[Bcatswin]

The fuk is this terrible list

[Chi_archie]

its a terrible list on purpose

all the guys have backers out there, but I yhink the general consensus is that none of them get in.

I'm justing askin... "of the undeserving, who is the closest"

[Boner_18]

Original ?. Vlad.

More importantly if JD sticks around for 3k, does he get in? Correct answer... YES.

[lakerboy]

you cant help but pick the worst choice can you?

I thought it was each persons own opinion.

[2daBank]

I thought it was each persons own opinion.

and your opinion is a 2 time all star is a HOF'er ?

[lakerboy]

and your opinion is a 2 time all star is a HOF'er ?

He is on the list. I made my pick. Do I need your approval if I have to take a shit as well?

Guy has had a great career. At least he doesn't strike out 2 times every game like vlad

[Chi_archie]

He is on the list. I made my pick. Do I need your approval if I have to take a shit as well?

Guy has had a great career. At least he doesn't strike out 2 times every game like vlad

everyone entitled to their opinions

just as we are entitled to have opinions that your opinions stinks. its a message board that is what we do.

I just honestly didn't think many would pick Johnny. Do you have more input to back your opinion other than not striking out alot?

any rebuttal to the fact the guy was only twice concidered to be in the top 25-35 position players in his league?

[2daBank]

He is on the list. I made my pick. Do I need your approval if I have to take a shit as well?

Guy has had a great career. At least he doesn't strike out 2 times every game like vlad

that fine,,,actually doesnt surprise me much..did the line move against him or something? or is this a "pinny lean".

[stevenash]

Vlad. Not even close.

This

[Chi_archie]

vlad is easily in the lead according to posters

[BiffTFinancial]

eliminate Damon and Moyer right off, so it's Ortiz, Vlad or Vizquel. i could see arguments for all three.

if it's my vote, it's Vizquel. name a better fielding shortstop (other than Ozzie). was the gold glove SS every year for like a decade. played on a bunch of good teams (though obviously no World Series title, goddamn it) and has played forever so he has some milestone-type marks.

you could make a good argument for Ortiz. won multiple rings and made the all-star team a bunch of times.

[Chi_archie]

solid write up biff!

[seaborneq]

Omar Vizquel
David Ortiz
Vlad Guerrero
Jamie Moyer
Johnny Damon


who is your ONE VOTE?

if all their careers ended today?

Vlad. Played at a high level and broke down like a normal human being as he got older.

[Chi_archie]

Vlad. Played at a high level and broke down like a normal human being as he got older.

I look up to you in these sort of threads seaborne.

one thing with vlad, the guy could hit till the end. even in the minors this year,I couldn't believe some american league team didn't pick him up

[stevenash]

This is all I need for a write up.


An average year for Vlad in his 16 year career is 34-113 .318/.379/.553
He did everything in his career that Harmon Killebrew did but hit 50 points better than Killer.
Dude is a no brainer Hall of Famer.

Year	Age	Tm	Lg	G	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	OPS+	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	Pos	Awards
1996	21	MON	NL	9	27	27	2	5	0	0	1	1	0	0	0	3	.185	.185	.296	.481	24	8	1	0	0	0	0	/98
1997	22	MON	NL	90	354	325	44	98	22	2	11	40	3	4	19	39	.302	.350	.483	.833	117	157	11	7	0	3	2	9/8	RoY-6
1998	23	MON	NL	159	677	623	108	202	37	7	38	109	11	9	42	95	.324	.371	.589	.960	150	367	15	7	0	5	13	*9	MVP-13
1999	24	MON	NL	160	674	610	102	193	37	5	42	131	14	7	55	62	.316	.378	.600	.978	146	366	18	7	0	2	14	*9	AS,MVP-11,SS
2000	25	MON	NL	154	641	571	101	197	28	11	44	123	9	10	58	74	.345	.410	.664	1.074	162	379	15	8	0	4	23	*9/D	AS,MVP-6,SS
2001	26	MON	NL	159	671	599	107	184	45	4	34	108	37	16	60	88	.307	.377	.566	.943	139	339	24	9	0	3	24	*9	AS,MVP-24
2002	27	MON	NL	161	709	614	106	206	37	2	39	111	40	20	84	70	.336	.417	.593	1.010	160	364	20	6	0	5	32	*9	AS,MVP-4,SS
2003	28	MON	NL	112	467	394	71	130	20	3	25	79	9	5	63	53	.330	.426	.586	1.012	156	231	18	6	0	4	22	*9	MVP-17
2004	29	ANA	AL	156	680	612	124	206	39	2	39	126	15	3	52	74	.337	.391	.598	.989	157	366	19	8	0	8	14	*9D	AS,MVP-1,SS
2005	30	LAA	AL	141	594	520	95	165	29	2	32	108	13	1	61	48	.317	.394	.565	.959	154	294	16	8	0	5	26	*9D	AS,MVP-3,SS
2006	31	LAA	AL	156	665	607	92	200	34	1	33	116	15	5	50	68	.329	.382	.552	.934	138	335	16	4	0	4	25	*9D	AS,MVP-9,SS
2007	32	LAA	AL	150	660	574	89	186	45	1	27	125	2	3	71	62	.324	.403	.547	.950	147	314	19	9	0	6	28	*9D	AS,MVP-3,SS
2008	33	LAA	AL	143	600	541	85	164	31	3	27	91	5	3	51	77	.303	.365	.521	.886	130	282	27	4	0	4	16	9D	MVP-14
2009	34	LAA	AL	100	407	383	59	113	16	1	15	50	2	1	19	56	.295	.334	.460	.794	107	176	16	4	0	1	3	D/9
2010	35	TEX	AL	152	643	593	83	178	27	1	29	115	4	5	35	60	.300	.345	.496	.841	119	294	19	9	0	6	5	*D9/7	AS,MVP-11,SS
2011	36	BAL	AL	145	590	562	60	163	30	1	13	63	2	2	17	56	.290	.317	.416	.733	99	234	23	7	0	4	3	*D
16 Yrs				2147	9059	8155	1328	2590	477	46	449	1496	181	94	737	985	.318	.379	.553	.931	140	4506	277	103	0	64	250
162 Game Avg.				162	684	615	100	195	36	3	34	113	14	7	56	74	.318	.379	.553	.931	140	340	21	8	0	5	19

[GOIRISH]

Pete Rose
John Rocker

Barry Bonds should be first ballot HOF, roids or no roids. One of the top-5 players of all time, right up there with Ruth, Mays, Williams, Aaron, etc.

But I don't think he'll ever get in.
Maybe after he's dead.

Are you seriously gonna compare someone who cheats with the the sultan of swat?

[BiffTFinancial]

Great stuff, Nash. Can't argue with that.

[d2bets]

Vlad, obviously. Ortiz could get there some day with a few more good seasons. Vizquel just isn't there. Moyer's age thing is impressive, but he's not a HOF pitcher. Damon a solid player, but in no way HOF.

Vlad had a straight decade worth of consecutive seasons with OPS of .934 or higher. RBI of 108+ except for one season he would have reached but for missing 50 games by injury. Was there a more consistent hitter between '98-07?

[ouman101]

Agree with most....Vlad. Everyone's looking at his offensive stats (rightly so), but the guy has a fukkin cannon for an arm too.

[rm18]

Vizquel just locked up his spot with 3 assists in a row including a DP

[Chi_archie]

OMAR!

[Chi_archie]

Omar with hit number 2864 tonight!!!!!!

[CanuckG]

Omar some nice defensive plays today

[smitch124]

Omar Vizquel. He is the best defensive shortstop I've ever seen (and I'm old). To be the best at something as important as defense as a shortstop is what the hall is all about. Not just another dude who "put up numbers."

[yisman]

I pick Moises Alou.

The guy pisses on his hands.

He did, but so did Jorge Posada, among other Latin players.

I'd go with Vizquel 1, Vlad 2.

Vlad had a great arm, but it was scattershot. He was not very good in right field, but yes, he could throw the ball a long way.

The guy's defense went from below average to terrible when he reached his 30s, too.

[Chi_archie]

Omar Vizquel. He is the best defensive shortstop I've ever seen (and I'm old). To be the best at something as important as defense as a shortstop is what the hall is all about. Not just another dude who "put up numbers."

close thread!

[rm18]

Debate is over obviously Vizquel won, but just updating he passed Harold Baines on the all time hit list today with a multi hit game

[BiffTFinancial]

Omar Vizquel. He is the best defensive shortstop I've ever seen (and I'm old). To be the best at something as important as defense as a shortstop is what the hall is all about. Not just another dude who "put up numbers."

i love Omar, but he was the second best defensive shortstop i've ever seen (Ozzie Smith).

[Chi_archie]

I think Ozzie was great but got over hyped

[Chi_archie]

hit number 2873 in the books today

working on a nice 2 game hitting streak!

[Chi_archie]

can't wait to see Vlad Jr with the Blue Jays in 6 years