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Matt Harvey or Mike Trout? Who would you take?
In my opinion, these are the 2 best players where the future of baseball is concerned. If you were starting a team of the future, who would it be?
My answer: Matt Harvey
Pitching is so difficult to come by and although Harvey isn't an everyday player, he's simply unstoppable; a "Boss" if you will.
Who would you take?
Watermelons and coconuts guy
The fukk is this ?!
Originally Posted by Vinnie Paz
Vinnie Paz: Did Haugen hit you in the noggin too many times? WTF you think that this is? Sports talk..
seriously what a dumb question. they are both good. we get it
Trout and it's not really that close
There are 2 starting pitchers, 1 reliever and 2 position players on the Braves team that I can take to start a future team before I take Harvey or Trout.
Take the Hitter; pitchers run such a super high risk of injury. Just look at Johan Santana, from 2004-2008 Santana hadn't missed a start, and had been the Best pitcher in baseball over a 5 year span, and was only 29. Not even two full years he career was all but done.
I would take yadi molina on the DL before both.
Pitching wins
Not hitting
No brainer
Harvey
Trout is the right answer, Trout by miles.
Can Harvey play 140 games? Can Harvey hit 30 ding dongs, steal 40 bases, score 120 runs, drive in 90, mostly from the top of the order?
Can Harvey go over walls to rob homers?
Want to know how repected Trout is?
He was intentionally walked the other night in that Texas game.
What's the big deal with an IBB? There were men on first and second in a two run game. Texas IBB'ed Trout to load the bases in a 2 runs game to get to Trumbo. Why? Because Trout was four for four at that point with a walk and like 3 runs scored..............
The last time I saw somebody walked intentionally to load the bases was some scrub named Bonds.
Trout is in Miggy's class
Harvey is in Patrick Corbin's class
What can Molina do that Trout can't?
Now answer this, what can Trout do, that Molina can't?
If you were starting a team of the future, who would it be?
I prefer to build a team around a catcher with experience and knowledge. My 2 cents.
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And your 2 cents is respected.
Molina is on the DL now, because catchers are not built to play 130 games a season unless 40 of them are at DH (like Mauer) or first (like Mauer and sometimes Posey)
If Molina insists on catching, behind the plate catching, six games a week, he will always find himself on the DL.
Molina is in the class of Mauer and Posey as the best hitting catchers in the game, and is in a class with nobody else in regards to defensive catchers, which makes him the best overall catcher in the game.
Well timed thread.
He gave up 3 ER's in 5.2 innings against the anemic Marlins today.
Trout by eleventy billion miles.
Scary, isn't it.
2013 is better than 2012 so far, and 2012 was a year for the ages.
Throw out 2011, he was 19 years old, part time call up.
Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards 2011 19 LAA AL 40 135 123 20 27 6 0 5 16 4 0 9 30 .220 .281 .390 .672 89 48 2 2 0 1 0 897/D 2012 20 LAA AL 139 639 559 129 182 27 8 30 83 49 5 67 139 .326 .399 .564 .963 169 315 7 6 0 7 4 *87/9 AS,MVP-2,RoY-1,SS 2013 21 LAA AL 105 485 417 73 137 31 8 17 66 23 4 56 82 .329 .410 .564 .974 175 235 6 6 0 6 4 *87 AS 3 Yrs 284 1259 1099 222 346 64 16 52 165 76 9 132 251 .315 .391 .544 .935 163 598 15 14 0 14 8
Thats a bit of an over statement. Harvey is amazingly good and while its hard to say how much of his decrease walk rate will stick even if it regresses hes an ace type pitcher. Corbin is just a right handed Wade Miley.
Your opinion, and it's respected.
Harvey is better than Corbin, but not by much, Miley has back slided, he's not Corbin, but Miley is a live arm with a very bright future though
Harvey is a rifht handed randy Johnson, high 90s sharp 92mph slider and Harvey has a better changeup and his curve is filthy. So actually he's better
New Yorkers going bananas over Harvey because they finally have a good home grown pitcher. Rightfully so, but put him on another team and he has 1/5th the hype.
I'd take Kershaw over him.
The thing about pitchers is that they lose velocity with age and basically have to "relearn" how to pitch since they can't blow the ball past hitters like they could when they were 21-28 years old. Some manage, some don't. Pitchers also have a much higher risk of injury. Tommy John is better now than what it use to be, but it still shelves a pitcher for a year or so. Any kind of shoulder injury is doom. Much less of a risk with hitters
Miguel Sano. Best prospect, IMO.
I'll take Jose Fernandez before I take Matt Harvey.
Fernandez turned 21 like a week ago.
You are a loyal Mets fan, I get that, and it's all good, loyalty is a good trait, but let's not be putting Harvey in the class of Unit for at least another 4 years. Randy Johnson is an all time great, was an all time great for 20 years, World Series hero, the accalades are endless, Harvey as fantastic as his first couple of years has been, can not be mentioned in same sentence as Randy Johnson.
Johnson struck out almost 5000 hitters, Johnson won four consecutive Cy Young awards, five overall.
Know who else won 4 consecutive Cy Youngs? Nobody
Trout plays every day
Trout without a doubt ! Dumb question.
Trout.....seems like a no brainer no
would take harvey in a second
jj said it best
Trouser Trout and its not close to a photo finish
I was thinking about this last night I said Trout right away but after thinking It's a tough call I know heading into the Playoffs have Harvey pitch 3 times in a 7 game set would be huge so now I make this a toss up
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Johnson mostly struggled in Playoffs WS I think more in the WS....Lets not put Johnson in Harveys class yetnow thats a Mets fan
Interesting...care to share why?
even as a Mets fan Trout no doubt. Trout is out there everyday making an impact while Harvey only gets the ball every fifth day. However if it was a 5 or 7 game playoff series where the pitcher can make multiple starts on 4 days rest than it would be the pitcher without a doubt
the 7 game playoff scenario does add some thought to this.
but again, just looking at trying to win as many games out of the 162 to GET to the playoffs.
In 2012 Trout won a team 10.7 MORE games than an average replacement player
the best pitcher was Justin Verlander who won the Tigers 7.6 games more than an average replacement pitcher.
there were not even 10 total pitchers in NL and AL that had a WAR higher than 5.0
Trout would have more of an impact over 162 games.
Remember his 10.7 was put up over just 139 games, at a young age. When he hits his peak he might be putting up a few 12.0-15.0 WAR years
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