[Mr KLC]

A last ditch attempt by Assemblyman Adam Gray was unable to move the needle, and California's efforts to legalize online poker in 2016 are now officially over.

Gray's gambit saw the Assemblyman radically alter the suitability language in the bill to gain the support of the hardliner Pechanga coalition. By prohibiting PokerStars from applying for a license for a period of at least five years (and perhaps longer based on some readings of the bill) did appease the Pechanga coalition, but it also caused the PokerStars coalition to abandon ship.

Whatever support was gained, it appears an equal amount of support was lost.

The legislature had until August 31 to pass the bill, but AB 2863 suffered the same fate as all of its predecessors. It failed to be brought to the floor of the Assembly for a vote, let alone sent on to the California Senate or the governor's desk.

Next year will almost certainly see new online poker efforts emerge, but barring a major shakeup or defections from the two entrenched coalitions, it's hard to see a path forward suddenly presenting itself.

It will also be interesting to see where the jumping off point is for suitability language. Will Gray continue to push for his newly adopted penalty box period for PokerStars, or revert back to his previous, softer stance, whereby PokerStars could avoid the penalty box by paying a one-time fee?

http://www.pocketfives.com/articles/...-alive-592530/

Pennsylvania and Michigan are still trying.

[Hu$tle]

who plays poker anymore ???

[The Giant]

Sometimes I really hate this state.

[jjgold]

Lol

USA legal online gaming is dead

[sinmiedo]

Move to Canada or Mexico.

[thechaoz]

USA is so back asswards

[Ghenghis Kahn]

the problem with legalizing poker in california... everyone wants a bigger piece of the pie but the pie is almost all gone.

i highly doubt there will be online poker in california, especially with weed about to become legal. they'll just tax the shit out of weed.

then, the state won't need to generate revenue from online poker ever, which is a big headache for them anyway.

[jjgold]

Every bring should be legal

Red
Tape

[SBR_Guest_Pro]

California, great state. Cali government, awful. Im about ready to move out of state for the 2nd time.

[milenkomit]

Hey guys sorry for asking stupid question but is live poker legal in US?

[xKMACKx]

Hey guys sorry for asking stupid question but is live poker legal in US?

Yes.

[vividjohn45]

Hey guys sorry for asking stupid question but is live poker legal in US?

Most states. But sbr poker is legal everywhere. Even the antartica

[brainfreeze]

I see why it's illegal...and it should be..to much control in programming and code... I don't even like live poker because I can't see a dealer shuffle the cards...

i know now someone who got quaded in Omaha at a live table in one sitting ....
yea, would love to know those odds... and then to think online poker, not a chance in the world I'd put a dime in to even a tourney..

sbr tourneys are where it ends for me....

[Ghenghis Kahn]

I see why it's illegal...and it should be..to much control in programming and code... I don't even like live poker because I can't see a dealer shuffle the cards...

i know now someone who got quaded in Omaha at a live table in one sitting ....
yea, would love to know those odds... and then to think online poker, not a chance in the world I'd put a dime in to even a tourney..

sbr tourneys are where it ends for me....

ummm... stop being clueless. that's not the reason why online poker is illegal.

strange a skeptic like yourself devote your life to an imaginary being... can't make this shit up.

[brainfreeze]

ummm... stop being clueless. that's not the reason why online poker is illegal.

strange a skeptic like yourself devote your life to an imaginary being... can't make this shit up.

yes, it's all imaginary ...I do this because I think it's fun, it's all skippy do da... Sure there is no collusion and corruption going on anywhere ... It's all up and up... Sigh

[jjgold]

Weee more important

[KVB]

The political power wielding Indian coalition wants bad actor clauses in the bill and the deal for PokerStars went from a 5 year ban to operate or $20 million fee to a 10 year ban or $60 million fee.

The coalition doesn't want PokerStars to operate online. Some tribes don't mind but there is a big issue with how to deal with anyone who has operated online poker in California before a law gets passed.

They want to make sure they get the cash that others have basically beat them to and are using the legal troubles of PokerStars as an excuse.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

yes, it's all imaginary ...I do this because I think it's fun, it's all skippy do da... Sure there is no collusion and corruption going on anywhere ... It's all up and up... Sigh

you initially claimed programming and code. now you're claiming collusion and corruption. lol which is it? maybe you're not that good at poker? of course that can't be the case...

pokerstars is legit.

stick to believing in your imaginary friend pal.

[brainfreeze]

you initially claimed programming and code. now you're claiming collusion and corruption. lol which is it? maybe you're not that good at poker? of course that can't be the case...

pokerstars is legit.

stick to believing in your imaginary friend pal.

My initial claim ties in to each other, corrupt people with control of coding, THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT... ITS THEIRS TO DO SO, if anyone buys in to it... They've done just that...bit, like a fish...

as for the insult ... It's cool, won't be the last, I still have love for you... Give me a shout if you ever change your mind..

[Ghenghis Kahn]

My initial claim ties in to each other, corrupt people with control of coding, THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT... ITS THEIRS TO DO SO, if anyone buys in to it... They've done just that...bit, like a fish...

as for the insult ... It's cool, won't be the last, I still have love for you... Give me a shout if you ever change your mind..

nah nothing personal. i just think it's funny you are so skeptical about everything else except for something that you can't prove it exists.

let me put it to you this way. online poker is pretty much safe if they use pokerstars software or something close to it.

but the indian tribes don't want pokerstars to be part of the online market in california, that's the big disagreement with many tribes right now.

the tribes that partnered with pokerstars want them in, those that are left out, want to ban pokerstars.

[brainfreeze]

nah nothing personal. i just think it's funny you are so skeptical about everything else except for something that you can't prove it exists.

let me put it to you this way. online poker is pretty much safe if they use pokerstars software or something close to it.

but the indian tribes don't want pokerstars to be part of the online market in california, that's the big disagreement with many tribes right now.

the tribes that partnered with pokerstars want them in, those that are left out, want to ban pokerstars.

I've never played at pokerstars, but I just don't trust it, just honest truth... I've played at bovada, and yea.. I can see why they don't have poker anymore... But as I've said, I've heard of some funny things live that just don't add up, maybe it's all a coincidence or variance or yea... But yea I don't pay attention to tribe casinos or any of it, I know what casinos are, they are rigged against the player or the lights wouldn't be on...in the words of Steven wynn " only way to beat a casino, is to own one " and I believe him, and I know it's all just entertainment at the end of the day... People get addicted to that crap man, and that's why there's gamblers anom and 1800 numbers and so fourth...

ive beat a lot of people online...and I'm no dummy, I run terrible here mostly yet still roll and cash in tourneys... If people can do it in a healthy way without causing disasters in their lives or the lives of people around them, whatever ... Have fun,

but thanks for chilling out on the insult stuff khan...all good, cheers

[eidolon]

the problem with legalizing poker in california... everyone wants a bigger piece of the pie but the pie is almost all gone.

i highly doubt there will be online poker in california, especially with weed about to become legal. they'll just tax the shit out of weed.

then, the state won't need to generate revenue from online poker ever, which is a big headache for them anyway.

California should tax weed and send ppl in prison to other states.
The weed would cause a $1.5 billion dollar shift in the budget, and sending prisoners to other states (still paying the cost) would save $4 billion dollars a year. California would be able to change everything they ever wanted to with the crappy school systems in Los Angeles and other areas; as well as stop draining all the rivers in the state by producing desalinization systems.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

the purpose of public education system is to dumb down kids, nothing more nothing less. even if they were well funded, nothing will change.

i have an ex-gf that sends her kid to an elementary school that charges $30,000 a year. yes this is for an elementary school.

i would like to sit in that classroom for a week and see what the fukk they teach in that school for it to be that expensive.

[Ralphie Halves]

Despite the tribal pull, I'm shocked that the state that does everything they can to tax the living bajeezus out of you isn't interested in all the tax money generated from poker and weed.

[Muller Rose]

the purpose of public education system is to dumb down kids, nothing more nothing less. even if they were well funded, nothing will change.

i have an ex-gf that sends her kid to an elementary school that charges $30,000 a year. yes this is for an elementary school.

i would like to sit in that classroom for a week and see what the fukk they teach in that school for it to be that expensive.

Gaaa! I couldn't agree more! They made a business out of education. Which should be accessible for all by the way.

[Auto Donk]

Most states. But sbr poker is legal everywhere. Even the antartica

the nazi's still play poker at SBR from their Warm Nirvana hidden beneath the ice cap.....

[Auto Donk]

as for Cali, you should all be thanking them for not allowing a bunch of crooks to start more fukkin' rigged sites where you'f lose all your money, take bad beats non -stop, and generally get fukked by a ton of bots, employees, and other dubious f'n schemes that these types employ to fuk you over

[darrell74]

With the exception to Nevada
This is your answer:

If you’ve ever thought about visiting a cyber casino, here’s something you should know: it’s illegal to gamble online in the United States. “You can go to Vegas. You can go to Atlantic City. You can go to a racetrack. You can go to those places and gamble legally. But don’t do it online. It’s against the law,” says Leslie Bryant, head of our Cyber Crime Fraud unit at FBI Headquarters.
That means:
…No placing cyber bets on sporting events or in virtual card games;
…No transferring money electronically for gambling; and
…No wagers in offshore Internet casinos even if you live in the U.S.
What’s allowed? Some free online games, fantasy leagues, and Indian gaming sites that aren’t strictly defined as Internet gambling.
It’s also illegal for businesses to run gambling websites and to solicit online bets. Even companies handling transactions for cyberspace bettors can face federal charges.


https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/ne...ambling_060607

[jjgold]

Nevada legal poker rooms are empty

If it's not a 50 state co mingle or at least 20 states co mingle complete failure

[Ghenghis Kahn]

as for Cali, you should all be thanking them for not allowing a bunch of crooks to start more fukkin' rigged sites where you'f lose all your money, take bad beats non -stop, and generally get fukked by a ton of bots, employees, and other dubious f'n schemes that these types employ to fuk you over

well if they use pokerstars software or anything similar, i would trust it way more than bovada anonymous bullshit.

you can't have anonymous poker. only way to catch cheaters is to look at hand history and find the outliers.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

Despite the tribal pull, I'm shocked that the state that does everything they can to tax the living bajeezus out of you isn't interested in all the tax money generated from poker and weed.

well they will have weed to tax the shit out of and making vaccines mandatory for kids will generate plenty of revenue.

the main reason why online poker didn't get passed this year is due to pechenga. they didn't partner with pokerstars and they either feel left out or they feel like they can't compete with pokerstars and company. i think there's a huge group partnering with pokerstars.

[daneblazer]

yes, it's all imaginary ...I do this because I think it's fun, it's all skippy do da... Sure there is no collusion and corruption going on anywhere ... It's all up and up... Sigh

There is a difference between collusion and the code being rigged to generate action.

Maybe California has it all wrong. Just legalize poker and tax tin foil hats

[daneblazer]

well if they use pokerstars software or anything similar, i would trust it way more than bovada anonymous bullshit.

you can't have anonymous poker. only way to catch cheaters is to look at hand history and find the outliers.

You can have anonymous poker if it's audited by a regulated and trustworthy source. ...which Bovada clearly is (lol)

[brainfreeze]

There is a difference between collusion and the code being rigged to generate action.

Maybe California has it all wrong. Just legalize poker and tax tin foil hats

Maybe collusion isn't the best word there, but has to do with defrauding, deception, in secret terms... So it comes to mind, corrupt is better placement ...

but idk about tin foil hats...seems propeller hats are more fitting for some crowds.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

You can have anonymous poker if it's audited by a regulated and trustworthy source. ...which Bovada clearly is (lol)

clearly? not so fast. do you remember absolute poker? who do you think they got their license from? if you said kahnawake gaming commission, you are correct.

now who do you think bovada, ignition got their licenses from? yes, no other than kahnawake gaming commission.

do you know how the super user, "potripper" got caught? it was by one of the players checking hand history.

so let's not make anything "absolute" (no pun intended)... anonymous tables are bullshit.