1. 04-24-16 02:38 AM #36
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    Arrieta will not keep this up. He will be suspended soon. His comeback will not go well.
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  2. 04-24-16 03:35 AM #37
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    Randy Johnson is the best modern pitcher

    He won 5 Cy Youngs......more than any other pitcher except Roger Clemens who was on the roids

    including 4 in a row 1999,2000,2001,2002

    Guess who won in '03.....Gagne another roider
    Clemens in '04 on the roids


    Martinez is the only one who has an argument for best modern pitcher other than Johnson
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  3. 04-24-16 04:10 AM #38
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    Last 20 years?

    Randy
    Pedro
    Roger
    Maddux
    Kershaw
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  4. 04-24-16 04:48 AM #39
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    I'm only going to list the names of pitchers I got to see live.

    Walter Johnson
    Cy Young
    Christy Mathewson
    Lefty Grove
    Pete Alexander
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  5. 04-24-16 05:03 AM #40
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    Quote Originally Posted by cankid View Post
    Pedro is the best I've seen the last 30 years, never seen a pitcher throw 4-5 pitches at 4-5 different speeds, he said what really helped him was his long fingers that could keep contact with the ball upon release so he could play with and adjust the speed and rotation of the ball accordingly. The 4 year stretch from 1997 to 2000 was really impressive.
    I think it was the year he came in as relief in a playoff game, and he through 4 or 5 changeups in a row to one batter. and got the guy out. It was truelly was a crazy pitching performance that made me just say WOW.
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  6. 04-24-16 05:17 AM #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckyTheGoat View Post
    Good story, chico. I bet Father's Day is a little tricky.
    was the reason duncan got traded.
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  7. 04-24-16 05:27 AM #42
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    true story i knew the youngest person and the fourth youngest guy to play in mlb. Joe nuxhall was a reds broadcaster but he was youngest to ever play. His brothers grandson played ball growing up with me and we would get tickets on regular basis. my best friends father in law was ronnie moeller sr. he used to tell stories to us on a regular basis. one of his was that he faced the yankees and he was put in. in mantles spot they had substituted for him but he didn't realize it. After he struck the guy out then he thought that is was pretty easy. the next day he actually faced him and and mantle hit a ball farther than he ever seen a ball go. i miss that guy.
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  8. 04-24-16 07:54 AM #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by chico2663 View Post
    true story i knew the youngest person and the fourth youngest guy to play in mlb. Joe nuxhall was a reds broadcaster but he was youngest to ever play. His brothers grandson played ball growing up with me and we would get tickets on regular basis. my best friends father in law was ronnie moeller sr. he used to tell stories to us on a regular basis. one of his was that he faced the yankees and he was put in. in mantles spot they had substituted for him but he didn't realize it. After he struck the guy out then he thought that is was pretty easy. the next day he actually faced him and and mantle hit a ball farther than he ever seen a ball go. i miss that guy.
    Roundin' third and headin' for home. Nuxhall was a great broadcaster. The best five I've seen in person:

    Bob Gibson
    Tom Seaver
    Steve Carlton
    Juan Marichial
    Randy Johnson
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  9. 04-24-16 09:41 AM #44
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    Gibson had 13 complete game shut-outs in 1968.
    If you take the guys from pre-war out of the equation , he has to be on this list.
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  10. 04-24-16 09:46 AM #45
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    13 complete gm shutouts in a season is just ridiculous wow! Guys in this younger generation be lucky to complete 13 in a career and they won't all be shutouts.
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  11. 04-24-16 10:14 AM #46
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    Johnson is No. 1; his prime is incredible considering that it coincided almost exactly with the steroid monkey era.
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  12. 04-24-16 10:29 AM #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by R.P. McMurphy View Post
    13 complete gm shutouts in a season is just ridiculous wow! Guys in this younger generation be lucky to complete 13 in a career and they won't all be shutouts.
    No shit Randall. Thing about a guy like Gibson, whether you asks teammates or opponents, unequivically there is tons of respect tinged with a little fear. Likewise Pedro and Randy.
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  13. 04-24-16 10:37 AM #48
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    Yeah that 68 year was almost a decade before I was hatched. Definitely a historian like I mentioned and have read about him seen footage what a monster. Koufax had a run of about 5 years as well just off the charts dominant. I mentioned Johnson being on my list not only dominant but instilled most fear for opposing batters arguably than anyone I've seen in my life.
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  14. 04-24-16 03:04 PM #49
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    Randy Johnson
    Pedro
    Tom Henke
    David Cone
    Dennis Martinez


    Hideo Nomo was pretty awesome for awhile,remember when he first showed up on the scene,like a tidle wave.
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  15. 04-30-16 02:37 AM #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by packerd_00 View Post
    Randy Johnson
    Pedro
    Tom Henke
    David Cone
    Dennis Martinez


    Hideo Nomo was pretty awesome for awhile,remember when he first showed up on the scene,like a tidle wave.
    A few names I haven't thought of for a while, but were great:

    * Cone had a great career, w/ many permutations. Had one phenomenal season for Mets early in his career. When Pedro was flying, Cone was arguably 2nd-best P in American League. Dominant stuff, filthy in his prime.

    * I loved Tom Henke as a Blue Jay closer. Duane Ward w/ Henke was an overpowering late-inning relief combo.
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  16. 04-30-16 05:09 AM #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louisvillekid1 View Post
    And shame on me ... Mariano best pitcher to ever touch the laces

    -just wasn't thinking reliever/closers
    And easily half his teammates were on steroids.

    I'm sure there's no connection though.
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  17. 04-30-16 06:47 AM #52
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    Kershaw will go down as better than all these guys if he can sustain this and win a ring or two.
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  18. 04-30-16 04:37 PM #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckyTheGoat View Post
    A few names I haven't thought of for a while, but were great:

    * Cone had a great career, w/ many permutations. Had one phenomenal season for Mets early in his career. When Pedro was flying, Cone was arguably 2nd-best P in American League. Dominant stuff, filthy in his prime.

    * I loved Tom Henke as a Blue Jay closer. Duane Ward w/ Henke was an overpowering late-inning relief combo.
    Yeah I really enjoyed watching both guys,Henke was a personal favourite.
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  19. 04-30-16 07:42 PM #54
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    Pedro
    Randy Johnson
    Clemens
    Koufax
    Ryan


    Doc Gooden could have been. Schilling was good for a long time in the steroid era. Arreita may have the most dominant 2 season stretch ever if he repeats what he did last year.
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  20. 04-30-16 11:04 PM #55
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    Ryan never won Cy young...Mariani won 5 titles his era in playoffs under 1.00 over 130 plus innings
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  21. 05-01-16 12:16 AM #56
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    Walter Johnson
    Nolan Ryan
    Cy Young
    Randy Johnson
    Bob Gibson


    Also:
    George Herman Ruth, Jr
    Warren Spahn
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  22. 05-01-16 03:51 AM #57
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    Mariano Rivera
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  23. 05-01-16 10:53 AM #58
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    Everybody puts Bob gibson...koufax in top 5
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  24. 05-01-16 11:12 AM #59
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    Dwight Gooden started his career looking like he would go down as one of the best, then after his amazing sophomore year everything started going downhill.
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  25. 05-01-16 12:31 PM #60
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    Remember Jim Abbott,he was one of at kind.
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  26. 05-01-16 12:49 PM #61
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    Greg Maddux
    Tom Glavine
    John Smoltz
    Danny Neagle
    Steve Avery
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  27. 05-01-16 12:50 PM #62
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    Arrieta lolll. He's been a career bum. He's had one good season plus the stsrt of this year He will need to do this for another 10 years to even be considered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goat Milk View Post
    Kershaw will go down as better than all these guys if he can sustain this and win a ring or two.
    Same was said about Verlander. Top players seem to regress nowadays
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  29. 05-01-16 05:02 PM #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by lakerboy View Post
    I laugh at these lists. Clueless 20 year old kids.

    Walter Johnson
    Cy young
    Bob Gibson
    Bob Feller
    Tom Seaver


    Hon mentions

    Steve carlton
    Randy. Johnson
    Sandy koufax
    I'm not a 20 yr old kid, but come on man Pedro Martinez needs to be on that list never named on any suspected PED list and he was pitching in a much more lively hitting era than anyone on that list outside of Randy Johnson you also need to show Greg Maddux some love too. You can't just name all the guys from 50 years ago and totally ignore the past 20 years outside of Randy Johnson of course. You're doing the same thing you're bitching about here lakerboy you're better than this come on.


    My own top 5
    Walter Johnson
    Bob Gibson
    Pedro Martinez
    CY Young
    Greg Maddux

    And I'm willing to bet in 10-15 years I would add Clayton Kershaw to that list not sure who I would take off though.
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  30. 05-01-16 05:30 PM #65
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    Walter Johnson
    Cy Young
    Roger Clemens
    Randy Johnson
    Gaylord Perry
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