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    Over the last few years, it has been proven that you just need to be a really good athlete to be succeed in AFL.

    A lot of the guys have transitioned from other sports to play AFL at a high level (such as basketball, rugby and gaelic).

    I don't see any reason why the NFL guys, who are some of the best athletes in the world, would not dominate an AFL team after a few years playing the game. They probably wouldn't want to play on the same team to start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Can you imagine a 6-3 , 245 pound linebacker that can run like a fukkin deer playing AFL??

    He would hurt half of the aussies

    AFL edge of course but they would physically get pounded
    That American linebacker you talk about might not be so effective without his helmet and shoulder pads! He might hurt himself.

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    I thin JJ is becoming obsessed with AFL. He will not remember what NFL is in 12 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACoochy View Post
    Can see defensive linebackers making a decent prop in rugby union. 300lbs+ designed for short powerful bursts no padding or helmets though
    Definitely. Rugby Union is very similar to Gridiron I think.

    Could do a hybrid version of those 2.

    AFL is just way too different.

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    People are actually taking this thread seriously? They are 2 completely different sports with minimal similarities. It's like asking if a baseball team could beat a cricket team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Can you imagine a 6-3 , 245 pound linebacker that can run like a fukkin deer playing AFL??

    He would hurt half of the aussies

    AFL edge of course but they would physically get pounded
    You can't do 'hits' under AFL rules.
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    The only thing stopping JJ from admitting AFL is so much better than NFL is the fact that it wasn't invented by Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brettels View Post
    The only thing stopping JJ from admitting AFL is so much better than NFL is the fact that it wasn't invented by Americans.
    The major issue is aerobic fitness - to play Australian Rules, Rugby League, Rugby Union or Soccer requires a high level of aerobic fitness. Amercian Football players do not have that fitness on the whole.

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    Well, I really don't know the rules of rugby all that well, but I think people are wrong when they say NFL players would be significantly out matched in overall endurance. These people are professional athletes with daily routines based on training their running/tackling/lifting/jumping abilities for hours and hours to the point normal human beings would die of exhaustion. (as I'm sure the AFL players have unimaginably rigorous conditioning routines as well) Would Brian Urlacher be competitive in a 5K or some other endurance running event? Hell no, but I'm sure he wouldn't be gasping for air halfway through the race. No way would the team consist of nothing but centers, long snappers and other O-linemen (which is what I think a lot of people were imagining in this scenario for some reason), it would be defensive backs/secondary, wide receivers, and maybe RBs or tight ends too. The sheer quickness and agility advantage these players would have (not to mention the advantage of being enormously strong and big) would make it tough to do anything physical against them.

    Real problem would be the kicking aspect I feel like, I can't imagine cornerbacks and defensive linemen picking that up very efficiently (but hey, who knows? maybe they could find enough "kicking talent" to get by). Plus, theres probably a lot of rugby skills they would not have, so they really would need adequate prep. time.

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    No ******* prep time needed, the only time kicking is really needed is if the drive is stopped right ? many college football teams could immediately whoop them dundees at their own game. have you ever talked to any australians ? shithouse this, shithouse that, lets get another pint...and the kiwis, don't get me started, most of them are blind....

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    Funny how people think you can just "train" for endurance. If you are an explosive RB/WR who's fast, quick and can jump high you are NEVER going to have "endurance". EVER.

    What's next, you guys are going to "train" Kenyans to run the 100m sprint because they are Black....



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    Quote Originally Posted by k13 View Post
    Funny how people think you can just "train" for endurance. If you are an explosive RB/WR who's fast, quick and can jump high you are NEVER going to have "endurance". EVER.

    What's next, you guys are going to "train" Kenyans to run the 100m sprint because they are Black....


    Oh yes, perfect analogy einstein, try a bit harder, maybe you can become a bigger idiot...

    No all-world rugby squad would stand a chance, the skills needed are identical, no prep time needed, none.

    blind rugby drunks are beyond inferior.

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    A couple of points. The afl is actually trying to recruit college athletes that do not make it to the pros and get them interested in pursuing an afl career. Basically the only guys that would have a hope of converting to the highest level would be someone 6 foot 7 plus that can jump and not be scared of taking a hit. So they are basically targeting basketballers rather than nfl types


    A couple of guys from the states have tried and not even really come close. I was actually friendly with a black american who tried to make it about 20 years ago and he did not even come close. (reserves level). This guy was built like Adonisand super quick. Played college ball as a wide receiver from memory.


    Anyways it would be great if the states starting playing as it is the greastest game on the planet.

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    Also I think the nfl guys would lose by about 180 points. That is akin to losing a nfl game with a score of about 150 to 6. Or bball 180 to 30. We have some expansion reams playing at the moment and they will lose by about 80 points each game for about two years and they are filled with elite young players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussieH View Post
    A couple of points. The afl is actually trying to recruit college athletes that do not make it to the pros and get them interested in pursuing an afl career. Basically the only guys that would have a hope of converting to the highest level would be someone 6 foot 7 plus that can jump and not be scared of taking a hit. So they are basically targeting basketballers rather than nfl types


    A couple of guys from the states have tried and not even really come close. I was actually friendly with a black american who tried to make it about 20 years ago and he did not even come close. (reserves level). This guy was built like Adonisand super quick. Played college ball as a wide receiver from memory.


    Anyways it would be great if the states starting playing as it is the greastest game on the planet.

    6'7" athletic, lmao, sure you have many of them down there....maybe 3, and they all play basketball for St. Marys

    you third worlders are too funny, all tucked away down there... any ruggy chumps, even euros, are no match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gee View Post
    Over the last few years, it has been proven that you just need to be a really good athlete to be succeed in AFL.

    A lot of the guys have transitioned from other sports to play AFL at a high level (such as basketball, rugby and gaelic).

    I don't see any reason why the NFL guys, who are some of the best athletes in the world, would not dominate an AFL team after a few years playing the game. They probably wouldn't want to play on the same team to start.
    You do make a good point, but consider this:

    Most of the guys that have transitioned well were ruckmen, which is a specialised role, probably the most specialised in aussie rules. Dean Brogan, Mike Pyke, Naitanui (to a lesser extent) and others like him. The main exception to these are the Irish fellas, whom are completely different to NFL players and have very good, but different, type of athletic ability. There are no NFL players with the skill sets and the type of long running athletic ability as the gaelic players. Bare in mind also, that the AFL clubs tend to recruit the pick-of-the-bunch in gealic football.

    The only way I see an NFL player making it is if he was good for a ruck role, that is more than reasonable. Perhaps full forward, but I don't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussieH View Post
    So they are basically targeting basketballers rather than nfl types
    Yes, ruckmen. I've never played american football, have played aussie rules and basketball, I have found that basketball requires a lot more fitness than aussie rules for me personally (you might be different). My point is, basketballers have good fitness and other qualities that might make them a good ruckman. They have a niche they can fill.

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    ******* ridiculous thread. Look at Karmichael Hunt, if you want to have a reasonable comparison for an nfl player. He was a star in rugby and when he made the change to aussie rules he had several months to prepare, and he was terrible. Being good at tackling doesn't automaticly make you a good aussie rules player.
    The skillset required to play at an elite level is huge. Look at the fat ***** player linebacker or whatever in the nfl, ever see them run the length of the field for a touchdown? Rarely, because they are fat and slow. And if they do they're straight to the sidelines to get an oxygen mask on to keep them alive. Sure of they play aussie rules they can lay a heavy tackle, but how are they going to catch us? And how will they deal with the fact that no one jumps up and down and celebrates with a signature dance after every tackle?
    I'd like to see one of those pricks run the field for 4 quarters.

    Having said that i rekon some of the more agile and athletic nfl players after building a decent skillset could be competitive. But after 2 months of training that is ridiculous.
    Either way it's a pretty stupid question. Apples and oranges

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chozzdogg View Post
    ******* ridiculous thread. Look at Karmichael Hunt, if you want to have a reasonable comparison for an nfl player. He was a star in rugby and when he made the change to aussie rules he had several months to prepare, and he was terrible. Being good at tackling doesn't automaticly make you a good aussie rules player.
    The skillset required to play at an elite level is huge. Look at the fat ***** player linebacker or whatever in the nfl, ever see them run the length of the field for a touchdown? Rarely, because they are fat and slow. And if they do they're straight to the sidelines to get an oxygen mask on to keep them alive. Sure of they play aussie rules they can lay a heavy tackle, but how are they going to catch us? And how will they deal with the fact that no one jumps up and down and celebrates with a signature dance after every tackle?
    I'd like to see one of those pricks run the field for 4 quarters.

    Having said that i rekon some of the more agile and athletic nfl players after building a decent skillset could be competitive. But after 2 months of training that is ridiculous.
    Either way it's a pretty stupid question. Apples and oranges

    why do you keep conceptualizing linemen playing the AFL game? no one is suggesting that.

    we are suggesting guys like Laron Landry, Larry Fitgerald, Welker, Brady Quinn, Tebow, Vernon Davis, Reggie Bush, Vernon Gholston types would make the crossover given enough time. I mean you don't think Calvin Johnson could step in after a few weeks and make some impact?

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    Would USa Players wear them down physically???

    Maybe Blacks would not like contact without pads?

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    Patrick Willis would be the most likely to transfer over as he has the speed and strength. Would lose some bulk with all the running but would be able to cut it.

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    Just clarifying for some of the people who think these big fellas who can tackle hard would automatically be good aussie rules players.
    That's why i also stated that some of the more athletic players could make the transition with a lot of training. But 2 months is nowhere near enough, and especially after 2 weeks, they could probably make an impact at a lower level but even making the team at AFL level would be highly improbable.
    Another rugby example would be Israel Folau. He was one of the best players in the world at his sport and made the change. He has had a full season last year in the lower leagues and a full preseason with the GWS team in the AFL and is currently playing but is far from a dominant player. His athleticism is amazing and i rekon in a few years he will be a solid player but he has a lot of work to do.
    It is possible but i just think some people underestimate the work these guys do and the skills they have and to think someone could just walk into a team with the most elite players in the country (refraining from saying the world) is a bit farfetched.

    Could it happen yes, could it happen in such a short time frame no. But that is only my opinion after all

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    Our black players will run circles around your black players . Yours can have all the bulk, they won't wear us down physically if they can't catch us!


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    This is stupid. How can you possibly compare them? Most of the Americans in this thread don't understand AFL (No offence guys). You can't just grab the ball in the backline and charge down the field. You have to bounce it every 15m, can't fend off to the head, and there is no such thing as offside, so you have to run through an entire field of players. Oh, and you have to do it for hours, being able to run at top speed for at least 15-16km's (10miles).

    There is simply no comparison, you're comparing a sport based mostly on strength with a sport based on endurance running. Even if they could go with them for 2-3 quarters, they'd be fatigued in the last quarter and would be run over the top of. Silly even for a hypothetical, it needs too many conditions to be a fair argument.

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    Hawthorne Hawks -100
    NY Giants +100

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    Quote Originally Posted by therealdealau View Post
    Hawthorne Hawks -100
    NY Giants +100
    Still lower than the west coast gws line

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chozzdogg View Post
    Still lower than the west coast gws line
    hell gws would probably flog the NYG

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    Quote Originally Posted by therealdealau View Post
    Hawthorne Hawks -100
    NY Giants +100
    Vig free line... nice! I will put $10,000 on Hawthorn to win $10,000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duff85 View Post
    Vig free line... nice! I will put $10,000 on Hawthorn to win $10,000
    yeah im all in on hawks -100

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lookingtostart View Post
    Our black players will run circles around your black players . Yours can have all the bulk, they won't wear us down physically if they can't catch us!

    you think #32 is faster than all the NFL players?

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    gold i understand why you come up with these stupid ass threads and for once i bit. anyways since im here, i think the giants would get demolished, not even close.

    now, i think if you had an nfl/nba all star type team with many months of tryouts and training, they could have a chance. the kicking part would scare me the most to be honest. the fact an overweight linemen while he may be deft for his size could keep up is ridiculous.
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    As if there is even a debate!!!!!

    Put me down for as many limit bets as possible on the AFL team before the book fukking pulls the game. I'd take it from -110 to infinite. There is not a single chance in hell the Giants would even stand a chance or come close. Athleticism can only get you so far -- it'd almost be as bad as watching the Giants play an NHL team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchie View Post
    you think #32 is faster than all the NFL players?
    What is your definition of fast?

    A 4.5 second 40-yard dash, a 10 second 100m sprint, or a 1.5 minute 800m jog?

    By those numbers, the 1.5 minute 800m is bay the fastest.

    Rhetoric aside, #32 is not faster than all NFL players... but who knows how long that game had been continuously playing before he broke off that sprint (while bouncing the ball, before kicking it 40+ yards through some goal posts, all while being chased).

    Limit bet for the AFL team to infinite -- seriously.

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    Good thread I reckon. The AFL does need to globalise the game more. Sure it will never be a mainstream sport but surely the great game can get some sort of niche in the States and with their large population it could be reasonable size.

    However an NFL would get beaten by a local suburban team as the skill set is so different.

    I think an AFL team would compete better NFL against an NFL team.

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    I used to love watching the AFL. When ESPN first started they used to have it on all the time, actually miss seeing those big flags, white clad officials and great competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dj_destroyer View Post
    What is your definition of fast?

    A 4.5 second 40-yard dash, a 10 second 100m sprint, or a 1.5 minute 800m jog?

    By those numbers, the 1.5 minute 800m is bay the fastest.

    Rhetoric aside, #32 is not faster than all NFL players... but who knows how long that game had been continuously playing before he broke off that sprint (while bouncing the ball, before kicking it 40+ yards through some goal posts, all while being chased).

    Limit bet for the AFL team to infinite -- seriously.

    let me know when someone from the AFL, or anywhere breaks the current 800m "jogging" record by 11 seconds

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