[parexa]

lots of clueless losers hating but nets are solid

this is how it plays out. take it to the bank

1. heat
2. nets
3. pacers
4. bulls
5. knicks
6. cavaliers
7. hawks
8. raptors

[upscope]

Shocker Goat Douche falling for the big names again. He can't help himself.

Zero % chance J. Johnson still avg 18/5/5 with this team.
They should maybe bring Pierce or Johnson off the bench for 2nd unit firepower.
They'll be good but not championship worthy IMO.

[BuddyBear]

I could have swore we had a thread similar to this last year stating that the 2012 Lakers' starting 5 is the best ever:

Kobe
Nash
Howard
Gasol
Metta World Peace

How'd that work? Midway through the season, Kobe had to guarantee that the Lakers would make the playoffs

[james4512]

The Knicks are automatically discounted as not a top 4 team which I don't understand. They very easily could have beaten Indiana and they can just as easily finish ahead of them again this year especially because their style works well in the regular season

[ramones951]

I like Brook, but he isn't phenomenal. Very good offensively, maybe worst rebounding big man in the league?

Either him or Bosh

[Sport_Fish]

D-Will will go down as a top 10 PG of all time???

Just think for one second what kind of names you'd be putting him in the same sentence with...and this guy hasn't proven shit in his career, and last year just verified that. Barring a miraculous run with his new team, this guy won't touch top 10 PG of all time.

[Seto]

Either him or Bosh

Bosh has already averaged a double double 3 times in his career, and averages 8.9 rpg for his career to lopez's 7.4. hardly comparable.

Not saying Bosh isn't a pussy and he certainly was that during these playoffs.

[bigtymer56]

The Knicks are automatically discounted as not a top 4 team which I don't understand. They very easily could have beaten Indiana and they can just as easily finish ahead of them again this year especially because their style works well in the regular season

Dont know how you can say that, when they lost in 6 to Indiana with home court.

[ramones951]

Bosh has already averaged a double double 3 times in his career, and averages 8.9 rpg for his career to lopez's 7.4. hardly comparable.

Not saying Bosh isn't a pussy and he certainly was that during these playoffs.

Since the 6'11" Bosh came to a team where he can't hoard all the stats, he averages 7.6 per game. Fails the eye test even worse.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

cooper never started much....rambis/ac green were usually the 5th gueye

yeah he did.

he usually guarded the opposing team's best offensive player.

just ask bird who he thought played him the toughest.

also ac green came later.

[BigSpoon]

3-4 years ago maybe, not in the 2013-14 season though.

[UntilTheNDofTimE]

Rose, parker, rondo, Paul, all better than Deron. And Deron top 10 all time? Guy better avg 25 and 12 for the next 10 years and win 3-4 titles.

[LRKontroll]

The Knicks are automatically discounted as not a top 4 team which I don't understand. They very easily could have beaten Indiana and they can just as easily finish ahead of them again this year especially because their style works well in the regular season

btw, signing Bargnani isnt a good start at all.

[Goat Milk]

Bob Cousy? John Havlicek? Kevin McHale? Sam Jones? Robert Parrish? Pierce right on the fringe imo of the top 10

But that is not the point of the thread, so I will agree the lineup is pretty good. But not best ever

McHale, Jones, Parrish better than Pierce?

That's a joke, right?

[Goat Milk]

Rose, parker, rondo, Paul, all better than Deron. And Deron top 10 all time? Guy better avg 25 and 12 for the next 10 years and win 3-4 titles.

Top 10 PG of all time. No where near top 10 player. Rondo not even close imo to Deron. Rose is a product of the system. Holds the ball for 95% of shot clock. Parker can be debated.

[yisman]

Deron Williams is 29. That's not entering his prime. That's exiting his prime. A person's prime athletic years are probably 24-28.

KG and Pierce are no longer elite players, and KG is probably going to play like 25 minutes per game.

The Nets gave up way too much for two over the hill players. Celtics are ecstatic that they found a sucker.

[Goat Milk]

yeah if the year was 2007...

showtime lakers had the best starting 5 and they were in their prime.

abdul-jabbar
magic
worthy
scott
cooper

Yeah that's a better starting 5 but I didn't say it's the best I said one of the best.

Cooper was always a 6th man i'm pretty sure.

[Goat Milk]

Deron Williams is 29. That's not entering his prime. That's exiting his prime. A person's prime athletic years are probably 24-28.

KG and Pierce are no longer elite players, and KG is probably going to play like 25 minutes per game.

The Nets gave up way too much for two over the hill players. Celtics are ecstatic that they found a sucker.

D Will is entering his prime. Trust me. Guy will be a double double machine next year. He'll probably lead the NBA in assists per game.

As far as Pierce and KG, people have been saying they're too old for years.

Pierce averaged 18.6 points, 6.3 boards, and 4.8 assists last year. Are you kidding me? That's not "elite" to you? Sure, he's not dropping 25 a game like he used to, but how many guys in the league even put up those numbers this year?

His efficiency rating was the same as Paul George's this year....

Top 15 in the league in scoring.

Garnett put up 15 and 8 this year and shot 50%. He's still a top 5 PF in the nba. He averaged 13 pts, 14 boards, and 3.5 assists in the playoffs, good for a 23 PER, one of the best in the playoffs.

Guy obviously still can play when it matters in the playoffs. Same with Duncan.

[Goat Milk]

D-Will will go down as a top 10 PG of all time???

Just think for one second what kind of names you'd be putting him in the same sentence with...and this guy hasn't proven shit in his career, and last year just verified that. Barring a miraculous run with his new team, this guy won't touch top 10 PG of all time.

Top 15 maybe.

1. Johnson
2. Big O
3. Thomas
4. The Glove
5. Kidd
6. Frazier
7. Stockton
8. Chris Paul
9. Steve Nash
10. Cousy/Kevin Johnson/someone else I'm probably forgetting.

Obviously I'm not including Allen Iverson as I consider him more of a 2. If you include Iverson than he's at number 3 or 4. This list is pretty debatable in terms of order for sure.

Chris Paul will easily climb into the top 5 list when his career is over. Guy will be better than Kidd and Payton easily.

[trevor123698]

you people doubting this thread are penetrating retards. This team is going to win it all. they will play the spurs in 2014. I will bring this up when they do

[easyliving]

Ben Wallace
Rasheed Wallace
Tayshaun Prince
Richard Hamilton
Chauncey Billups

[seancon121]

No, no and NO. The only thing this trade is going to get the nets is back to probably 4th in the east. Pacers, Bulls, Heat > Nets >Knicks/everyonelse. Yeah the knicks will still suck

[yisman]

you people doubting this thread are penetrating retards. This team is going to win it all. they will play the spurs in 2014. I will bring this up when they do

And when they don't win it all, you will be nowhere to be found. Penetrating retard indeed.

[james4512]

Dont know how you can say that, when they lost in 6 to Indiana with home court.

yeah they lost in 6 they were winning with less than 5 minutes left and game 7 was at home like i said if things went their way they could have won that series by no means was it a blow out

[Goat Milk]

Knicks are a good team but they are losing JR Smith and Stoudemire is still a big ?.

Don't forget this was a 1st team all nba player a few years ago. If Stout is the real Stout, yes, Knicks are definitely a contender. With him coming off the bench, Knicks have no chance to do anything. None.

[No coincidences]

no, right now... if everyone was in their prime, it obviously would be the best starting 5 in history bar none...that's not the situation.

One of the dumbest comments ever at SBR. Ever.

Wow.

[Goat Milk]

One of the dumbest comments ever at SBR. Ever.

Wow.

We're not counting every team in their primes. I said if these guys were all in their primes compared to all other teams as they are/were.

Name me 1 team that would contend with this if you had a Dwill today (top 3 pg in the nba), JJ 2 years ago (top 5 SG in the NBA at the time), PP 5-6 years ago (easily the 2nd best SF in the NBA after James). Kevin Garnett, easily the best PF in the NBA when he won an MVP. A PF that averaged 6 assists per game in his prime. Nuff said. Brook Lopez not even close to his prime yet.

Who's gonna compete with that team? The 90s bulls? Please. Miami? No chance. 80s Lakers and Celtics? Nope. Shaq and Kobe? Nope. Those are pretty much the best teams of all time right there. If were only putting these guys in their prime and no one else, then it's not even a contest.

You are gonna get ruined in this argument 10 times out of 10.

[wantitall4moi]

Last year it was the lakers this next year the nets...give it up youre clueless when it comes to NBA its obvious.

Pirce and Garnett are way past their prime and garnett was always over rated.

But like the lakers of this past year they have zero bench.

[wantitall4moi]

How many hall of famers on the 1986 and 1987 celtics? or the 1984 and 1985 Lakers? Not to mention the other few years following those years.

youre a frigging idiot.

[Goat Milk]

How many hall of famers on the 1986 and 1987 celtics? or the 1984 and 1985 Lakers? Not to mention the other few years following those years.

youre a frigging idiot.

I didn't say the team is better than those teams. I said if everyone on Nets were in their primes and everyone else stayed as they are/were. Give me a lineup and let's diagnose it. It'll be fun.

[thetrinity]

i actually kinda like this team. dont think this is gona be like the dysfunctional bunch in la, the pieces fit together, still arent better then miami though, kidd would be smart to limit garnett n pierce minutes during the regular season.

[No coincidences]

We're not counting every team in their primes. I said if these guys were all in their primes compared to all other teams as they are/were.

So let me get this straight: your thread says "the Nets are one of the best starting 5's in NBA history," then someone asked if you mean now or if they were in their primes and you responded "no, right now," and now you're saying "I said if these guys were all in their primes compared to all other teams as they are/were." What?

[Goat Milk]

So let me get this straight: your thread says "the Nets are one of the best starting 5's in NBA history," then someone asked if you mean now or if they were in their primes and you responded "no, right now," and now you're saying "I said if these guys were all in their primes compared to all other teams as they are/were." What?

They're one of the best starting 5s now. We were doing hypotheticals. And I said if everyone were in their primes when this team formed and then they would easily be the best starting 5 ever bar none. as of now, they're one OF the best. Not that complicated to understand... And that doesn't mean I think they're gonna beat MIami either. But if Wade/Bosh/Bron goes down during the year, Miami won't beat this team without one of their big 3.

[No coincidences]

Oh my fukking god.

Unreal. Truly.

You're talking, theoretically, if everyone was in their prime?

no, right now... if everyone was in their prime, it obviously would be the best starting 5 in history bar none...that's not the situation.

So right now, in their current form, they are one of the best starting fives in NBA history.

I take back my "one of the dumbest" comments -- this is the dumbest comment I've ever seen at SBR.

[wantitall4moi]

you said they were one of the best starting 5s in NBA history, I picked 4 random years from memory and if you looked at BOTH teams in those 4 finals you would have a better starting 5 I am sure, although Houston would be borderline but had a couple HoFers on it.

lakers and Celtics match ups had 8 or 9 HoFers on the floor at any given time....


Bird, Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Parish, Johnson, Mcadoo, Mchale, Walton, Jamaal Wilkes. Not to mention guys like Ainge, cornbread maxwell, michael cooper, Rambis, and you could even throw Scott Wedman in there, although he is sort of a punchline to some. I also probably missed a few because there were so many.