[dlowilly]

This isn't that recent but it's the first I've heard about it

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...t-8468800.html

Talk about hypocrisy!

[Buffalo Nickle]

This isn't that recent but it's the first I've heard about it

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...t-8468800.html

Talk about hypocrisy!

Most Jews have so much Aryan in them, they hardly qualify as Jews. Ethiopean Jews are direct descendants of Abraham, therefore, are inferior.

[gauchojake]

unconscionable

[Russian Rocket]

Ethiopian Jews? Shiiiit...that's gotta be like Thin Mints cone special from Baskin Robbins secret menu.

[Midoohadi]

Israel (Zionists) is the worst country in existence, just because they were treated horribly 80 years ago will never make up for 1% for the horrible things they have done in return...

[MinnesotaFats]

Interesting debate.... does a government have a right or responsibility to its citizens to sterilize illegal immigrants while simultaneously engaging in humanitarian acts such as relocating refugee or quasi citizens.

[dlowilly]

Interesting debate.... does a government have a right or responsibility to its citizens to sterilize illegal immigrants while simultaneously engaging in humanitarian acts such as relocating refugee or quasi citizens.

Debate? There are several movies a year condemning WWII Germany and the Nazis, and it turns out Israel, a country created because of what happened to Jews in WWII, are pulling the same shit!

[mohye1980]

Donald needs to drop a nuke in the Middle East and get rid of the problems.

[rkelly110]

Most Jews have so much Aryan in them, they hardly qualify as Jews. Ethiopean Jews are direct descendants of Abraham, therefore, are inferior.

Correct. Documentary I saw confirmed that with DNA testing.

[MinnesotaFats]

Debate? There are several movies a year condemning WWII Germany and the Nazis, and it turns out Israel, a country created because of what happened to Jews in WWII, are pulling the same shit!

Germany acted against it's citizens in a domestic genocide.

Isreal is supplying relief and refuge, under questionable religious grounds, in a state of war, to persons that would drain it's limited resources. To make contingent this type of relocation a period of sterilization is not ridiculous, but rather practice in my opinion. It's be similar if the US denounced children of illegals, reverting to pre 1870s law, where only children of naturalized citizens were citizens, as opposed to today's version of "just have the kid north of the Rio". Isreal just thinking ahead 20 years to preserve its Jewish traditions. If the population were to be watered down with African or Moorish bloodlines, then Isreal would cease to exist. Yet in their defense they still give shelter to those in need. Under the circumstances I see nothing objectionable in this policy. It's not a right to be Isreali, it's not Isreals obligation to pay for your baby.

[mohye1980]

Germany acted against it's citizens in a domestic genocide.

Isreal is supplying relief and refuge, under questionable religious grounds, in a state of war, to persons that would drain it's limited resources. To make contingent this type of relocation a period of sterilization is not ridiculous, but rather practice in my opinion. It's be similar if the US denounced children of illegals, reverting to pre 1870s law, where only children of naturalized citizens were citizens, as opposed to today's version of "just have the kid north of the Rio". Isreal just thinking ahead 20 years to preserve its Jewish traditions. If the population were to be watered down with African or Moorish bloodlines, then Isreal would cease to exist. Yet in their defense they still give shelter to those in need. Under the circumstances I see nothing objectionable in this policy. It's not a right to be Isreali, it's not Isreals obligation to pay for your baby.

Donald should put this into play in America. Get on it Mr. Donald.

[ManOfValue]

Read about it a while back. Jewry is always a sensitive subject.

[dlowilly]

Germany acted against it's citizens in a domestic genocide.

Isreal is supplying relief and refuge, under questionable religious grounds, in a state of war, to persons that would drain it's limited resources. To make contingent this type of relocation a period of sterilization is not ridiculous, but rather practice in my opinion. It's be similar if the US denounced children of illegals, reverting to pre 1870s law, where only children of naturalized citizens were citizens, as opposed to today's version of "just have the kid north of the Rio". Isreal just thinking ahead 20 years to preserve its Jewish traditions. If the population were to be watered down with African or Moorish bloodlines, then Isreal would cease to exist. Yet in their defense they still give shelter to those in need. Under the circumstances I see nothing objectionable in this policy. It's not a right to be Isreali, it's not Isreals obligation to pay for your baby.

Word for word one of the most hypocritical posts I've seen on the internet

Israel is doing it to preserve it's Jewishness and protect it's bloodlines. Germany was just being mean I guess.

You just rationalized a government suppressing the fertility of people without their knowledge. Write another paragraph or two if you'd like, but that's what you did.

[themike78]

Jews are bad people. Almost as bad as the negroes. Hopefully the United States can participate in this.

[khicks26]

Jews are bad people. Almost as bad as the negroes. Hopefully the United States can participate in this.

Thank You Adolf.

[19th Hole]

US Government Program Forced Sterilization Of Hispanic Women


New details have emerged about a sinister program in California to perform state-sanctioned forced sterilization of Hispanic women without their consent over six decades.


http://www.mintpressnews.com/212400-2/212400/

[grease lightnin]

Jews are bad people. Almost as bad as the negroes. Hopefully the United States can participate in this.

Who are the good people?

[gauchojake]

US Government Program Forced Sterilization Of Hispanic Women


New details have emerged about a sinister program in California to perform state-sanctioned forced sterilization of Hispanic women without their consent over six decades.


http://www.mintpressnews.com/212400-2/212400/

I don't think it had an appreciable effect

[xdodger19]

Trump is a zionist puppet, zionists control the us military,the central banking cartel, the major media,
and they did 911
They figure americans are a bunch of idiots,

[Snowball]

Israel, a country created because of what happened to Jews in WWII, are pulling the same shit!

except for the Balfour Declaration
was 1917 and many newspaper ads
said 6 million were dying decades before
WW2.

[MinnesotaFats]

Word for word one of the most hypocritical posts I've seen on the internet

Israel is doing it to preserve it's Jewishness and protect it's bloodlines. Germany was just being mean I guess.

You just rationalized a government suppressing the fertility of people without their knowledge. Write another paragraph or two if you'd like, but that's what you did.

The comparison is apples and oranges. Jews in Germany were citizens of a state. The oppression that occurred was pure genocide and a violation of the human rights granted to other German citizens- a practice we call racism.

The story we are discussing here is no about Isreali citizens, so Isreal has no obligation to protect them or their rights. What we are discussing is whether or not sterilization can be a contingency, for whatever rational, for admission to a church state that doesn't fully recognize your right to enter, but does so out of humane reasons. In other words, does a government or governing body of a church state have a duty to its citizens, congregation and tax payers to protect future generations from religious dilution by slowing a birth rate??

Nazi Germany had a duty to protect its citizens, it failed.

[rkelly110]

US Government Program Forced Sterilization Of Hispanic Women


New details have emerged about a sinister program in California to perform state-sanctioned forced sterilization of Hispanic women without their consent over six decades.


http://www.mintpressnews.com/212400-2/212400/

Fake news. Your article says 1909. Tubal ligation didn't start until the 30's. Today they can do it through the
belly button. Back then they would have to open them up or do it when they do a cesarean which was rare back then.

From wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubal_ligation

Tubal ligation / Tubectomy/ BTL surgery
Background
Type Sterilization
First use 1930

[dlowilly]

The comparison is apples and oranges. Jews in Germany were citizens of a state. The oppression that occurred was pure genocide and a violation of the human rights granted to other German citizens- a practice we call racism.

The story we are discussing here is no about Isreali citizens, so Isreal has no obligation to protect them or their rights. What we are discussing is whether or not sterilization can be a contingency, for whatever rational, for admission to a church state that doesn't fully recognize your right to enter, but does so out of humane reasons. In other words, does a government or governing body of a church state have a duty to its citizens, congregation and tax payers to protect future generations from religious dilution by slowing a birth rate??

Nazi Germany had a duty to protect its citizens, it failed.

I understand your argument

And I'm saying it's bullshit

All the movies, all the war crimes tried at Nuremberg, all condemnations you still hear today...are not about mistreatment of a country's citizens, it's about crimes against humanity. In the USA, if a person is on our soil whether they are citizens or not, their human rights are protected under the constitution. I would agree that these Ethiopians maybe aren't qualified for the equivalent of state funded welfare or mandatory military service, but a human right such as being able to reproduce especially taken away without consent is unquestionably a crime against humanity.

If you really want to make this about citizenship, how many people were displaced and kicked off their land for the benefit of Israel? Please, just stop

[jtoler]

I remember reading about this a while back, no surprise. Dont understand the thread title, do you know the people that call themselves "jews" history? Do you realize how many countries theyve been kicked out of, so many that they had to go rape and occupy someone elses, u.s. is the only country that hasnt kicked them out and look at the u.s. now.

[SteelRain]

The story we are discussing here is no about Isreali citizens

The Ethiopians Jews are CITIZENS. They have been CITIZENS since they were literally air lifted into the country via Operation Solomon

Operation Solomon (Hebrew: מבצע שלמה‎‎, Mivtza Shlomo) was a covert Israeli military operation to airlift Ethiopian Jews to Israel in 1991. Non-stop flights of 35 Israeli aircraft, including Israeli Air ForceC-130s and El Al Boeing 747s, transported 14,325 Ethiopian Jews to Israel in 36 hours.^[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Solomon

The Ethiopians Jews that the Israeli government secretly sterilized where citizens of the state. They fought and died in the IDF fighting for Israel for decades. There is absolutely no excuse what Israel did to these people.

[bosigga]

If you really know anything about the Zionist state of Israel this is no surprise

[19th Hole]

Fake news. Your article says 1909. Tubal ligation didn't start until the 30's. Today they can do it through the
belly button. Back then they would have to open them up or do it when they do a cesarean which was rare back then.
From wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubal_ligation
Tubal ligation / Tubectomy/ BTL surgeryBackgroundType SterilizationFirst use 1930

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Not so fast Wikiman.

HTTP://NYTLIVE.NYTIMES.COM/WOMENINTHEWORLD/2016/02/02/FORCED-STERILIZATION-OF-HISPANIC-IMMIGRANT-WOMEN-FOCUS-OF-NEW-DOCUMENTARY/

WITWSTAFF02.02.16

MARIA FIGUEROA FROM "NO MÁS BEBÉS" (CREDIT: BILL BRYN RUSSEL)

In 1975, 10 Mexican immigrants sued the United States government, Los Angeles county doctors and the state of California for allegedly violating their civil rights. This moment in history is the focus of No Más Bebés – or, No More Babies – a documentary that aired on on PBS this week after premiering at the Los Angeles Film Festival last year. The film was directed and produced by Renee Tajima-Peña and Virginia Espino, a historian who wrote her dissertation on the film’s premise, according to NPR. It features five of the original complainants and four of the doctors who were involved.
The ten women in the case shared similar stories: all were admitted to the Los Angeles County-USC Medical Center during the 1960s and 1970s to give birth and left the hospital sterilized, told that they had signed consent forms for the procedure or advised by a medical professional that an emergency cesarean section would be the only chance to save the life of the baby and the mother. “I don’t remember signing the consent form,” Consuelo Hermosillo, told the LA Times last year. “They decided for me.” The consent forms were written in English, while many of the women only spoke Spanish and some of whom were denied pain medicine until the paperwork was signed.
The women sued the government, for having been sterilized without their consent, and the lawsuit, Madrigal v. Quilligan, was one of the first to use Roe v. Wade to argue a woman’s right to bear children.
Forced sterilizations of poor non-white women were common in the United States during the last century. Women of Native American, Puerto Rican, African-American descent in at least 30 states were privy to unwanted sterilizations funded by a government programs aimed at population control. California was responsible for one-third of these overall sterilizations, performed mostly on Spanish-speaking women.

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[Plaza23]

The US should be giving that to all the ghetto blacks in our country.

[19th Hole]

Fake news. Your article says 1909. Tubal ligation didn't start until the 30's. Today they can do it through the
belly button. Back then they would have to open them up or do it when they do a cesarean which was rare back then.

From wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubal_ligation

Tubal ligation / Tubectomy/ BTL surgery
Background
Type Sterilization
First use 1930

~~~~
Historic state marker located on the east lawn of the Indiana State Library in Indianapolis / Photo: Indiana Historical Bureau

History of Forced Sterilization and Current U.S. Abuses

BY KATHRYN KRASE | OCTOBER 1, 2014





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In 2013, thanks to the Center for Investigative Reporting, it came to light that dozens of female inmates in California had been illegally sterilized in recent years. The story was a salient reminder that forced sterilization, an issue that tends to be viewed as a tragic-but-past occurrence, continues today.
Sterilization abuse includes situations in which a woman does not know she is being sterilized as well as when she is coerced or deceived in order to obtain her consent to the procedure. Misinformation is a common tool; women are often told that their status — related to immigration, housing, government benefits, or parenting — will be negatively impacted if they do not consent to the procedure. Many women are told that the procedure is temporary or reversible.
Women in the United States and beyond have historically been subjected to coordinated efforts to control their fertility, including sterilization abuse. The burgeoning women’s movement in the 1960s, and growing concerns over limits to women’s reproductive rights at that time, helped focus concerns over sterilization abuse into action.
THE PUERTO RICAN EXPERIENCE

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A 1965 survey of Puerto Rican residents found that about one-third of all Puerto Rican mothers, ages 20-49, were sterilized. To put this figure in context, women of childbearing age in Puerto Rico in the 1960s were more than 10 times more likely to be sterilized than women from the United States. These shocking findings suggested that systematic bias influenced the practice of sterilization, not just in Puerto Rico, but in the United States as well.

Dr. Helen Rodriguez-Trias, the first Latina to be elected president of the American Public Health Association, was a founding member of Committee to End Sterilization Abuse / Photo: National Library of Medicine

Since the United States assumed governance of Puerto Rico in 1898, population control had been a major effort. The United States, citing concerns that overpopulation of the island would lead to disastrous social and economic conditions, instituted public policies aimed at controlling the rapid growth of the population. The passage of Law 116 in 1937 signified the institutionalization of the population control program.
This program, designed by the Eugenics Board, was intended to “catalyze economic growth,” and respond to “depression-era unemployment.” Both U.S. government funds and contributions from private individuals supported the initiative.
Instead of providing Puerto Rican women with access to alternative forms of safe, legal and reversible contraception, U.S. policy promoted the use of permanent sterilization. The procedure was so common in Puerto Rico at the time that it was simply referred to as “la operacion.”
Institutionalized encouragement of sterilization through the use of door-to-door visits by health workers, financial subsidy of the operation, and industrial employer favoritism toward sterilized women pushed women towards having a hysterectomy or tubal ligation (i.e., “tying the tubes”). The coercive strategies used by these institutions denied women access to informed consent.
More than one-third of the women in the 1968 study did not know that sterilization through tubal ligation was a permanent form of contraception. The euphemism “tying the tubes” made women think the procedure was easily reversible.

Read: Recommended bibliography on the sterilization of Puerto Rican women >

The practice of sterilization abuse was challenged by local coalitions. Puerto Rican women’s groups, along with the movement for Puerto Rican independence, took up the fight against the injustices of the campaign. The economically disadvantaged women of Puerto Rico lacked access to information that would make contraceptive alternatives available to them. By denying access to reproductive health services for the women who were most in need of them, U.S. policy exerted its control over the growth of the Puerto Rican population, as well as over the lives of many Puerto Rican women.
A warrior in the fight for women’s reproductive rights, Dr. Helen Rodriguez-Trias, summarized the situation in Puerto Rico: “Women make choices based on alternatives, and there haven’t been many alternatives in Puerto Rico.”
THE AMERICAN EXPERIENCE

U.S. women also are not strangers to forced sterilizations. As early as 1907, the United States had instituted public policy that gave the government the right “to sterilize unwilling and unwitting people.”
Laws, similar to Law 116, were passed in 30 states. These policies listed the insane, the “feeble-minded,” the “dependent,” and the “diseased” as incapable of regulating their own reproductive abilities, therefore justifying government-forced sterilizations. Legitimizing sterilization for certain groups led to further exploitation, as group divisions were made along race and class lines.
Some states, notably including North Carolina, set up Eugenics Boards in the early 20th century. These boards reviewed petitions from government and private agencies to impose sterilization on poor, unwed, and/or mentally disabled women, children and men. North Carolina alone sterilized over 7,600 individuals between the 1930 and 1970s.
In the early 1970s, Rodriguez-Trias was invited by a New York University Law School student organization to give a short talk about Puerto Rican sterilization abuse after viewing a related film. After her talk, Rodriguez-Trias was approached by a handful of audience members. Some were hospital workers who recalled stories of minority and disadvantaged women who were coerced into signing sterilization consent forms; full information on the procedure and its alternatives was not provided.
The case of a young woman, incarcerated by the New York City Police, was brought up in discussion. While being detained, the woman discovered she was pregnant and wished to have an abortion. She was taken to a public city hospital for the procedure. During counseling for the abortion, sterilization was offered as the best prevention of future unwanted pregnancies. Uninformed and misled, the young woman signed the papers and later regretted the procedure. In response to the treatment of this young woman and the many other disadvantaged women who had been coerced into giving up their reproductive rights, Rodriguez-Trias and a handful of other New Yorkers formed CESA, the Committee to End Sterilization Abuse.
As awareness of abuses increased, the call for action became stronger. In 1974, the U.S. Department of Health, Education and Welfare (HEW) — now the Department of Health and Human Services — published guidelines for sterilization procedures. These guidelines established a moratorium on sterilization of women under the age of 21 and on others without the legal ability to provide consent. A 72-hour waiting period between the signing of a consent form and the procedure was mandated.
A written statement that women would not lose their welfare benefits if they refused the sterilization procedure and reserved a woman’s right to change her mind and refuse the procedure anytime up until the surgery, even after granting original consent, served as informed consent. However, studies conducted by the ACLU and the Center for Disease Control in 1975 showed that noncompliance with the guidelines was widespread.
In the 1970s, New York City public hospitals were bearing the brunt of regional complaints. These hospitals were the major source of health care for the city’s economically disadvantaged, and consequently provided reproductive services for many of the city’s poor women. The Health and Hospitals Corporation (HHC), the group that oversees the City’s hospitals, became an important tool in the study, identification, and monitoring of sterilization abuse practices.
In early 1975, the HHC called on members of CESA, including Rodriguez-Trias, and members of other reproductive rights organizations, to serve on an ad hoc Advisory Committee on Sterilization Guidelines. The goal of the advisory committee was to set guidelines, like the HEW guidelines, for the public hospitals of New York City. These local guidelines hoped to promote the successful monitoring of sterilization practices.
By identifying the weaknesses of the HEW guidelines, the advisory committee drafted a more effective set of regulations that were aimed at protecting the rights of women who were mistreated in the past. The committee’s guidelines required a 30-day waiting period between the signing of the consent and the procedure. During this time, HHC hospitals were required to offer counseling services. These services were to be provided in the language that the woman spoke, and would not be given by the doctors themselves, but by a counselor removed from the clinical experience.
As part of the consent, the patient described her understanding of the procedure and the alternatives available, so that there was no doubt that she understood the permanence of the procedure. The guidelines suggested by the advisory committee became effective HHC rules on Nov. 1, 1975.
The guidelines set forth by the HHC could only be applied to the city’s public hospitals. In response, Public Law #37 was passed by the New York City Council in April of 1977, making the HHC guidelines the law of the city, applicable to both public and private facilities. Failure to comply with these regulations would result in a penalty. Public Law #37 was unique in that past guidelines were expanded to include the regulation of the practice of sterilization on men as well as women.
Beyond New York City, groups in other regions were pursuing similar goals. In Los Angeles, a group of 10 Mexican-American women successfully sued the County Hospital for denying them informed consent. These women, who only spoke Spanish, were coerced into signing consent forms in English; some were in labor and others were under anesthesia at the time of providing consent. After successful settlement of this case, L.A. County became more militant about following informed consent guidelines for sterilization.
In response to regional action, HEW redesigned its national guidelines for sterilization practices to embody the provisions of New York’s Public Law #37 in 1978. The national guidelines received widespread support from CESA as well as over 100 other regional and national organizations but also faced opposition from organizations that saw the guidelines as limiting women’s access to sterilization as a choice for contraception.
In response to recognition of past government abuse in North Carolina, the state set up the Office of Justice for Sterilization Abuse in 2011. This government entity seeks to identify victims of forced sterilization at the hands of the State’s Eugenics Board, and compensate them for the state’s actions against them.
ETHNICITY, RACE AND STERILIZATION ABUSE

Latina women in Puerto Rico, New York City, and California were specifically targeted by the government for sterilization throughout the 20th century. Black women have also long been the targets of population control and have been disproportionately affected by sterilization abuse. In North Carolina, a state noted for its discriminatory sterilization practices in the 20th century, 65 percent of sterilization procedures were performed on black women, even though only 25 percent of the state’s female population is black.
An often-cited 1973 case example of racism and sterilization abuse involves the Relf sisters. Katie, Minnie Lee and Mary Alice Relf, ages 17, 14 and 12 respectively, were the victims of discriminatory policies and programs funded by the U.S. government. Since they were receiving government benefits, the Relf family was determined to be ideal candidates for the Montgomery Community Action Committee’s Family Planning Service.
Katie, under the age of consent in Alabama at the time, was offered and given a series of Depo-Provera contraceptive shots. At that time, the shots were still in the investigational phase and not yet approved for administration on adult women, let alone adolescents. Katie was also scheduled for insertion of an IUD (intrauterine device). All forms of contraception were provided to Katie without parental permission, which was required in Alabama at the time. Minnie Lee and Mary Alice received tubal ligations; their mother was under the impression they were being seen for routine inoculations.

Read: Mother Jones profiles several survivors of North Carolina’s eugenics program >

The Relf lawsuit uncovered hundreds of thousands of similar cases in the region. Many of the women who were sterilized were sought out by these local federally funded centers, and threatened with the loss of government benefits for failure to comply. The women involved were overwhelmingly black women.
The court’s decision in the Relf case set guidelines for the use of federal funds for sterilization, and outlined the illegality of the use of coercion, especially through threats of loss of government benefits, for failure to participate in these programs.
THE EXPERIENCES OF NATIVE AMERICAN WOMEN

Similar to the experiences of Puerto Rican women and Black women in the United States, Native American women were subjected to coercive population control practices through much of the 20th century. The Indian Health Service, functioning under the control of HEW and the United States Public Health Service, began providing family planning services to Native American families in 1965. Instituting similar practices to those experienced in Puerto Rico, as many as 25% of Native American women between 15-44 years old were sterilized by the 1970s.
In the early 1970s, two Cheyenne girls in Montana entered an IHS hospital, on two separate occasions, for emergency appendectomies. While sedated the physicians sterilized both girls, without consent from the patients themselves, nor from their parents.
In many Native American cultures children are important for tribal survival. A woman’s ability to procreate is often seen as an important way for her to secure her place within her tribe. Sterilization abuse not only took away women’s rights to control their fertility, but negatively impacted their social and emotional health.
CONCERNS FOR THE PRESENT AND FUTURE

The less fortunate and poorly educated continue to be denied the reproductive freedoms available to other women, and entitled by all.
Recent concerns regarding sterilization abuse involve incarcerated women. A 2013 report found that almost 150 women were illegally subjected to sterilization in California prisons between 2006-2010. The procedures were often discussed with women during childbirth, or other medical procedures, when they were most vulnerable.
Federal law, from the HEW guidelines of the 1970s, prohibits the use of federal funds for sterilization of any incarcerated woman. California state law allows state funds to be used on sterilization of incarcerated women, but special procedures for approval must be utilized prior to the procedure. In the cases found in the 2013 report, those procedures were not followed.
Rodriguez-Trias believed that although the organization of local groups was effective in the sharing of information as well as in applying pressure to policy makers, only with raised consciousness, informed consent, and the existence and accessibility to real alternatives, can freedom of choice become a reality for all women.

[dlowilly]

19th hole

We all know there is a history of eugenics

But what does that have to do with a country founded upon the need for Jews to have a safe homeland after being the victims of human rights violations as a minority, then going on to commit human rights violations against a minority rather recently?

[jtoler]

19th hole

We all know there is a history of eugenics

But what does that have to do with a country founded upon the need for Jews to have a safe homeland after being the victims of human rights violations as a minority, then going on to commit human rights violations against a minority rather recently?

You joking?

[dlowilly]

You joking?

No I'm not

He's giving us the old "yeah but they did it(years ago)" excuse instead of answering how a country whose people defends it's existence by pointing to human rights atrocities done to them, turns around and does it to others.

[Plaza23]

No I'm not

He's giving us the old "yeah but they did it(years ago)" excuse instead of answering how a country whose people defends it's existence by pointing to human rights atrocities done to them, turns around and does it to others.

Keeping poor Ethiopians from reproducing is not an atrocity. It'll probably keep them from starving. Somehow blacks (whether in the US or in Africa) have still not figured out that having babies they can't afford leads to perpetual poverty. And in Ethiopia, it's worse than poverty. It's literal starvation. Too many mouths to feed. Too small of food supply.

[jtoler]

No I'm not

He's giving us the old "yeah but they did it(years ago)" excuse instead of answering how a country whose people defends it's existence by pointing to human rights atrocities done to them, turns around and does it to others.

I was just hinting at their occupance of Palenstine has nothing to do with being "inflicted". That agreement was well before Hitler even became Chancellor.

[JIBBBY]

Should give birth control injections to all the ultra Orthodox Jews as they breed like rabbits, they don't socialize well with others in society, they isolate and only stick with their own kind in other words.. They surely don't play well with others (non-jews) because they think non jews are basically animals and all inferior.. They don't even get along with casual Jews.

All they basically do is pray all day and wear those silly costumes..

The good news is they are not violent so I put them above extreme Muslims for sure..