1. 05-21-13 11:07 AM #36
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    Bagwell was a big time juicer. 20 HR infielder with a decent average without the horse steroids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pluthero View Post
    Agreed, but Biggio already didn't get in on his first ballot, and to my knowledge he was never in the ballet.

    In response to the Bernie mention...no Yankee has ever been underrated.
    Correct and correct. With no one making it this past vote it's almost like it didn't even happen. A guy who's 21st all time in hits, most doubles all time for a right-handed hitter and the ONLY player with 3,000 hits, 600 doubles, 250 home runs and 400 stolen bases doesn't make it on the first ballot? Shows you how shitty the people who cast the votes are. 9 home runs short of being only the second player with Willie Mays to have 3,000 hits, 300 homers and 300 stolen bases. Absolutely laughable that he didn't garner 85%+ on his first try.
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  3. 05-21-13 06:02 PM #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDeem5 View Post
    Jordan couldn't win without Pippen. Some regard him as just a great defender, guy is a top 50 player of all time and never gets the credit bc MJ

    Manny Ramirez.

    Michael Brantley - current

    Michael young
    He had EVERY chance in the world to do something out of the shadow of Jordan and HE SHIT THE BED
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  4. 05-21-13 06:07 PM #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8ArIvd5 View Post
    robert horry
    maybe not the best all around player, but the guy was as clutch as can be at the end of games.
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  5. 05-21-13 06:12 PM #40
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  6. 05-21-13 06:15 PM #41
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    I'd like to see Omar Vizquel get some solid consideration for the HOF
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  7. 05-21-13 06:17 PM #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDeem5 View Post
    jerry rice

    michael jordan

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    babe ruth
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    Quote Originally Posted by tatddy View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    I'd like to see Omar Vizquel get some solid consideration for the HOF
    11 gold gloves .. feel like he played on 11 different teams lol
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  11. 05-21-13 06:35 PM #46
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    Originally Posted by tatddy

    Chuck Finley



    Quote Originally Posted by InTheDrink View Post
    Career WAR is 63rd all time. Ahead of Sabathia, Hudson, Whitey Ford, Wells, Koufax, Hersheiser, Oswalt etc etc. Pitched 17 seasons. 63 career complete games including 13 alone in 1993. Struck out 2129 batters during his 12 year prime.

    You're scratching your head? Prob means I made a good call ey?
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  12. 05-21-13 06:38 PM #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by tatddy View Post
    Barry Larkin
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    Had to love the crime dog Mcgriff. STill remember press box catching on fire in stadium day we got him.
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  13. 05-21-13 06:41 PM #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by tatddy View Post
    Originally Posted by tatddy

    Chuck Finley





    Career WAR is 63rd all time. Ahead of Sabathia, Hudson, Whitey Ford, Wells, Koufax, Hersheiser, Oswalt etc etc. Pitched 17 seasons. 63 career complete games including 13 alone in 1993. Struck out 2129 batters during his 12 year prime.

    You're scratching your head? Prob means I made a good call ey?
    yeah i get the idea of the advanced sabermetrics or whatever but ive always contended that theyre reverse engineered to make gueyes who are subjectively better, statistically better and claim it's objective....some gueyes slip through the cracks...i mean obviously you know he doesnt compare to koufax

    in reality there was about a 5 year stretch when he was truly a respected pitcher

    i mean i could also say a hueuey like mark belanger was underrated (he was) but he was better than average at best and there are a million guyes like that
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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheDrink View Post
    yeah i get the idea of the advanced sabermetrics or whatever but ive always contended that theyre reverse engineered to make gueyes who are subjectively better, statistically better and claim it's objective....some gueyes slip through the cracks...i mean obviously you know he doesnt compare to koufax

    in reality there was about a 5 year stretch when he was truly a respected pitcher

    i mean i could also say a hueuey like mark belanger was underrated (he was) but he was better than average at best and there are a million guyes like that
    Not trying to say he was Koufax. Sandy obv rated as a top 10 pitcher all time. The topic of the thread is underrated. If Konerko is the topic starter than Finely is in the conversation. Look at the career stats. There was much more than a 5 year period of effectiveness there my man.
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  15. 05-21-13 06:54 PM #50
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  16. 05-21-13 06:57 PM #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by tatddy View Post
    Not trying to say he was Koufax. Sandy obv rated as a top 10 pitcher all time. The topic of the thread is underrated. If Konerko is the topic starter than Finely is in the conversation. Look at the career stats. There was much more than a 5 year period of effectiveness there my man.
    the koufax example was just pointing out the ridiculous flaws in that stat

    he's 210th all time in era+ which obviously you wouldnt have used to state your case of him being underrated

    at least in konerko's case he could still get 500 homers so there's that
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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheDrink View Post
    the koufax example was just pointing out the ridiculous flaws in that stat

    he's 210th all time in era+ which obviously you wouldnt have used to state your case of him being underrated

    at least in konerko's case he could still get 500 homers so there's that
    Fair enough. I'll let those cancel each other out. In baseball, however, much easier to find a power hitting 1st baseman than a lefty starter who can pitch well for 12 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tatddy View Post
    Fair enough. I'll let those cancel each other out. In baseball, however, much easier to find a power hitting 1st baseman than a lefty starter who can pitch well for 12 years.
    well there are about 8 1b's all time who have 500 homers so maybe not as common as you think...granted he probably wont hit 74 more home runs...then again i never said he was underrated either
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  19. 05-21-13 07:11 PM #54
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    did someone really say Greg fukkin Vaughn?
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  20. 05-21-13 07:11 PM #55
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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheDrink View Post
    well there are about 8 1b's all time who have 500 homers so maybe not as common as you think...granted he probably wont hit 74 more home runs...then again i never said he was underrated either
    You know how many left-handed pitchers have more career strikeouts than Chuck Finley? Four.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tatddy View Post
    You know how many left-handed pitchers have more career strikeouts than Chuck Finley? Four.
    you know how many mlb'ers filed domestic assault charges against their wife? i dont know either but finley was definitely one of them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheDrink View Post
    you know how many mlb'ers filed domestic assault charges against their wife? i dont know either but finley was definitely one of them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheDrink View Post
    you know how many mlb'ers filed domestic assault charges against their wife? i dont know either but finley was definitely one of them!
    You would be happy if that crack redheaded bitch blew you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billysink View Post
    You would be happy if that crack redheaded bitch blew you.
    billy she could also stab me in the face with her high heel when shes done

    billy i still wouldnt press charges

    billy find me a winner
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYSportsGuy210 View Post
    I have Paul Konerko on my underrated list at #8 - right between Jim Thome and Demi Lovato.
    duudeee...isnt demi awesome...her songs kick ass...and she has just the right amount of crazy and hot.....no one seems to really talk about her...its all miley n selena...id rather build with demi
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    Blue edwards
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    I think Brutus "the Barber" Beefcake is highly underrated...

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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheDrink View Post
    billy she could also stab me in the face with her high heel when shes done

    billy i still wouldnt press charges

    billy find me a winner
    Drinker I think there is one at the bottom of my empties.

    Drinker I can't find it until at least Thursday.

    Fukk I know about winners lately.

    Drinker gimme a horse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheDrink View Post
    you know how many mlb'ers filed domestic assault charges against their wife? i dont know either but finley was definitely one of them!
    After Tawny Kitaen was arrested by Newport Beach, California cops on April 1 for allegedly assaulting her husband, Cleveland Indians pitcher Chuck Finley, a split wasn't that hard to predict. On April 4, Finley filed a divorce petition--and sought a temporary restraining order against Kitaen--in Orange County Superior Court. Finley's portrait of his marriage is an ugly one: in the below court declaration, he claims his wife is a suicidal drug abuser who is so strung-out that he fears for the safety of their two children. To buttress his argument, Finley's attorney filed a declaration from the couple's nanny, who says that she is often asked by one of the kids, "Is mommy whacked out again today?" Finley also filed this detailed list of drugs he contends were prescribed to--and abused by--Kitaen. (8 pages)

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documen...y-strikes-back

    blast from the past...

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    Quote Originally Posted by daneblazer View Post
    did someone really say Greg fukkin Vaughn?
    Was only a joke haha. Was seeing if anyone caught it.
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    one of the greatest pitchers of all time

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