Originally Posted by
stevenash
Ok thanks for keeping it civil, Ben and Eli had much more talent on their teams, you can tell me Rivers has had a great tight end, and Tomlinson, and a couple of wide outs, take away Junior Seau, name a great defensive player that was a Rivers teammate, win valuable prizes.
The best defensive end SD had in the Rivers era was Les O'Neal, solid but not great, Jamal Williams was steady, not great.
Bottom line, the Charger defenses in the Rivers era have always sucked ass, take away Seau, Merriman, and Rodney Harrison they never had anyone great.
If you want to use Conference champions and Super Bowl wins as a barometer for greatness than you could say Jim McMahon was great. Jim McMahon Bears had super defenses and running backs, and rushing and especially defense wins titles. Oh by the way, Jim McMahon was a clown and a suck ass QB.
Sorry, Eli is not a great QB, he's a good QB that's had only two great seasons, 2007 was a season for the ages, besides the two great seasons he's had he's had 3, maybe 4 good seasons, and the rest have been below average. Take a look at each and every single season Eli has had, take away 2007, tell me what you see? I see a shitload of picks and a shitload of fumbles too.
And remember, Eli has had a ton of help winning those rings. He needed a Tyree circus helmet catch, he needed a Cruz tight walk act, he needed Plaxico to make that end zone corner fade catch. He needed a lot of help. Oh, it helps when you have a granite wall of an offensive line.
You give me O'Hara, Diehl, Seubert, and Chris Snee blocking for me, I can be Dan Marino too (who I will get to in a moment) not to mention Shockey blocking and making catches at Tight End too.
One last Eli comment, his 2013 season was so bad he was ready to be run out of NY but along came that one handed catching freak Odell Beckham Jr. to save his ass
Speaking of Dan Marino, one of the greatest that ever lived, never won a ring. Know why? His Dolphins teams never had a 1000 yard rusher and his Dolphin defenses weren't that good. That's why Marino never won a ring, look at his career, look at his teams, how many 1000 yard backs do you see? (the very last season of Marino's career he had a 1000 yard runner, but he was a relic in 1999 and didn't play every game)