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Question for those that thought 49-46 was the right score in fight. What round did you give Diaz? I thought it was a close fight. Thought Diaz won 1,2,and 5 small and Condit won 3 and 4 big. I could see rd 2 going Condit but thought the decision could have gone either way.
That god for internet. You get to talk shit to somebody that would normally rip your head of. Congrats.
Right now MMA is like basketball before the shot clock guys win using the strategy of avoiding a fight just like basketball teams use to win by avoiding playing basketball congratulations to condit for playing 4 corners each round and winning the game 4-2 really impressive
Good post....I won with Condit but I still totally agree. Circling and utilizing movement is one thing and running like he did was another. I guess CC thought thats the only way he could win the fight but I think he overhyped Diaz in his mind. Win or lose....my boy Fedor comes to throw down and thats what people want to see.Originally Posted by freelee
And there are alot of fighters and trainers who thought Condit won ....
Nobody is saying it wasnt a close fight ...
its moving to close to boxing with that compustrike shit---personally i dont even wanna hear about that shit...its worthless.....
shoulda been an instant rematch and winner fights GSP in nov/dec....condit may have landed more strikes but IMO unless the leg kicks add up to the point its helping him take over the fight, they are WORTHLESS....diaz was just taking them b/c he knew there were only a few rounds left and that they wouldnt add up....im my opinion it was CLEARLY a draw....u ask 1000 people 500 say diaz 500 say condit...
Can a fight ever be "clearly a draw"?
Round 1 - nick easily
Round 2 - toss up
Round 3 - condit not by much still close
Round 4 - clearly Condit
Round 5 - I thought condit controlled about 4 minutes of this round, I gave this to condit
I still believe condit came out on top whichever you put it.
Do you not think leg kicks do damage ?
I thought Diaz won the first two, the Condit won the last 3. Round 5 was pretty much all Condit until that takedown. They were on the ground for about 40 seconds and condit got out and grabbed Diaz's back and started throwing some last minute shots.
You never leave it in the hands of the Judges.
If anyone think Condit was "running" I suggest you take a peek at Diaz's face after the fight.
Riddle me this? If you want to punch someone in the face but he's running, what do you do? You run after him and take him down which is a world that Diaz knows and loves. Diaz's problem was that he could not get Condit to the canvas. Who's fault is that? Was Condit supposed to trade with Diaz because that's how Nick wants it?
If Diaz was as dominant as some of you believe, he would have hunted Condit down, put him on the mat and finished him. He couldn't do it. Condit got off some very wicked strikes and Diaz's face was the evidence. This was a 3-1-1 fight for Condit and if Diaz didn't agree he should have done more about it in the 25 minutes he had to prove it.
Sport, I know you ain't comparing Pat Barry's power kicks to Condits 10 year old girl kicks..
I am saying kicks in general lol. True story, i was working with a kid about 16 yrs old teaching him how to kick. I kept showing him the technique and letting him try it on me, he finally got it down and cut into my thigh. I had to walk around the gym to get the feeling back. When you are actually fighting, your adrenaline masks the sting, but your leg still gets stiff. That is why Nick was unable to land alot on Condit in the later rounds. All your punches start with your legs.
Carlos Condit fought Nick Diaz the way you would fight an old school video game boss. Keep your distance and wait for your openings.
Condit had 26 finishes out of his 27 wins coming in and he NEVER attempted to finish Diaz. Once again I won on Condit but if every fight was like this then MMA would cease to exist. How many times did CC turn his back on Diaz as he was running away? He calls himself a warrior and thats not what a warrior does. Using movement and keeping the correct range is one thing but that was far from the case here.
I'm pretty sure Jose Aldo was not running away from Urijah Faber!
No, only Josh Neir and Rhonda Rousey are friends with Nick Diaz. Fool!
I agree that the cornermen were doing a poor job with Nick. They should have told him to take him down.
Shame on all of you who are saying that Condit won that fight. Really. Shame. You are no good for this sport. You want to see fights with fighters running or dry-hump wrestling. You want to see boring decisions. I want to see fighters engage! I want to see fights!You are no good for this sport, because fights like that are no good for this sport. UFC is not going to gain new fans by having fighters fight that way. That is not the way a fight should be fought. That is a form of cheating, IMO. You sign a contract to fight, your goal should be to finish the fight. Not to run around and hope to outside your opponent via legkicks. If you're afraid of your opponent and know you can't beat him so you have to rely on a cheat of an option, then you know you don't deserve to be the World Champion! A World Champion is Jose Aldo, GSP, Anderson Silva, Jon Jones, JDS, Edgar, Cruz--- these guys go after their opponents and look for the finish! Edgar could have done against Maynard what Condit did against GSP and won easily in the first fight, but the dude is a fighter, he gets in there and battles. His movement and footwork helped him, but he didn't run like bitch ass Carlitos.
BallinBlades?!
lol quite ironic and funny tht u'v listed GSP and Cruz in that...two guys who get endless criticism for being boring and taking the easy route to victories!
And yes Frankie was elusive but also more aggressive than Condit, but he also got battered in the first round of each fight whilst Condit barely got hit!
I list Cruz and GSP because they engage their opponents and beat on them. When have you seen them running away for 5 rounds????
GSP is boring but he steal dominates his opponents, he doesn't run from them!
I won't say Cruz is boring. He's exciting to watch, he just sucks at finishing his opponents. He doesn't run away, either. He uses beautiful footwork and attacks!
Seem to remember u also saying tht Brookins beat Koch despite him hugging on to Koch's leg for three rounds. U weren't moaning about lack of excitement or Brookins lack of desire to "fight" in tht one
Why do you post the same pics in every thread? Do you want people to think you're cool for posting those?
Anyway- Diaz went into round 5 under the impression that he was up 3 rounds to 1. Most people watching thought it was 2-2. If he knew he was down, he would have been more aggressive and finished Condit on the ground like he said he would have. Instead he cruised through the round and won it, thinking he won the fight 4 rounds to 1.
V is happy because he had money on Condit. I am not happy because I'm a fan of the sport and hate seeing bullsh*t like that. If fights like that in the future are going to be awarded to the guy running away and getting his ass beat, then I don't see myself being a fan for too long.
Yeah, I was "moaning" about it being one of the most boring fights I've ever seen, so eat that.
Your memory really sucks.
Why do u keep posting ur "comedy" videos? Do you want people to think you're cool?
And no, I just like getting a reaction like yours!
Im happy because I had money on Condit, but I'd of still made profit even if Diaz had of won a decision. Difference is I can be objective about the fight and outcome...just as I was before the fight happened.
Last edited by Vaughany; 02-06-12 at 05:40 PM.
Dont see u say that anywhere in your thread for that event. The most u said was "neither were very impressive".
U were also saying tht Brookins won tht fight, were u not?....
"He kept Koch from following through with his game plan. Koch couldn't do shit to him but land some shots. He was clearly aggravated, as I predicted."
hmmm I recall Condit preventing Diaz from implementing his gameplan and also Diaz was clearly aggravated....different rules for different fights tho I guess!
Last edited by Vaughany; 02-06-12 at 05:47 PM.
These looks like judges that know what they're talking about.
I found a better fight for you guys that like seeing Condit style fights and think that's MMA. Condit vs. Condit. Best fight ever.
How did diaz not win rd 1? The judges were obviously smoking some of that good cali green, before the fight. Carlos warmed up, as the fight went on. But c'mon, Carlos ran for his life that first rd. Who disagrees with that?
Rogan corrected himself and gave the fight to Diaz. He scored it 1,2 and 5 for diaz, as did most rational fight fans.
I personally don't care what Rogan thinks (too much Alex Jones and phenethylamines have infected his brain),but I know we have a lot of Rogan fanboys on this board.
Last edited by illmatick; 02-06-12 at 06:07 PM.
At the end of the day, who cares ?
Condit will fight GSP,
If diaz decides to un ragequit/retire he will fight somebody else, then if victorious, he will fight the winner of GSP/Condit.
He will have time to gameplan to counter Condits style and try and finish the fight.
Condit did not do anything that Lyoto Machida was not famous for.
Diaz kept walking forward because he wanted to brawl. Condit did not want to get caught up in a brawl, so he backed away and picked his his spots. it is strategy. If you guys do not like it, then event your own sport where you put two guys in a cage the size of a closet and let them beat on each other till one gets knocked out.
if i am not mistaken, the odds on codit at bookmaker/betdsi was like +800 after round 2?
Exactly. If Condit was winning, he wouldn't be a huge underdog for live betting.
V, it's good to know you enjoy the style of fight Condit fought. Also, posting my video in my thread is a terrible comparison to you posting terrible gif's in multiple threads at the same time in an unsuccessful attempt to prove a point.
Here is a very good write up from an MMA Radio talk show host
Jay Pagliaro By not playing into Diaz's game, Condit DID fight to win. He plays the stand and bang game with Diaz, he is on the wrong side of the decision.
Yes Diaz kept coming forward... However, you will see each time he did, Condit outstruck him. So who really had Octagon control? Perception isn't reality. Perception had Diaz moving forward. Reality had Condit hitting him three or four times then wisely getting out of the way.
Was it a "exciting" game plan? Perhaps not. But in a situation like this, in a title shot scenario, he was fighting with one goal... To win. By fighting as he did last night, he earned the victory.
People often tend to forget, discipline and game planning are as much part of the sport as anything else.
Another example of Greg Jackson ruining this sport with his Go for points/decisions bullshit..
stfu- i said numerous times that the brookins/koch fight was boring but brookins edged it out.
and stfu again- condit didn't prevent diaz from implementing his game plan. diaz didn't have a game plan. his plan was to fight. he kicked his ass best he could with him running away the entire fight. diaz' "gameplan" was to kick Condit's ass, and he STILL did it with Condit backing up.
I'm glad you enjoyed Condit's performance. I personally feel I was robbed of a great fight. We enjoy this sport for different reasons, apparently,
some people will just never understand dude. its MMA. not slugfest xxx. everyone knows Diaz is the better striker and he wants an all out war slug fest, thats when hes at his best when things are wild, sloppy and crazy. Condit is not going to play that game, why would he? he stayed disciplined got in the pocket when he needed to and when he got in there HE MADE IT COUNT than got out...wash rinse repeat. not sit there and trade punches with a guy who is begging for that.... its like a pitcher in the world series with the bases loaded 2 outs up by 1 run 3-1 count..and say the batter is a .400 fastball hitter...is the pitcher going to throw a dead red fastball heater? **** no.
I know its not the greatest of comparisons but some people just dont get it.
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