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Originally Posted by Seto
not angry my friend, why would I be angry. I am one of the very few winners in this game. You forgot what I said about taking wages for decades. I made one ton of money in gambling.
I certainly won't call you dishonest, but why don't you post your plays for the next 6 months too. Show us the wins, I didn't say nobody could do it. I said my experience shows me that very few do. In my experience it was 0% that did.
again, why would I be angry. I really don't get angry any longer guy.
and I hope you are telling the truth, it seems to me you are the guy that is angry. If you are a winner, make a dedicated post with all your selections for 6 months and forgot the bs in this thread. Show your wagers and after you have a terrific month I will follow you. But you will not do that, will you.
My grandfather fixed the 1919 world series. He taught me how to invest in sports.
so many guys claim to be winners, most of them are kids. so many guys talk the talk but when it comes to posting their plays for a period of time that will eliminate luck--well then things change. then they start talking about someone being angry. why would I be angry I took plays from guys like you and took your money. I am up big time in gambling not because I am great at selecting games but because I took the vig and all the other advantages.
again, i will tell you to make your dedicated thread and show your selections--put up or shut up. And listen to this, I hope you are a winner. I am cheering for all of you. I just don't think you can do it, I am going with the odds.
so if any of you do decide to show your selections send me a pm because I don't come around often.
and good luck
You are free to follow my bets for the next 6 months if you so choose. Kinda arbitrary to want to judge me on 6 months when I have documented records over a much longer period of time but do as you like.
Goes pretty far to show much you truly "know" when you say the people can have several winning seasons and it would still not prove they're long term winners, yet all of a sudden if some unknown stranger has a "terrific month" you'd be prepared to follow them. Trust me, I've had bad months before. I've had horrific weeks. Doesn't mean I don't win long term and you of all people should know this.
It's not hard to find my picks. Just look at the subforums. Tail, fade, just read, praise, troll, do whatever the fuk you want. I honestly don't care. Very few people on this board where I actually care if they win or not.
I can appreciate what you are saying Dante, sportsbetting is difficult, but you are wrong about those who beat the markets. I know plenty who make a living at this, plenty. We are a rare breed coming from old school practice, but because the marketplace is constantly be replenished by new bettors and old bettors (similar to you) don't learn from their mistakes we can continue to win.
Because of the nature of the game and the ways to lose, many people simply don't have the capacity to be a longer term winner (for many reasons).
It's a shame you never had a sharp player in all those years booking, you may have learned someting.
I've taught bookies and gambers alike for a long time. A smart bookie will listen to his customers and take advantage of a sharp player's movements.
Simply because you never had one of those players, doesn't mean they aren't out there. We are.
not angry again, not angry. just upset because more than likely you are young and you think you can beat this game in the long run and I know you cannot. I don't need to know you, I have known scores of kids like you. I have watched them lose for decades. And I didn't mean to stererotype you but it seems you made a conclusion about me.
listen I don't post often but do you think I am making up this story, it is a true story without any hyperbole at all. every word is true, I witnessed it for decades. nobody wins, okay maybe some rare individual wins, but what are the chances that will be you. I am talking lifetime my friend.
I can appreciate what you are saying Dante, sportsbetting is difficult, but you are wrong about those who beat the markets. I know plenty who make a living at this, plenty. We are a rare breed coming from old school practice, but because the marketplace is constantly be replenished by new bettors and old bettors (similar to you) don't learn from their mistakes we can continue to win.
Because of the nature of the game and the ways to lose, many people simply don't have the capacity to be a longer term winner (for many reasons).
It's a shame you never had a sharp player in all those years booking, you may have learned someting.
I've taught bookies and gambers alike for a long time. A smart bookie will listen to his customers and take advantage of a sharp player's movements.
Simply because you never had one of those players, doesn't mean they aren't out there. We are.
you know what is ironic about this post, whenever I had a wise guy telling me about a great play I would often play the other side, take his money and win from my lay off man. just the opposite is true.
you guys always want to talk about the very rare bird, fine keep hoping that is you. when you become seasoned in this game you will finally admit to yourself what I am telling you right now. I know, who wants to admit that what they are doing is a losing proposition. I get it, so you are keying angry comments at me. and then accusing me of being angry. what do I have to be angry about. I am up money. I am simply answering a thread with 100% honesty. of course many of you don't want to believe it so you attack the messenger. I get it guys. here is the problem, I am cheering for you. I want you to be in that 1%. Actually I don't even believe it is that high.
but you can shut me up with 6 months of winning selections, but that won't happen. will it.
Dude if you can't gather your thoughts to answer a post immediately and need to answer in several parts, take a deep breath and let the post rest in your mind for a few minutes before answering. Makes threads unreadable.
You don't know shit about me. Trust me. It doesn't even matter if your story is made up or not. You don't need to have booked bets to know there are many losers out there. Everyone knows most gamblers lose. The fact that you're bringing up this "life experience" so supposedly prove your point is laughable.
Was hoping this discussion might lead somewhere but this post is the final proof you are just some bitter angry clown. I've told you repeatedly I have 3 years of documented winning behind me and you have chosen to ignore that and ask me for some arbitrary 6 month period of results (which, by the way, you're free to compile on your own, I have pointed you in the right direction to find my picks, trust me, it isn't hard.)
Have a nice day.
my father thought me and im very gratefull to him
Here's some JJ, it seems we have to start with the basics...
Gunshard your money management is seriously flawed and costing you and anyone following your advice money.
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...l#post25140487
KVB, I believe you you sound sincere. And if you are one of those lucky ones thank god and congrats. It can happen, I just never saw it in my career. like I said it was a small market and I had a total of maybe 40 to 50 players. but remember those guys and a couple gals played mostly during the foot season. so my experiences although I also took basket and base was around three main sports.
be that as it may, yes maybe you are one of the rare, good. I am glad. My comments only pertain to the huge majority of players, and I have never known one to end up a winner.
you're the guy with the angry comments my friend. I hit a sore spot, I would wager money that you are a huge loser. But, here is the good news you can prove you are not. Six months of your plays with only one rule. Let me know if you are up to it? If so send me a pm, when you are a winner at the end of six month you will get the wager, my congrats and a huge apology.
now lets see if you can come back with the angry comments, I am not angry. I just think you are probably a huge loser and you don't like to hear about it. Prove me wrong.
and btw, this is my last comment to you on this subject, you may have the rest.
oh and if 6 months is arbitrary ( and I don't know why ) you can select the time table, I selected 6 months because it will eliminate luck for the most part. I don't want to search for your selections, I don't know how they were made. I need to see the selections in real time my friend. Are you sure you aren't a con man. It is so easy to say okay I will do the 6 months. hmmmm!
Dante, you want to know what a perennial winner sounds like? Read this...
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...16443-cfl.html
I do owe a final wrap up to that thread and will probably do it soon.
Who do you like to win the Grey Cup this year.
Dante, you want to know what a perennial winner sounds like? Read this...
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...16443-cfl.html
I do owe a final wrap up to that thread and will probably do it soon.
didn't read it all because of an appointment, but you sound like the real deal, you do real work. you do what needs to be done and can possibly be one of the rare winners. the thing is can you do it year after year. you know it isn't one good year that counts, it is many good years together and then at the end of your career having plus money. that is the point I am making
if I had the patience I would like to follow you for a little, and I would be cheering for you. let me know where you post because I don't do this much any longer. But hey, good luck and if I selected the wrong guy I apologize. I just know what I know KVB. You know exactly what I am writing about if you have been around for a long time. There are very very few lifetime winners. I know this for a fact, those guys arguing with me just think they are correct, I know I am correct.
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no my friend from taking money from guys like you, you should read all the posts.
I know Dante and the kid is legitimate and he is right 99% lose
In my opinion it's impossible to reliably call it. There will be some shifts among teams and players and last season it seems like al lot of QB's got hurt. That will change the landscape.
It might be better to try to say who won't win the Grey Cup. I don't think it will be Edmonton. But that's all I got for now.
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And they lose for different reasons. Some reasons for losing are obstacles that some bettors will never be able to overcome, usually due to discipline and emotions, but other reasons for losing (like the money management advice above) can be overcome.
Refusal to admit there are things they don't know, ego, and inability or unwillingness to learn are contributing factors to why some bettors continue to lose, as is resigning themselves to myths about the markets.
of course you know jj because you have been down the road thousands of times, these are basically kids. they think they have all the answers.
so listen to this jj I answer your thread about my experiences, I didn't get angry, I didn't name call I simply explained the experiences I have had in this world of gambling. I expected some negative replies but I never thought they would attack the messenger. My god they got pissed some of these kids. Tell me why? They don't want to believe that they don't have much of a chance. They just can't accept that fact. But, instead of fighting with me prove I am wrong. Nope! All types of bs from all of them but never an acceptance of my offer. Show your selections for 6 months and prove it. Your remember JJ through the years all the kids that came through these forums with the ridiculous claim of 60 and 70%. Remember! Well not one of them even came close to 50%.
Same thing with these kids why are they angry with me. Every word I said is truth, I also made a very similar thread many years ago, didn't get half as much noise then. These are mostly kids jj, mostly kids. I remember when my son was in HS he came home and said dad this kid said he can easily select 6 or 7 games on those cards. I said joe he can't pick 4 out of 6. I was dealing with those cards then too, I gave him some for his friends and naturally a total failure. Same thing with these kids, they talk the talk but it is bs.
good hearing form you and thanks for the back up.
nothing wrong with what dante said to begin with.
over 95% lose, maybe 99%
so yes it was a huge mistake
hey rudy thank you too for the back up, I can't understand the hate about my experiences. WTF is up with that? I tell these kids the way it is and the guys that have been doing this for decades know it is gospel. Like I said they are kids. I think about years ago when these same kids made those 60-70% claims. But they had the balls to post their selections. Dear jesus we laughed at those kids until they disappeared, must have been a dozen or more of them.
Yeah last year Ottawa started off with the worst odds to win the Cup,and ended up coming very close to pulling it off.In my opinion it's impossible to reliably call it. There will be some shifts among teams and players and last season it seems like al lot of QB's got hurt. That will change the landscape.
It might be better to try to say who won't win the Grey Cup. I don't think it will be Edmonton. But that's all I got for now.
Cheers for the insight.
John Morrison, Steve Stevens and a few guys I met in prison!
pitching dimes to the wall befor i could walk , id craw over and get my winnings
Been at for roughly 20 years and successful...well in at least two sports
Trial and error....
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Trial and error....
that's great, congrats. Lot of winners on this forum, I would really like some of you guys to make a dedicated thread an spread the wealth a little. I mean why keep these great selections a secret, if I could make selections about 56% consistently I would certainly post them for my fellow players.
that confuses me a bit.
Well I should say, I've been successful for the past fives years or so. I can say I have not reloaded in years. However, since I started I'm sure I lost more than won. I've taught myself through trail and error; and most importantly learning money management has made me more successful than my younger days. If I would be stick to the only two sports I'm good at, I would be more successful. I think that's the problem most of us have. When is trial an error enough.. A problem (call it an addiction if you will) I struggle with- not so much for the action anymore but trying to be good at it in all sports. I am starting to realize it's enough. Getting smarter and wiser is the the ticket.
As you mention post plays...I don't dedicate a thread, but I have many times posted single plays here with a high win rate. Sometimes we are better off keeping things to ourself, but I do like to share so often.
I taught myself. That's why I'm poor.Men the plays I see here and bad lines you get it makes me wonder
I see guys like LT Profits win or lose he has a clue
Of course others too although so many plays here and what type of plays they are makes me wonder
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