[jjgold]

Love stories like this

It can happen to any of us too

[SBR_John]

Whoa now, do I need to mention how ancient you are compared to the age of your wife?

Pot, meet kettle.

Well you have a point even though our age difference is half of these two cats. I just think both flamers can keep their peckers in their pockets until Baby Face's game is over. Although if this was his first run in I would think a couple of game suspension would be plenty harsh considering the deed.

[jjgold]

Love stories like this

It can happen to any of us too

[str]

Gay player says kiss got him booted

DICKINSON, N.D. -- A concussion kept Jamie Kuntz from suiting up for his first college football game. A kiss from his much-older boyfriend at that game led the freshman linebacker to be kicked off the team, he said.

Kuntz said he and his 65-year-old boyfriend were in the press box at the game against Snow College in Pueblo, Colo., over Labor Day weekend. Kuntz was videotaping the game for the team. His Wildcats were down by more than 40 points when "the kiss just happened," he said. The team eventually would lose 63-17.

"People around here aren't exposed to it," Ouyster said of homosexuality. "People expect gays to be flamboyant, not football players."

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...ot-booted-team

A guy named Kuntz and reported by a guy named Ouyster and they are gay males?

How apropos.

[RogueScholar]

John, we're talking about a kiss, not a handjob. Are you even able to read the article I posted? Might be a good time to increase those reading glasses from 3x to 4x before you make another post that makes you look like you're functionally illiterate as well as a raging bigot.

[Chi_archie]

Any chance this 65 year old's a relative of Jerry Sandusky? Can he come up with defensive schemes like the 1998 version of the Penn State Nittany Lions?

this school might have missed out on a win-win situation

[SBR_John]

John, we're talking about a kiss, not a handjob. Are you even able to read the article I posted? Might be a good time to increase those reading glasses from 3x to 4x before you make another post that makes you look like you're functionally illiterate as well as a raging bigot.

Ahh RugScholar sticks and stones, don't get your panties in a bunch....... besides, did you read the end of my post before you teared up??? I agree the deed was not a serious violation and a couple of game suspension would have been more appropriate.

[RogueScholar]

And would you propose the same two game suspension for a heterosexual football player that kissed his girlfriend while filming the game from the privacy of the press box?

[opie1988]

And would you propose the same two game suspension for a heterosexual football player that kissed his girlfriend while filming the game from the privacy of the press box?

Uhhh....no, that would be awesome.

Look......you homo lovers are getting all upset because us heteros find this situation disturbing and disgusting. Which apparently North Dakota does as well.

No one is trying to get anyone to change their ways here. ACoochy is getting all upset over nothing. Look Cooch.....you and your man are free to cornhole one another all over Down Under (pun intended), no one is saying otherwise. Cornhole to your hearts content.

All we're saying is the press box or football field isn't the place for that. Not only is it distracting, but also you may break a nail.

[bettilimbroke999]

If they kicked fags off football teams Tebow would have been gone long ago

[Chi_archie]

"Jamie Kuntz said he met the man online more than a year ago. Kuntz said the man, whom he would not identify, lives in Colorado and the two have met there a few times in recent months."

I think this is the same older general that Cougarbait met back when he was 17, he still goes to visit him every august

[RogueScholar]

Opie, if your posts are going to be as full of as much bullshit as JJ's, just keep them short and sweet. These longer posts which you think are so clever are nothing more than hot air, and you're kidding yourself if you think anybody else is similarly impressed.

I ignored your conciliatory PM for a reason, because I don't waste my time with people who speak out of multiple sides of their mouth. You've already demonstrated many times with me in private and in TinyChat compared with what you say on SBR that any opinion you express is tailored to the audience you have at the moment and has absolutely nothing to do with your true thoughts on the matter.

People like you are dangerous, and you attach yourselves to these forums for a reason.

[Optional]

And would you propose the same two game suspension for a heterosexual football player that kissed his girlfriend while filming the game from the privacy of the press box?

Would an 18yo boy kissing an 18yo girl cause anyone offense?

Right or wrong, any 65yo making out with any 18yo on school grounds would be considered inappropriate by a lot of people, but then make the 65yo the stereotype of a pedophile internet predator and I suspect 90% of people gay or straight will be either shocked, offended or concerned.

I'm on your side that the KID is not wrong. It's the adults around him acting badly. But simply saying it would be ok if it was hetros is not much of a defense here imho.

[ACoochy]

Man, USA still has a long way to go in relation to social progression of this subject.

Such antiquidated views here

[RogueScholar]

I see what you're saying, Optional, but who are any of us to pass judgment on what sort of affection two consenting adults want to display in public?

Declaring that an older person loving/dating/marrying a younger person is inherently suspicious and predatory smacks of the same intolerance that led so many in this thread to express a clear double standard for what straight kids can do at college vs. what gay kids can. The operative word in your rebuttal was "inappropriate" and I think we need to be very careful in its application, lest we become part of the problem and not part of the solution.

More pointedly, the question was aimed at SBR John precisely because he has a wife who looks 30 years younger than him and I felt I could isolate his sentiments on the matter to a gay vs. straight issue since I'm sure he'd agree with me that it's not for any of us to say what kind of age difference is acceptable between adults in love.

[opie1988]

Opie, if your posts are going to be as full of as much bullshit as JJ's, just keep them short and sweet. These longer posts which you think are so clever are nothing more than hot air, and you're kidding yourself if you think anybody else is similarly impressed.

I ignored your conciliatory PM for a reason, because I don't waste my time with people who speak out of multiple sides of their mouth. You've already demonstrated many times with me in private and in TinyChat compared with what you say on SBR that any opinion you express is tailored to the audience you have at the moment and has absolutely nothing to do with your true thoughts on the matter.

People like you are dangerous, and you attach yourselves to these forums for a reason.

Rogue-

Please feel free to post any and all pm's from/to me at anytime. I welcome it. You see....I have nothing to hide. I've never said anything to you I wouldn't be comfortable sharing.

If you can't take a joke, then maybe you shouldn't be in this thread. Certainly you could tell from the title that it wasn't intended to be a serious discussion.

You might think about getting over yourself a bit.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Man, USA still has a long way to go in relation to social progression of this subject.

Such antiquidated views here

I'll never understand it. Why would anyone care what other people do if it cannot possibly hurt them or those involved?

[Chi_archie]

Seriously though,It does seem apparent that they just wanted to get rid of the kid because either the coaches just couldn't deal with a gay guy on the team, or at the very least, dealing with the drama and extra crap of having a gay guy in the locker room that would be distracting a team of 18-23 year old uber-jock male types.

At the same time i'm a bit concerned that it doesn't seem to me that any of the quotes from the university officials that there was any concern over who this 65 year old was and how he got there so easily.

one article I read, the Kuntz kid admitted they aren't supposed to have contact with outsiders at the games, let alone have them in a press box.

Didn't Ohio State just have a scandal, where some sexual predator infiltrated the team's functions and was posting twitter pictures of him with recruits and players, and when discovered Ohio State had some kids decide to de-commit?

the climate of college sports in general has to be a bit hyper sensitive right now I'd imagine in the wake of Sandusky, Bernie Fine @ Syracuse and the Minnesota State football coach/child porn stuff.

hopefully he'll hook on with another school

[MonkeyF0cker]

Rogue-

Please feel free to post any and all pm's from/to me at anytime. I welcome it. You see....I have nothing to hide. I've never said anything to you I wouldn't be comfortable sharing.

If you can't take a joke, then maybe you shouldn't be in this thread. Certainly you could tell from the title that it wasn't intended to be a serious discussion.

You might think about getting over yourself a bit.

Except there's really nothing funny about the situation this kid is in - at all. Shit like that affects people. For the rest of their lives.

What does laughing it off accomplish? It only encourages the bigotry to continue.

[RogueScholar]

Nice about face, Opie.

If you can't recognize that not every single conversation that takes place on SBR is a joke to the participants the way your presence here is a joke to you (and to some of us too), then you're only painting a target on your back when you wade into a topic that means something to some of us with more of your well-practiced double talk.

Not everything that starts as someone's idea of a joke has to remain so, sometimes they morph into a genuine exchange of ideas between adults. There are plenty of threads here which can serve as bouncy-castles for your clowning, why not learn to better distinguish those from threads like these?

[Chi_archie]

I think it is also high time that SBR reinstitute the points program for all homosexual posters!

SBR could take the lead in reversing some of this backwards thinking regarding sexual orientation.

I get points for goodness sakes, and I stole like 24,000 of them!

at least take HALF my points away since i'm not even 50% straight!

[KingJD31]

A lot of demented people in this thread, you got 21 year old guys have sex with 17 year old girl labeled as a pedophile then you got a 65 year old male and 18 male don't worry about he hit the almighty age of 18

[opie1988]

Nice about face, Opie.

If you can't recognize that not every single conversation that takes place on SBR is a joke to the participants the way your presence here is a joke to you (and to some of us too), then you're only painting a target on your back when you wade into a topic that means something to some of us with more of your well-practiced double talk.

Not everything that starts as someone's idea of a joke has to remain so, sometimes they morph into a genuine exchange of ideas between adults. There are plenty of threads here which can serve as bouncy-castles for your clowning, why not learn to better distinguish those from threads like these?

Again, why did you choose to enter a thread with a title such as this one if you were looking to engage in serious discussion?

If anything, you seem to be the one in the wrong place here.

P.S. You might think of taking your own advice regarding brevity in your responses. Again, we know you have a broad vocabulary. We all get it.

[MonkeyF0cker]

A lot of demented people in this thread, you got 21 year old guys have sex with 17 year old girl labeled as a pedophile then you got a 65 year old male and 18 male don't worry about he hit the almighty age of 18

Exactly. Why can 16 year olds drive and 15 year olds can't? Why can someone 21 years old drink a beer and someone 20 years 364 days old get arrested for it? I'm just realizing this now too, KingJD31, but IT'S DEMENTED!!!!

[MonkeyF0cker]

Again, why did you choose to enter a thread with a title such as this one if you were looking to engage in serious discussion?

If anything, you seem to be the one in the wrong place here.

P.S. You might think of taking your own advice regarding brevity in your responses. Again, we know you have a broad vocabulary. We all get it.

FYI... Two threads were merged into this one.

The more serious thread title took a backseat to the jjgold one.

[RogueScholar]

Actually Opie, if you were really a Mod, you'd know that I didn't enter this thread voluntarily. I started my own thread designed to be a far more serious discussion of the topic, which was almost instantly merged with one made earlier in the morning by Sam Odom which I hadn't seen. However, since you're just another rent-a-cop with a badge, you're going off half-cocked yet again.

And some of us have deeper thoughts than others, requiring a few more words to adequately convey what we're thinking. What words in the post you quoted struck you as obvious attempts at flaunting my vocabulary? I thought they were all 8th-grade words and below, but perhaps the schools in Texas don't ever tackle them.

[opie1988]

FYI... Two threads were merged into this one.

The more serious thread title took a backseat to the jjgold one.

Did not know that!

If that's the case, then we have a definite misunderstanding. Rest assured I only intended to enter the "There's hope for JJ" thread.

[Optional]

I see what you're saying, Optional, but who are any of us to pass judgment on what sort of affection two consenting adults want to display in public?

Declaring that an older person loving/dating/marrying a younger person is inherently suspicious and predatory smacks of the same intolerance that led so many in this thread to express a clear double standard for what straight kids can do at college vs. what gay kids can. The operative word in your rebuttal was "inappropriate" and I think we need to be very careful in its application, lest we become part of the problem and not part of the solution.

Normally I would agree. Standing up against prejudice is obviously the best way to try and change things, but you have to pick you're fights.

This should not be about if him kissing anyone was right or wrong, it should be about the Coach sacking him for coming forward with a very tough truth that outrages people most I think.

I've had to deal with a 17yo coming home with a 45yo myself as a parent. It is not normal or healthy for a sophisticated adult to have sexual power over a teenager imho. gay or straight. I'd want my kids school to see the relationship as inappropriate and do what it can to nurture and protect the student, and lead them into making better choices for a partner. Again that is from a parents view. I assume you won't agree about the age thing, but that's a whole separate argument that has nothing to do with sexuality really.

Both gay and straight guys will fantasize about young partners, does not make it right to act on it.

More pointedly, the question was aimed at SBR John precisely because he has a wife who looks 30 years younger than him and I felt I could isolate his sentiments on the matter to a gay vs. straight issue since I'm sure he'd agree with me that it's not for any of us to say what kind of age difference is acceptable between adults in love.

It isn't right to worry about age difference in sophisticated adults. No ones business. But a teenager is never a sophisticated adult.

As a fat balding bloke in his late 40s I would have 100 times more chance of picking up a hard bodied 17 or 18yo with a daddy complex on the internet than I ever would finding any decent 25-30yo to have me. That's why it's not right when it comes to teenagers seeing much older people, we have too much power over them, they may never even realize if what they think is really free will or just what they are groomed to feel.

[KingJD31]

IMO there should be no legal age for sex I mean who am I to say that 80 year old man can't have sex with my 1 year old, am I right or what monkey

Exactly. Why can 16 year olds drive and 15 year olds can't? Why can someone 21 years old drink a beer and someone 20 years 364 days old get arrested for it? I'm just realizing this now too, KingJD31, but IT'S DEMENTED!!!!

[MonkeyF0cker]

IMO there should be no legal age for sex I mean who am I to say that 80 year old man can't have sex with my 1 year old, am I right or what monkey

Just like four year olds should be able to drive semi-trucks, seven year olds should be able to vote, 13 year olds should be able to shoot up heroin... In fact, why have any laws at all? Ages... They're all so arbitrary. It's demented!

[KingJD31]

Exactly I've been saying four year olds should be driving semis for years

Just like four year olds should be able to drive semi-trucks, seven year olds should be able to vote, 13 year olds should be able to shoot up heroin... In fact, why have any laws at all? Ages... They're all so arbitrary. It's demented!

[stealthyburrito]

I don't see anything wrong with their relationship.

School should be reprimanded.

[The Giant]

Am I the only one fully engorged here thinking about what transpired later in the evening between these two lovebirds?

[RogueScholar]

Normally I would agree. Standing up against prejudice is obviously the best way to try and change things, but you have to pick you're fights.

This should not be about if him kissing anyone was right or wrong, it should be about the Coach sacking him for coming forward with a very tough truth that outrages people most I think.

I've had to deal with a 17yo coming home with a 45yo myself as a parent. It is not normal or healthy for a sophisticated adult to have sexual power over a teenager imho. gay or straight. I'd want my kids school to see the relationship as inappropriate and do what it can to nurture and protect the student, and lead them into making better choices for a partner. Again that is from a parents view. I assume you won't agree about the age thing, but that's a whole separate argument that has nothing to do with sexuality really.

Both gay and straight guys will fantasize about young partners, does not make it right to act on it.

It isn't right to worry about age difference in sophisticated adults. No ones business. But a teenager is never a sophisticated adult.

As a fat balding bloke in his late 40s I would have 100 times more chance of picking up a hard bodied 17 or 18yo with a daddy complex on the internet than I ever would finding any decent 25yo to have me. That's why it's not right when it comes to teenagers seeing much older people, we have too much power over them, they may never even realize what they think it was what they are groomed to feel.

I'm sorry, I was speaking from the point of view that his dismissal for lying was merely a pretext for attempting to remove a gay kid from the locker room, irrespective of the age of who he was kissing. In hindsight that's a poor assumption, because there are a lot of ugly reasons that could've motivated this unfortunate circumstance, and we shouldn't take any of them off the table.

I can of course see your concerns as a parent, and I'm sure my own parents would've been mortified at all the 30-40 year olds I dated shortly after coming out of the closet in college. I'm happy to report though that none of them took advantage of me and my "Daddy complex," and a couple of them made significant contributions to my life long after the sex was over, and out of respect for that I can't bring myself to join you in condemning all relationships between teenagers and older men (I was 16 when I came out). I think you can even find vast disparities in sophistication between people who are the same age, and even between a 30 year old and a 60 year old.

While it's a nice dream to want all relationships to live up to a truly egalitarian standard, the fact is that in humans we're often attracted to precisely the qualities we sense lacking in ourselves. As young people, that's sophistication and stability, and as we age it's innocence and vitality. The only protection we have against manipulation in any relationship is true love, and that's a hard thing to gauge no matter your age. In fact, I think I might be more guilty of manipulating those older guys into lavishing me with money and gifts than they ever were of toying with my emotions or taking advantage of my lack of reservation in matters of love.

All of this is my way of saying that I really can't bring myself to seeing their relationship as wrong or inappropriate before I know them both and how they treat each other. That's why I took the stance I did, that this is yet another case of a gay man being excluded from something once it's learned that he's gay. In my mind that's all there is to argue, because anything else involves substituting our judgment for this kid's judgment (or even his parents) and now that he's an adult, we'd only be compounding his problems by suggesting that his status as an adult is probationary in some respects.

[romecloneout]

why the fukk do you care what this fukkin kid does....does this kid banging an old man affect your life??? nope. is he stopping you from having your fukkin mac n cheese tonight???? nope... is he causing you from posting your fake bets on sbr?? nope. is he stoppping you from playing world at warcraft?? nope...so grow the fukk up...jesus christ you people are the reason the us sucks...bunch of fukkin crybabies....get fukked crybabies