[jjgold]

I would bet $100 a game guy

It gives you a partial of the drug you need that should hold you off from getting buried

[dontknowhowtobet]

I would bet $100 a game guy

It gives you a partial of the drug you need that should hold you off from getting buried

I don't think so ... I agree with this:

I'd rather go 5-0 than 20-15.

Betting small is not a "cure", the best cure is to either have 100-0 endless winnings or just not be part of it.
This entire system is built in a way to make people go bankrupt ... you can bet $100 now, lose it, put $200 again ... however you design it - you have higher chances of losing than making money.

[Jayvegas420]

Are you working to gamble or are you gambling to avoid work?

[dontknowhowtobet]

Are you working to gamble or are you gambling to avoid work?

I'm working to make money and I gamble(d) to make some profits but I don't treat it like profits anymore.

[BrickJames]

I don't think so ... I agree with this:



Betting small is not a "cure", the best cure is to either have 100-0 endless winnings or just not be part of it.
This entire system is built in a way to make people go bankrupt ... you can bet $100 now, lose it, put $200 again ... however you design it - you have higher chances of losing than making money.

All you need to do is pick 53% and you will win. Sounds simple enough.

[dontknowhowtobet]

All you need to do is pick 53% and you will win. Sounds simple enough.

If it was really that simple many gamblers wouldn't be in so much debt.
This "simple" task requires you to guess games right, don't chase, bet the same all the times, and hope for the best with every bet .. I don't know many people that made money from gambling but I know many that said it ruined their lives ... these are the facts ... there are few that succeed and many that don't.

[jjgold]

I rather bet $1 a game on 300 games a week than bet $100 and bet 5

I like the feel of all the action

[BrickJames]

If it was really that simple many gamblers wouldn't be in so much debt.
This "simple" task requires you to guess games right, don't chase, bet the same all the times, and hope for the best with every bet .. I don't know many people that made money from gambling but I know many that said it ruined their lives ... these are the facts ... there are few that succeed and many that don't.

Well I know about 20 million more people who just have fun and an entertaining night gambling and it never ruin their lives because they know how much they can afford to lose and understand that it's just entertainment do you think every person that visit Vegas eventually has their life ruined by gambling?

[BrickJames]

It's called being a grown up taking responsibility for your actions and knowing how much you can afford to lose in a night if I were you I would allocate 5% of your net income per week to gambling

[dontknowhowtobet]

Well I know about 20 million more people who just have fun and an entertaining night gambling and it never ruin their lives because they know how much they can afford to lose and understand that it's just entertainment do you think every person that visit Vegas eventually has their life ruined by gambling?

Yes, in the UK many people in the betting shops throw a few pounds (dollars) into a game and enjoy watching it.
That's fine.

I am treating gambling like the stock market, I am the type of person who will never get hooked with Roulette, Slots and all those other forms of gambling that are there to suck you in and take your hard earned money.

For me if I don't make money from gambling then I should stop.
But I can tell you it sometimes can suck you in ... and no, not every person in Vegas got his life ruined by throwing a few dollars into a Roulette machine or on any other sports event - but, those who can get affected can get affected extremely seriously, it could ruin their families and it has in the past.

If you don't agree with my point of view I'd be happy to hear why not.

[dontknowhowtobet]

It's called being a grown up taking responsibility for your actions and knowing how much you can afford to lose in a night if I were you I would allocate 5% of your net income per week to gambling

I am definitely not allocating all my money to gambling, and it is probably around the 5% mark of what I spend to be honest (considering wins & losses into account) ... that's fine, if anyone is gambling already I agree with you he shouldn't bet on a large amount but as I said it could be tempting to bet more (chasing etc.) - that's the nature of gambling, isn't it?

[BrickJames]

Yes, in the UK many people in the betting shops throw a few pounds (dollars) into a game and enjoy watching it.
That's fine.

I am treating gambling like the stock market, I am the type of person who will never get hooked with Roulette, Slots and all those other forms of gambling that are there to suck you in and take your hard earned money.

For me if I don't make money from gambling then I should stop.
But I can tell you it sometimes can suck you in ... and no, not every person in Vegas got his life ruined by throwing a few dollars into a Roulette machine or on any other sports event - but, those who can get affected can get affected extremely seriously, it could ruin their families and it has in the past.

If you don't agree with my point of view I'd be happy to hear why not.

I dont agree with it.

Does everyone who drinks a beer become an alcoholic?

Does everyone who eats bacon have a heart attack?

Does everyone who watches internet porn become addicted?

Does everyone who smokes a cigarette die of lung cancer?

No, no, no, no.

Same way everyone who places a bet doesn't become a degenerate.

[dontknowhowtobet]

I dont agree with it.
Does everyone who drinks a beer become an alcoholic?
Does everyone who eats bacon have a heart attack?
Does everyone who watches internet porn become addicted?
Does everyone who smokes a cigarette die of lung cancer?
No, no, no, no.
Same way everyone who places a bet doesn't become a degenerate.

You don't have to take the 'extreme' sides of the continuum ... not every gambler reaches a "rock bottom" of being so deep into debts ... some have small debts from gambling and some don't even have negative balance in the bank account.

I don't have debts because of gambling so far, because thankfully I didn't bet extremely large amounts but I know gambling made a small 'hole' in my pocket, which I can live with.

The thing is whilst I might not be a 'degenerate' or might be considered as one, however you define it - I can tell you gambling did cause me other issues in life (e.g. lack of motivation, concentration, lack of sleep) but it also brought with it from time to time other good feelings as well (positive motivation after winning or even losing) but all in all I still don't see it as a type of activity I would like to get stuck with in my life, but unfortunately and probably like many others here this had been going for several years now and more than that.

[BrickJames]

Hamburger

[dontknowhowtobet]

Hamburger

[jjgold]

dontknow when is your next play??

[dontknowhowtobet]

dontknow when is your next play??

I'd be honest I'm still thinking about it ... just didn't like the totals in TOR@SKC nor in DET@LAL neither.
If the total points in TOR@SKC would have gone lower by now I would have taken the DET@LAL OVER 192 points (halftime line) without a blink but it's not like that so I can't ... gotta wait for the next day's NBA games to see if I spot anything interesting.

[BrickJames]

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[arie1985]

I disagree.
You can stay within limits but is it worth it? prob not.

[ABEHONEST]

It's also a myth to believe man cannot be self-disciplined.
Like, you cannot duck danger when confronted routinely.

[2daBank]

It is gamble, but it's not one that would lead you to financial loss (well, choosing a gold-digger to be your wife would but you get my point).



Can you explain to me what is so fun losing $100 (or more) on a bet, and then chasing with $200 and losing it as well?
What is so much fun about handing over your money so easily to the gambling industry?
Losing money is no fun, it's a recipe for your financial loss and in some cases can be a catastrophe.

Maybe you just value money a little too much. I on the other hand value entertainment in many forms that bring pleasure to my life, I would go as far to say I work so I can enjoy such pleasures not to keep my money locked away.

Let's forget for a second how arrogant you sound as to assume because you can't control yourself nobody else can either. I have seasons at sports I make money, seasons I lose. When I win it extra income I blow doing other fun things, when I lose it nothing I couldn't live without anyways and would have spent in some other fashion. Obviously this isn't the case for you but doesn't mean others can't enjoy ourselves .

It just like alcohol or many other substances, some can enjoy without issue while other weaker souls can't control themselves. It always such types as yourself that have to force themselves to stay away that end up preaching to those of us capable of enjoying ourselves responsibly just because they can't handle such things.

If it a horrible destructive influence in your life you should stay away more power to you, at same time none of us who choose otherwise want to hear your holier than thou bs. Tell yourself whatever you need to but to tell us all we can't handle it because you can't just comes off as sour grapes. GL TO YOU ON YOUR RIGHTOUS PATH, I'm thankful I don't have the need to choose what I can only imagine a joyless life (but to each is own, that the beauty of freedom)..

[arie1985]

Maybe you just value money a little too much. I on the other hand value entertainment in many forms that bring pleasure to my life, I would go as far to say I work so I can enjoy such pleasures not to keep my money locked away.

Let's forget for a second how arrogant you sound as to assume because you can't control yourself nobody else can either. I have seasons at sports I make money, seasons I lose. When I win it extra income I blow doing other fun things, when I lose it nothing I couldn't live without anyways and would have spent in some other fashion. Obviously this isn't the case for you but doesn't mean others can't enjoy ourselves .

It just like alcohol or many other substances, some can enjoy without issue while other weaker souls can't control themselves. It always such types as yourself that have to force themselves to stay away that end up preaching to those of us capable of enjoying ourselves responsibly just because they can't handle such things.

If it a horrible destructive influence in your life you should stay away more power to you, at same time none of us who choose otherwise want to hear your holier than thou bs. Tell yourself whatever you need to but to tell us all we can't handle it because you can't just comes off as sour grapes. GL TO YOU ON YOUR RIGHTOUS PATH, I'm thankful I don't have the need to choose what I can only imagine a joyless life (but to each is own, that the beauty of freedom)..

I agree with this. I don't think 100% of the people are suffering from gambling or otherwise this form of entertainment wouldn't exist. But it's not entertainment for everyone, if someone likes it good for you and if you don't then don't participate or arrest this addiction by selfexcluding or not hand over finance to someone else.

One thing I do agree - anything done without moderation is bad, alcohol, gambling, sex, drugs, etc. actually some drugs are good for you, some people even say marijuana is a cure for cancer.

[jjgold]

We keep saying it bet with money that is not part of your everyday "to live" money

Nobody wins at this game as it is -EV, we all have a few good weeks during year but that is about it

Have fun and bet with your head and play at top books

[Jack Nash]

Your best line: winning on a daily basis, simply by not betting at all. Betting is not really the right path to make money. Some people do it for fun, others out of desperation in a world where many people are jobless. Many people dont find jobs, its sad but true. America has unemployed people, India has unemployed people, some people are lazy, others work very hard, life is complex, nothing is perfect. Youve made a wise decision to stop gambling, best of luck.

[jjgold]

Jack strong post

[arie1985]

Your best line: winning on a daily basis, simply by not betting at all. Betting is not really the right path to make money. Some people do it for fun, others out of desperation in a world where many people are jobless. Many people dont find jobs, its sad but true. America has unemployed people, India has unemployed people, some people are lazy, others work very hard, life is complex, nothing is perfect. Youve made a wise decision to stop gambling, best of luck.

I tend to agree with this as well.
Where is the OP anyway?

[Ra77er]

I agree with Arie1985 check in and tell us you have gained control of the demon. Mentally weak he is but tremendous potiential he has.

[Dollars2Donuts]

I tend to agree with this as well.
Where is the OP anyway?

I believe that OP hung himself. Not sure what took him so long.

[Optional]

In Australia 80% of adults gamble each year.

Pretty much every estimate of the problem gambler rate agrees it sits under 1% and max of about 4% if you just look at weekly gamblers. That's a max of about 160,000 people in a country of 23 million.

Sure, help those poor sods but don't tell me those statistics back up an argument that gambling is bad or will ruin anyone who does it.

It clearly shows a very small minority of people are just bloody hopeless. A smaller percentage than people who are crappy drivers and will never get better but no one tries to tell me no one should drive.

[Dollars2Donuts]

Optional, good post.

If those 160k people with a gambling problem were not able to gamble...they would have some other type of problem. They are the hopeless. They are the useless. They are the damned.

[pilebuck13]

Let the dream go of being a big shot, dip and dunk.. spot plays. make your money cash out. Everyone can say at least once a month they find a gimme problem is gambling everyday =-ev because of -110

[Ra77er]

Rude comment to say Dollar and Opti your agenda is clear enough. I think everyone gets that you give 2 sharts about the "minority" of problem gamblers and are more concerned about the reputation being tarnished because of them. Some bad drivers may respond to a honk and others may need to experience a crash to reasses abilities, ideally if we were stronger we should be able to provide insight before either of these situations occur. The issue today is no one wants to be told shortcomings and the approach that is taken is a very delicate proposition. Statistics and some KVB posts were unfortunately not making an impact for Donty, different approach is needed.

[Dollars2Donuts]

Buddy, OP is a douche....utterly useless. It's been ages since I have seen him around (good riddance) and he never had any business posting his buzz-kill BS here anyway.

[Optional]

Rude comment to say Dollar and Opti your agenda is clear enough. I think everyone gets that you give 2 sharts about the "minority" of problem gamblers and are more concerned about the reputation being tarnished because of them. Some bad drivers may respond to a honk and others may need to experience a crash to reasses abilities, ideally if we were stronger we should be able to provide insight before either of these situations occur. The issue today is no one wants to be told shortcomings and the approach that is taken is a very delicate proposition. Statistics and some KVB posts were unfortunately not making an impact for Donty, different approach is needed.

Having been one of the bloody hopeless ones myself for a few years when young I think I might give more sharts than you imagine. ;-)

I'm a bleeding heart liberal when it comes to helping people who can't help themselves and do agree with trying to reduce the number affected and help those who are escape are important.

But those numbers I quoted are the facts from the perfect microcosm experiment to judge from.

I grew up in a country where it was normal for families to go to the races together. There were slot machines in clubs families would attend a lot. Gambling was normal and no guilt was attached.

And after all that 160k out of 23mil have a serious problem with it.

I don't think it's heartless or requires an agenda to accept that those numbers completely refute the claim of churches and dogooders and people like the OP who say "there is no such thing as responsible gambling".

If you don't agree maybe it's you, like the OP, that has the fixed agenda rather than me?

[Ra77er]

Dollar I do find it a little annoying and perhaps not the ideal forum for this kind of posting.

Opti that's a great post but it would make sense to me that Australians are better suited to handle what gambling is because of the way your culture naturally is.. hence the statistcs there are favorable. I don't know about any other Americans but I was never exposed to it until I was 25. I went to a casino once growing up but thats it. I didnt have parents or family members that went to tracks or had 5k on the bulls in the NBA finals or at least not that I'm aware of. Gambling was mainly unspoken of and I think the way you guys do it in Australia is pretty cool and I would imagine leads to more responsible gamblers. I'm not sure what nationality donty is European maybe but regardless I'm not sure your perspective is going to be understood by others in the manner in which you are attempting to show.