can bet your ass you can remember the runner runner flush that knocked you out of the tournament from 14 weeks ago. You add all the bad memories vs forgetting all the good and it sure does seem like the software is "out to get you!"

2. The play here. I know everyone here sees themselves as Phil Galfond or Tom Dwan, including myself, but the fact is that the play on SBR is very novice. I've used tracking software to track the play here at times…you get a lot of 40+ vpip players in tournaments and 50-60+vpip players in cash games. That means the players play 40 to 60% of the hands that they are dealt. That's looser than your girlfriend after a night out with AutoDonk. You combine these stations and bad lags together on one table and you're going to see more "bad beats" because there are more hands played, more flops and showdowns seen, and often times more multi-way hands played. That's not even counting the amount of times someone butchers the hand by offering great calling odds and flat out checks down and "gets sucked out on". It's not variance when you play the hand poorly. Even the tight players vs lags and stations are going to get sucked out on fairly often here because there are more opportunities to do so. I know of one specific player here who has been called an employee, lucky, SBR favorite, maybe even a cheater…by multiple posters over the last 6-7 years. He plays super lag and gets in players heads causing them to dump off the rest of their chips then they create SBR is Rigged threads on the forum. He's probably the genesis of half the rigged threads. In the long run…the cream rises to the top. You play well, keep your cool, you're going to come out ahead. Particularly on SBR.

3. The amount of opportunities to play. You can go to a casino and play more hands in one day than you can in an entire week on SBR due to the 1 a day limitation. So when you run bad because of #2 above, it can get really bad in your head due to #1 above. There isn't much of an opportunity to make up ground by playing volume when you are running bad on SBR. And run bad happens…to everybody.

[Auto Donk]

the key to sbr poker, dammit, is to get it in behind... way behind.... you have to play the software....

prime examples, the two "winning" hands I was in while taking down a rigged shitfest the other day, where I'd obviously been "picked" to win by sbr's equalizer based programming, are as follows:

to felt 3rd place:

The Donk: 10 J
Donk's Victim: AJ

preflop, I shove on his bb, with a bunch of chips behind it, he has 5-6k behind the bb and instacalls.... flop blanks, turn 10, river blank...

the final hand to felt No1here:

The Donk: Q9 off
The Donk's victim: AA

all in preflop, Victim calls;

flop: 9 9 blank
turn: blank
river: q

Don't Fuk With The Donk!!!!!

So, quit fukkin' whining about "Shithole Be Rigged Poker"^​tm.

Learn how to get your f'n chips in behind!!!! Trust the f'n "rig"!!! Take everything you know about how to actually play REAL poker, throw it out the f'n window, and play your shitty hands.... Build up fold equity for about ten hands, and jam that mother fukkin' J7 offsuit right into f'n ak, aq, 88, qq, or any other real hand.... you won't be disappointed!!!!!

PS... I owe a shoutout to Opti, as well, for my third favorite hand of the trny.... I'm sitting there relatively early, chip leader with about 7k in chips, about 30 mins or so into the trny, and I'm dealt A3. Opti The Great is over there with pocket tens....

I may have minraised, but long story short, opti comes along with his tens and we see a flop....

Flop: 9 3 3 .... chips wind up all in; Opti, who was second/third in chips with about 5900, hits the rail, leaving The Donk with a massive 5 to 1 chip lead over the the player now second on the leaderboard....

when you draw the black bean to win, nothing stands in your way!!!!

[Auto Donk]

ps. to dane.... no way in hell the play could be that f'n loose.....

[daneblazer]

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[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

I know of one specific player here who has been called an employee, lucky, SBR favorite, maybe even a cheater…by multiple posters over the last 6-7 years. He plays super lag and gets in players heads causing them to dump off the rest of their chips then they create SBR is Rigged threads on the forum. He's probably the genesis of half the rigged threads.

In the long run…the cream rises to the top. You play well, keep your cool, you're going to come out ahead. Particularly on SBR.

[bobbywaves]

I'm not in a big rush to get into a point wager

Of course you're not in a big rush to bet me. I already took your sorry ass for 29k & you're a current broke dikk, with 500 to your name.

If you accept my 2017 wager you will have to post up with Yisman, since you're a proven thief. I strongly suggest you start generating some pts, your measly 500 pts is hardly worth my time & effort.

[bobbywaves]

Freakin bob..

All I've got to say about that one after reading some of his responses here.

Freakin Freeze.

All I've got to say after reading his complaints about free poker.

[SharpAngles]

I know of one specific player here who has been called an employee, lucky, SBR favorite, maybe even a cheater…by multiple posters over the last 6-7 years. He plays super lag and gets in players heads causing them to dump off the rest of their chips then they create SBR is Rigged threads on the forum. He's probably the genesis of half the rigged threads. In the long run…the cream rises to the top. You play well, keep your cool, you're going to come out ahead. Particularly on SBR.

RIP Centaur

[daneblazer]

ps. to dane.... no way in hell the play could be that f'n loose.....

I'm slow...just got it

[Triple_D_Bet]

Freakin bob..

All I've got to say about that one after reading some of his responses here...


Here I might could agree a bit, I can't say on such minuscule details I could remember every exact detail of every hand. So i can't honestly say " 90% " better wording would have been to say " it feels like 90% " ... There's other aspects also that I'm not figuring in, running good or bad, bad calls or good ones I've made a few hands before being ahead in a all outright shove ... So yea, here ...on this, I can back track on wording there..




i agree with some of this to. If sbr wants it to grow as I know most if not all of us want it to, my opinion on a few things would be better communication in this area and taking some of the REALLY good ideas of the sbr team and posters here into consideration... Like on final tourney blind structures, is a good one and new creative ideas for contest ... Also if the poker client goes down, would be nice to have a thread, with big ATTENTION wording to let players know they don't have to keep deleting the software and reinstalling because it's not them (done it a few times) lol... Other than those small things, I can see this growing for people who just like poker regardless..

cheers trip

Even when you train yourself to deal with the stats and not what they feel like, there are still times when it feels like 90%...just have to power through that emotion and proceed rationally. Far easier said than done, but it's one of the things that separates the few who can make a living at it from the rest

Of course you're not in a big rush to bet me. I already took your sorry ass for 29k & you're a current broke dikk, with 500 to your name.

If you accept my 2017 wager you will have to post up with Yisman, since you're a proven thief. I strongly suggest you start generating some pts, your measly 500 pts is hardly worth my time & effort.

...and of course you can't find a point to make without editing someone else's words and responding to them. You've already made it clear you're running away from anything that's not "who can play the most over an entire year", nothing more to see here...either pay DS what you owe him or be a good little stiff and go away.

[mikejamm]

Fwiw there's a big difference between SBR "cheating the players" and SBR using outdated software that deals action hands where one side is pretty sure to go broke. Bodog was notorious for this back in the day and SBR is using that same pile of shit software so do you blame anyone for bringing it up?

All I'm say'in here. Albeit in a much more fuk'ed up tone, in part to drinking and just never catch'in the same fuk'in breaks around here. Even when I do play sober and use correct strategy, the result is still the same. Been do'in this shit long enough now to recognize a consistent pattern.

[RudyRuetigger]

Fill us in Dane...only person I could think of is only played a very short time 5-6 yrs ago