[eberetta1]

Hey eberreta1. There is no question that "rigging" the software is possible. The point would be why?

Comparing online poker to slot machines is not accurate.

The chips/points/money payout is from the house with the assigned percentages paying out.

The chips/points/money payout with poker is from the other players.

The house wins every hand because they take a rake, they don't care if player 1 vs 2 or 3-9 wins the pot, they just want their rake.

Now to say that they skew the software to pay out more to one player or another, I agree it is possible, but again why?

The age old argument for creating action to create more rake, again is possible but I personally don't see the net benefit as there is enough pots creating max rake that it would not be a huge benefit for the risk to reputation.

All is possible, just not very likely in my humble opinion.

I do value differences of opinion, it makes the world a wonderful place.

Why would I know why poker would be rigged anymore than why would a person start smoking cigarettes, break the speed limit, or be driving over the legal limit.
You can observe it and see it when it is around you. You can smell the drunk person, you can see the car fly by you, and one can see the cigarette smoke.
Are we blind to the hand combinations we see? We have seen so many crap cards at the online tables that there does not need to be a bad beat for the next 5 years for the crap we all see online in one year. I assume it is to make a buck or save time which the two are interchangeable.

The velocity of money is another reason one would want to 'rig' poker. Two people play $100 vs $100. If I am the house, I do not want $4 rake and one person leave a winner and another player go home the loser. I will program the software to keep both players in the game, so I can get $50 rake from both players. And keep telling them, that player sitting across from you is taking your money. No, the house has $100 of your guy's money, and it was not dealt any cards. Almost like playing cards with Uncle Sam who happens to have my FullTilt money as I speak.

Again, we want our cigarettes, we want our fast car, we want the alcohol even though we drive over the limit, and we want our poker. Is there a problem officer?

You: Comparing online poker to slot machines is not accurate.
Me: I think they are both used to make money for the company.
You: The chips/points/money payout with poker is from the other players.
Me: I agree. The house keeps a share.
You: The chips/points/money payout is from the house with the assigned percentages paying out.
Me: Unless the house has added to the payouts, all of it is paid out from losing players funds.
You: The house wins every hand because they take a rake, they don't care if player 1 vs 2 or 3-9 wins the pot, they just want their rake.
Me: Do they want $4 rake or $50 rake, software can be used to assist goal.
You: Now to say that they skew the software to pay out more to one player or another, I agree it is possible, but again why?
Me: Then there would have been no need for superaccounts, huh? But they were created. Obviously the benefits outweighed the risk of being found out.
You: The age old argument for creating action to create more rake, again is possible but I personally don't see the net benefit.
Me: Because you do not see the benefit does not make it not so. I would as a company rather see $4 rake generated than $50. Oops, that would be giving away the store, I would as a company rather see $50 rake generated than $4.
You: there is enough pots creating max rake that it would not be a huge benefit for the risk to reputation.
Me: Myth. There are not enough pots to generate the desired raked. Use software to assist my rake accumulation.

I just see so many opposites in our ideas. But poker is the same, I believe my all in can beat your all in. Sometimes my all in takes you. And sometimes your all in takes me, so the correct answer is probably, some of what you say and some of what I say is correct. But we both have less funds added together remaining after trying to prove our point. I do not have your $100 and you do not have my $100. One of us walked away with $0, the other walked away a winner with $95, and we are left guessing where the other $105 went. Cool discussion BeerDog.

Two last comments. If a person is concerned about rake, they should not be playing poker.
Second, code cannot control one condition. A player doing an all in and everyone folds to that player. That player will win that hand. Software cannot do a thing about it, except maybe lose the internet connection. Hence, a lot of my play is all in or fold. I would prefer everyone folding to my allin than being called anyday.

[sinmiedo]

Eberetta:
, you may be right that cash game on line poker may be writen to produce the maximun amount of rake for the comepaney.In online poker as well as the one play at any casino, there is only one winner, "the house"however, i see absolutly no corrolation her to signifie that SBR poker is RIGGED,
SBR makes no money at all from the enteraiment they provide to us, ergo, no motivation to rigg the program.
Poker especially Hold em is an very complex mathematical game were probabilites plays the game, but, where you add the personality factor of any player, that genereates a new set of varibales, that are not mathematical but phsycological.
In the end the game is both mental mathematical and some luck.
Reading the oponent, the board and making desicion is all about the game, and many times the odds creates this enviroment.
\Again in my oppinion SBR poker may be programed to create a lot of action, however, i do not think for a secon that is rigged!!!!!!!!!!!!
best regards to all

[eberetta1]

It's just tiring to many players to see KJ lose to K5, AA lose to AQ, 84 lose to 83. The odds say one thing,
and our online experience says another. It's like playing roulette, russian roulette... . And we all see bad players who have been rewarded for dishing out the bad beat. I saw an 8 4 win the other day, off suit. In the beginning of a game. It's like what is this a bluff? to an AJ and an A4 pops on the flop. The turn 8, river 8. It's like I am glad I did not go in that hand with my A10.

[JayLA]

I would prefer everyone folding to my allin than being called anyday.

I agree with your post. Very true. Most dealers I know agree with online poker being "rigged" to make tables more profitable.
But this last part reminded me of a live 2$/5 cash game hand I once had.

I got AKs one position right of button and before/after me there was crazy action. To the point where I had to -CALL- too large of an amount of my hand to merely see flop.
I couldn't believe this was happening. I took a swig of my beer and went all in. I had most players covered so every single one of them folded.

the dealer said, "that's how you take care of a family pot." still talk to him...great poker player.

After some odd years of playing poker, I MUCH rather be folded to than called. You simply don't know what the other asshole is doing.


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online poker is a joke. stop it

[mikejamm]

The velocity of money is another reason one would want to 'rig' poker. Two people play $100 vs $100. If I am the house, I do not want $4 rake and one person leave a winner and another player go home the loser. I will program the software to keep both players in the game, so I can get $50 rake from both players. And keep telling them, that player sitting across from you is taking your money. No, the house has $100 of your guy's money, and it was not dealt any cards. Almost like playing cards with Uncle Sam who happens to have my FullTilt money as I speak.

This is exactly what happens here at sbr. People can state that it's just points and yes, they don't have any real value if you're a not pro. But if you're a pro and acquire a large sum of them, they can be exchanged for something of value. That's why it's in sbr's best interest to rigg the fuk'in system to generate as much rake as possible, just like you stated, and program the percentages in favor of the newbie non pro player! They're fuk'in well aware of the fact these points are worthless to a non pro. I've witnessed it time after time watching the play of a newbie or non pro vs an sbr pro. I've even kept a spreadsheet along with my notes on players, because I'm well aware of this particular bullshit variable and watch it often play out in the course of a tournament and during rollover!

Another example is during rollover, a player with a 1st place rollover of 1200 is going to win a higher percentage of a hands vs a player who is playing with real points or a smaller rollover. It doesn't cost sbr shit until that particular player hits that 1200 threshold! So its rigged to make sure that player will win a higher number of hands via so called bad beats and fuk'in one outer river cards that seem to just miraculously hit at the right time. Where as someone with a smaller rollover or playing with real points is not going to see that same variance. Honestly, how many times has anyone went to cash tables with a 25, 35, or 50 point rollover and come away with shit? The fuk'in starting hands are shitty and the percentages are certainly not ever in your favor.

And take this into account next time you are running hot during your rollover! Watch what the fuk happens once you do hit your rollover and decide to stick around and continue playing. You wanna see some ass sucking variance once those points become actual "real" points, well then just keep playing!

Like I said, I've done the research to prove it and I really wouldn't bring this up if I didn't have some evidence of the redundant repetition to show what a piece of shit program this poker software is. I understand how the fuk'in game works and the fact that it's in sbr's best interest to entice new players to wanna play, win, and become pros. However, doing so at the expense of rigging the software and calling it variance or luck because some newbie non pro asshole calls your pocket AA with 10,2 and hits trips, is unethical and morally fuk'ed up. Yeah,I'm well aware that bad beats happen and are a part of the game, but when it's a constant that never changes, something is really wrong here.

And to the haters and people who claim that this bullshit doesn't exist, well to that I say most you are probably in sbr's happy little fuk'in glee club. The opie and sbr John fuk'in ass kissers and the new guys who think "Wow, I won a fuk'in tourney, this place is awesome!" Enjoy your little fuk'in honeymoon, you're being suck right into the trap!

[SBR_John]

Like I said, I've done the research to prove it and I really wouldn't bring this up if I didn't have some evidence of the redundant repetition to show what a piece of shit program this poker software is.

LOL. Show it. The only thing it would prove is the obvious...you whine far better than you play.

[sinmiedo]

It's just tiring to many players to see KJ lose to K5, AA lose to AQ, 84 lose to 83. The odds say one thing,
and our online experience says another. It's like playing roulette, russian roulette... . And we all see bad players who have been rewarded for dishing out the bad beat. I saw an 8 4 win the other day, off suit. In the beginning of a game. It's like what is this a bluff? to an AJ and an A4 pops on the flop. The turn 8, river 8. It's like I am glad I did not go in that hand with my A10.

u see that kind pf play in any freeroll or any final push from the short stack. and i have done it myself many times i.
I had a conversation many years a go with a pro player his name is Pat pAZZIN, HE IS PART OF THE TEAM PRO OF POKER STARS and we were playing in a torunament on the same table, i remember that i was short stack and i was dealt a q and my oponent puch an iknew what kind of cards he was doing that with, ak kk or aa , it was a hard desicion but i foplded, he called with jq and pair his q.
the other guy was upset, for the same reasons thats you point it out above. later i asked about the hand and explain to me tht i made the wrong desicion, because of my stack level i should be calling with anything that makes 20 like black jack because it was the gambling nature that plays there more that comun sence.
anyway later on i started winnikng more using the stratgy , wwith mixresults as poker it is
In sbr poker only a hand full of players know what they are doing, i would say 20 more or less no more than that, the rest are gambling not playing poker and you noticed that when they start all in in the low levels or the players that are so afraid to play that move all in at any race those are warek players that cannot make progress in thir game, and will get stock forever in the obscurity of the game.
best regards
sinmiedo

[opie1988]

LOL. Show it. The only thing it would prove is the obvious...you whine far better than you play.

Mikejizz buried yet again.

Mike....a little early to be on the firewater, isn't it?

[milwaukee mike]

Mikejizz buried yet again.

Mike....a little early to be on the firewater, isn't it?

brings me back to my college days. i used to drink this stuff by the bottle. one time me and a buddy passed out and when i woke up he was wiping up this huge pool of his brown vomit, still haunts me to this day

[daneblazer]

brings me back to my college days. i used to drink this stuff by the bottle. one time me and a buddy passed out and when i woke up he was wiping up this huge pool of his brown vomit, still haunts me to this day

Oh damn...that reminds me of this stuff. I had a similar situation. Played a drinking game one night but instead of beer used this shit. Probably the worst hangover in the history of the world without dying.

[downsouth]

brings me back to my college days. i used to drink this stuff by the bottle. one time me and a buddy passed out and when i woke up he was wiping up this huge pool of his brown vomit, still haunts me to this day

You and high school girls everywhere. College was time for cheap whiskey, not cinnamon schnapps

[daneblazer]

You guys are way overthinking this.

SBR keeps track of who has visited the SBR store. Once you begin browsing the SBR Store, that data is transmitted to SBR Poker and you are flagged as a "cash out threat". You are then set up to be taken on a bad beat roller coaster that will crush your morale provided that you don't bust first. It's similar to what Bodog/Bovada does but instead of simply deterring potential net withdrawers, SBR cuts to the chase and bad beats them to death.

[boeing power]

If the poker is rigged, then thanks for the two iPads,$400 in gift cards and the 10k points I have right now.

I am very grateful that sbr rigged the poker for a prick from Canada like me.

[milwaukee mike]

You and high school girls everywhere. College was time for cheap whiskey, not cinnamon schnapps

100 proof, not 42 proof like wimpy schnapps.

for some reason i drank what i liked, not worrying about what other people thought about it

[eberetta1]

Just the law of averages in a 42 person tourney states we will place in the top 20, 20 of every 42 times we play.
1 in 42 times we will place first, 1 in 42 times we will place second, 1 in 42 times we will place third. That is my goal, just to let the law of averages work itself out.

My standby when I was in college. Hell, this is still my standby...

Keep it in the trunk of the car, so ready to party on a moments notice. Shot glass is back there too, so I know how much trouble I am drinking myself into. And, glass glasses. Whooooo.

[milwaukee mike]

wow karkov, that is some cheap nasty shit

i drink it too sometimes

this thread kind of went off on a tangent

[sinmiedo]

If the poker is rigged, then thanks for the two iPads,$400 in gift cards and the 10k points I have right now.

I am very grateful that sbr rigged the poker for a prick from Canada like me.

Well saied!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sinmiedo]

And also a big thanks to SBR to rigg the Legend Las Vegas event that i kind of took down with Kidkongolf .
I do not know how this guys do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Koldazzice]

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[daneblazer]

was just beaten five hands in a tournament in the span of about 8 hands. K9 vs K9 running flush, K8 vs K9 bvb, AT vs AQ, I can't remember the other gems. The last zinger was someone having the software call FOR HIM with 55 which held.

I make this thread as a joke, but I don't even know if I'm joking anymore....?

LOL

[GaryDN]

This is truely a case for the F.B.I (Free Beeeee Inquisition) It is all about entertainment, and for the most part the only investment is your time. I think these "bad beats" are plentyful, however, they certainly help keep it (ironically) honest ! No one truely dominates, although good players do navigate through the mind fields of beats and cash more consistantly. Still a great site, even for the near sighted ! Is that a theory ? Your guess is as good as mine ????

[JayLA]

Lol why trust a computer program to deal you fair cards?
Aa vs kk vs qq gets boring after the 6th time its dealt in one session.

[eberetta1]

In college I would drink Karkov with red kool-aid, awww, some awesome upheavals along the side of the road, would look like I hit a deer after blowing chunks. Nowadays, I just mix it with my diet mountain dew. When I am not aggressive in my poker games, I drink some of this and it improves my game. Going in with weaker cards and winning more hands, Karkov definitely helps my game, but the benefit starts to disappear after 3 shots.

[downsouth]

Just the law of averages in a 42 person tourney states we will place in the top 20, 20 of every 42 times we play.
1 in 42 times we will place first, 1 in 42 times we will place second, 1 in 42 times we will place third. That is my goal, just to let the law of averages work itself out.

My standby when I was in college. Hell, this is still my standby...

Keep it in the trunk of the car, so ready to party on a moments notice. Shot glass is back there too, so I know how much trouble I am drinking myself into. And, glass glasses. Whooooo.

Ouch, but you get the picture. I remember our brands were Mr. Bostons, Popov and stuff of the sort. $12-$15 bucks a handle if I remember correctly.

[eberetta1]

...
Second, code cannot control one condition. A player doing an all in and everyone folds to that player. That player will win that hand. Software cannot do a thing about it, except maybe lose the internet connection.

Funny as all get up... player complaining he had J8 and two 8's flop on the board.
He writes something like...friggin internet freezing up on me.

Some forums I vist have 82 pages for their responses to rigged threads. Pretty popular toipic.

Can you believe SBR allows us to be on their forum and we can lurk and still benefit from everything SBR offers. I know no site that does that in these times.Thank you SBR for the huge opportunities you give us. I use SBR links as much as possible to help support this forum. SBR scratches our backs providing for us and we scratch SBR's back in return when we use their links.

[mikejamm]

You and high school girls everywhere. College was time for cheap whiskey, not cinnamon schnapps

You got that right man! I use to drink that rot gut Jose Cuervo, then moved on to the finer stuff.

[stevenash]

Ouch, but you get the picture. I remember our brands were Mr. Bostons, Popov and stuff of the sort. $12-$15 bucks a handle if I remember correctly.

Dubra was cheaper, if you like to drink liquid drano.

Me and Mr. Booze are taking a little vacation.

[milwaukee mike]

Dubra was cheaper, if you like to drink liquid drano.

Me and Mr. Booze are taking a little vacation.

i take mr booze on all my vacations. much more fun than mrs milwaukee.

[mikejamm]

i take mr booze on all my vacations. much more fun than mrs milwaukee.

Wow! You better hope mrs m doesn't see this, she'll cut your ass off for sure! Don't you actually mean, vacations are more fun with mr booze and mrs. milwaukee?

[mikejamm]

You guys are way overthinking this.

SBR keeps track of who has visited the SBR store. Once you begin browsing the SBR Store, that data is transmitted to SBR Poker and you are flagged as a "cash out threat". You are then set up to be taken on a bad beat roller coaster that will crush your morale provided that you don't bust first. It's similar to what Bodog/Bovada does but instead of simply deterring potential net withdrawers, SBR cuts to the chase and bad beats them to death.

Definitely on to something there Dane, every time I cash out a measly 220 points for a fuk'in pizza, I get a shitty run of cards, guaranteed. Thought is was a fluke at first, then began to see the same fuk'in pattern as usual. Another fuk'in so called variable put in place to fuk you over, oh you can earn points, but watch how bad we fuk you after you cash them out! I'm sure there's some correlation between how well you do at the sportsbook too, have a good run in there and watch the kind of shitty bad beats you'll get at the poker tables!

[mikejamm]

If the poker is rigged, then thanks for the two iPads,$400 in gift cards and the 10k points I have right now.

I am very grateful that sbr rigged the poker for a prick from Canada like me.

How about you do a little experiment and cash some of them out, then see how good your luck is at the tables for the next few weeks? I'd wager to say you'll see a difference.

[downsouth]

See my story above has already costs me dearly. Today get them all in with AA vs QQ. What happens, Q on flop and the other player just mocks me. It was a very quick flash but I could swear my screen flashed to Lou laughing.

Obviously rigged

[GUMMO77]

Just looking at the photo gives me an instant hangover.

[oChRoNiCo]

How about you do a little experiment and cash some of them out, then see how good your luck is at the tables for the next few weeks? I'd wager to say you'll see a difference.

God damn man do you ever do anything but cry a river about everything in your life????? just because you suck at poker it is not SBR's fault man if anything the software is rigged for action like any poker website is to make money! The point would be why SBR since they are not making any money off of us at the tables?????

[yisman]

Funny as all get up... player complaining he had J8 and two 8's flop on the board.
He writes something like...friggin internet freezing up on me.

I don't understand the connection.

Wow! You better hope mrs m doesn't see this, she'll cut your ass off for sure! Don't you actually mean, vacations are more fun with mr booze and mrs. milwaukee?

he says stuff like that all the time. I guess mrs. milwaukee doesn't read the forum!