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    MobFade Preseason Week 2 Preview (9-0 last week! Woop!)

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    That was our thread from last week. This week I'm going to try and get some projections out early to maybe jump on some soft opening lines. These aren't plays yet as lines haven't come out, but just some thoughts about where I think we should be and why. Plays will be posted in BOLD below. I'm also going to try a "star" system with 1, 2, and 3 star plays. Personally I'll be betting 1, 1.5, and 2 units respectively.

    As I said last week this stuff mostly based just on coach psychology and how they've performed in the pre-season in the past, which to me would indicate how long they keep their starters in. This is looked on at a per-week basis and I think you can see some pretty obvious trends if you assume Week 1 starters see about half a quarter, Week 2 they should see a full quarter, Week 3 a full half, and Week 4 probably just half to a full quarter depending on how veteran the team is. It just makes sense that some coaches would value winning in the pre-season, some would maybe just value Week 3, some might not care at all, and various other combinations of apathy. Obviously we'll look at depth especially at QB and now add in a little bit of team psychology in a case like GB throwing up the goose at home last week.

    Another thought I had last weekend was that I probably shouldn't assume a 3-point advantage for the home team when stadiums are maybe half full and everyone's just sitting around spectating. Or situations like in SD where it sounded on TV like they were playing much closer to Seattle than they actually were. It should probably only be 2 or 2.5, so maybe there is an inherent edge in betting road dogs in pre-season because 3 is such a key number and you'll probably keep seeing it be the baseline coin-toss line. Anyway, teams I'm already looking at:

    Atlanta @ Baltimore - I think this should open BAL-4.5. I'll jump on -3, but probably wait it out a few hours to see where it starts moving if it opens -3.5 or -4. Baltimore, Houston, Seattle to me all have such deep rosters that I'll probably just tail them all pre-season until I have to start laying 4.5. On the road they should also be very teaser-friendly as small dogs. John Harbaugh 14-7 in pre-season, Mike Smith 3-13 in all weeks that are not the Week 3 big scrimmage game.

    Carolina @ Philadelphia - How bout Matt Barkley? Kid looked real good I thought, though his stat line didn't reflect it. Another thought I had was Chip Kelly going for 2 like he did last week for no reason from a game-outcome perspective, can really throw a wrench in handicapping. Hopefully just testing out their 2-point offense but that could really come back to bite someone. I don't have an angle here, so I imagine this should just open -3 with PHI QB's being pretty deep. IDK, I'll see how I feel about it once lines come out and maybe it opens/goes to something crazy for no reason.

    Detroit @ Cleveland - Jim Schwartz moves to 13-4 in the pre-season after a win last week. Cleveland looked good too, but I'm just gonna keep tailing Jimmy and that sweet, sweet goatee. Will jump on +3 for probably 2u, fist-pumping the whole way. Will have to think about anything below that, but definitely can see this being a big teaser play at something like +1. Line should be -PK IMO.

    San Diego @ Chicago - SD just got embarrassed at home, Chicago played a close one out in Carolina but came up short. Both rookie HC's which as I said last thread historically have had a break-even record in pre-season. I think Chicago has the more talented roster but I can't say I'm too intimately familiar with their whole 90-man so gonna have to see what it posts at. IMO should be CHI-3.5-120 give or take 10 cents.

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    Minnesota @ Buffalo - Like the idea of fading MIN in the pre-season w/ Frazier being 3-6 lifetime. Don't like the idea of betting on EJ Manuel even though Buffalo did werrrrrk against Indy today. I think you see a decent dose of Spiller and not a whole lot of AP. Kolb v. Cassell is a wash, but all-pro QB Jeff mf'ing Tuel looked lightyears better than anything Minny can field at QB in the second half, so I think advantage BUF there. Line should be BUF-3.

    Oakland @ New Orleans - Hmm this one looks shitty to cap, but I think this could open with OAK as a pretty big dog. Sean Peyton 9-14 in Weeks not starting with 3. D. Breesy I don't think you see a big dose of. Oakland I don't know why we didn't see more Matt Flynn as he could use the reps but I expect he should get more playing time. Dennis Allen 2-3 in pre-season, but I actually like what they did in the draft sans the Hayden pick and am really excited to see guys like Sio Moore play. I like Oakland here I think if we can get them as more than a 4.5pt dog. I could really see a situation though where this open 6.5 or even 7 just based on team names. In a pre-season game. 7. Can the Raiders be a value play? Can you bet money on an NFL team if Terrelle Pryor will be playing for them? Good questions all.

    Tampa Bay @ New England - TEBOW! TEBOW! TEBOW! God, does Tony Sparano have to feel like an idiot after seeing NE use Tebow EXACTLY as he should be used, and no I don't just mean as a third-stringer. His stat line looks awful and he has no semblance of touch or accuracy on anything beyond 10 yards, but he did really open up the run game for NE in the second half, namely Blount. Convert that kid to fullback already, he looks like he weighs 250lbs. Bellichick 29-25 in pre-season with his wins distributed pretty evenly throughout the weeks. Schiano 2-3 and they just got taken behind the woodshed by the Ravens so I'm sure he wants a win. At the end of the day though I just like NE's QB situation better. Line should be about NE-3.5 or -4.

    San Francisco @ Kansas City - Harbaugh 5-5, Reid 26-31. I think there will be some value with KC, probably in teasers. Plus we have the super-intriguing Alex Smith Redemption plot-line. SF will probably open as a favorite ... pre-season ... Week 2 ... just based on the perceptions of these 2 teams. Something like KC+1 sounds about right.

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    Will tail you this week! Extremely good work last week, I myself went 6-6.

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    Kolb might not even play

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    Hrm, Detroit +1.5 at Cleveland..

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    Nice job to the both of you! Any inputs on the over/unders on these games?

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    As of now I am playing the over on the lions/browns and lean thing on under for the raiders/saints game. What do you think? I have a big goal, As far as the others I have no Idea, so any input on any of those would be great, I'm looking at placing 7 good bets!

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    Hey guys I've been travelling and wasn't able to get write-ups for the last 6 games, and wasn't able to jump on these opens. If you were able to get stuff like DET+1.5, BAL-3.5, etc. then congrats. If you're like me and you didn't then we'll have to wait some of these out.

    OAK+7-125 | TOP BET | 1 STAR (1u)

    Pay the 15 cents to get this to the 7. I am taking a 15 cent gamble here that this will not get to 7-110 or beyond. If it does go there, I may be adding another unit.

    HOU-2.5-120 | WAGERWEB | 2 STAR (1.5u)

    Kubiak 17-12 in pre-season, Philbin 1-5. Getting this under a FG for just 10 cents is a gift IMO. Again, I'd pay the juice as this should be -3.5 IMO and I don't think it sits at 2.5 for long. Texans also a deep team.

    CIN-2.5-110 | WAGERWEB | 1 STAR (1u)

    Mar
    vin Lewis 7-3 in Week 2. Night Saturday game and I think this closes CIN-3. Would get now.

    NYJ-2.5-110 | WAGERWEB | 1 STAR (1u)

    Rex only 6-6 after Week 1, but the Jaguars are unbelie
    vably devoid of talent outside of Chad Henne (as a backup). I'll probably be fading them for the whole pre-season.

    GB+4-110 | WAGERWEB | 1 STAR (1u)

    Fisher is a pre-season beast outside of Week 3, but I think GB has something to pro
    ve after putting up 0.0 points last week. I like it here at the 4.

    NYG-1-110 | WAGERWEB | 1 STAR (1u)

    Coughlin is 17-11 outside of Week 3 and 6-3 in Week 2 specifically. Indy doesn't ha
    ve much depth and I think they showed that against BUF.





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    Also keeping an eye on Seattle. Would like it to get back to open of -3.5 to buy it to -3-125. Denver I think is a public enough team to get action at +4 to push it that way. Keeping an eye on DET as well for both teasers and ATS. If you can tease them to +7 w/ a 6-point I would do it PIT, who is another great teaser team this week.

    We'll see if some of these Thursday/Friday games can get closer to their opening lines before locking them down.

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    Nice post, your analysis is very thorough and intelligent, thanks again and I will follow all your picks.

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    Eagle is -3 over Carolina, what do u think about that?
    I want to make a strong play on the eagles.

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    I don't love the eagles at -3 because I think that's the right line. I would take CAR+3.5-110 or PHI-2.5-110 because you're getting 20 cents of value.

    To re-hack the other weekday plays:

    For CHI game I thought right line was between 3.5 and 4. Looking at SD+4.5 though I just don't love it. Gun to my head I would take the points with SD at 4.5 but I'm going to probably just lay off unless CHI-3.5 and buy it to the 3.

    BAL-4.5 I though was the correct line, but I think ATL is a public enough team that we see this move closer to 3.5. I'll probably get this on gameday, hopefully it's at 3.5-110 and we can buy to 3.

    If you can tease DET right now and get to the 7 with PIT on a 6 point tease at -110, I would do it. Unfortunately I can't so I'll be waiting to see if DET moves back up to +1.5 or beyond before I take the side.


    MIN-BUF I thought should have been BUF-3, but it's at 3.5 and I don't like MIN here. Probably going to stay away from this game.

    Waiting for NE to see if it gets to -3-110. If it hasn't gotten there by gameday morning I would take it at its current -3-120 that I see on a few sites.

    SF@KC I don't have a strong lean but I would take KC-1.5 if I had to take a side. Both coaches roughly .500 in preseason, and we're getting about 15 cents of value from true line IMO, which is about 2.5.

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    Looks like Seattle is moving to -4.5 on a couple sites. Gonna pull the trigger now at 4.

    SEA-4-110 | BOVADA | 1 STAR (1u)


    SEA at home is going to be crazy even for this preseason game. I like SEA depth everywhere. John Fox 17-17 in non-week-3, Carroll is 7-3. Not crazy about swallowing 4 but it is what it is.

    An update on SD/CHI, this has gone to the 6, which means I'll be looking to buy it to SD+7-125 if we get another half point of movement. Same logic as taking OAK. To me laying 7 in the preseason is akin to 14 in reg season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meridianboy00 View Post
    As of now I am playing the over on the lions/browns and lean thing on under for the raiders/saints game. What do you think? I have a big goal, As far as the others I have no Idea, so any input on any of those would be great, I'm looking at placing 7 good bets!
    Honestly I sucked at betting totals and abandoned trying to learn them a long time ago. I'll probably get back into them this year at some point, but pre-season it's even harder predict than sides with all these backups. Every total looks like it's camped w/in a couple points of the 41. I think Oakland covers +7-125, and they do that a majority of the time by limiting Drew Brees to <7 points if he plays a full 1st Quarter. Neither team is exactly capable of scoring with their backups, and I actually think Oakland has better depth on defense, so under makes sense there.

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    Going to jump on this now as I'm seeing Detroit listed -1 some places.

    DET+1-115 | BOVADA | 1 UNIT

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    Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the game. In preseason 3 is just a key number as in the regular season, teams rarely wins only by a fg. But now I don't think eagles is that good a play. I really like your thought on teasing on lions and steelers. Also i will follow your play on the lions and ravens, Atlanta just doesnt give a shit on preseason games except gm3. GOOD LUCK TOMORROW!

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    Got Lions at PK at my book.

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    Well I blew it reading too much into that line movement for Detroit to -1 ... it's now +2.5. What I did instead of adding more units at 2.5 is finally pull a 2u trigger on this tease

    2 TEAM/6 POINT TEASE -110
    DET+8 / PIT+7 | TOP BET | 2 UNITS




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    So you are not taking det at +2.5?

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    Hopefully we don't need any points for Detroit! GLTA. Been a rough baseball week, need some week 2 preseason love starting from Det and Balt.

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    Line is moving Brown's way--I'm looking for at least a 3 point Browns win. Horton has that Def raring to go.

    Also like Ravens tonight vs Atl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smack3179 View Post
    So you are not taking det at +2.5?
    No I didn't because I had them for 1u at +1 and in a 2u teaser. If I had taken them at 2.5 I would have bought the 3, so +3-135 (at most books buying on/off the 3 costs 25 cents).

    If you missed out on them at +2.5 to buy them to the 3 and can now only get them at 1.5 or 2, I would just throw them in a 6 point tease with PIT for -110
    . If you need more action, then it's still a fine play to take that side at +1.5 or +2 ... I got them at +1-115 a few days ago and recommended that as a play so obviously getting them at a better number is something I would agree with. I just didn't want to have 4 units riding on the outcome of one game in pre-season.

    Another thing of note is I ha
    ve not bet BAL or either CHI/SD for today. I would begrudgingly take BAL at -4, but value is just too thin for me at -4.5. I had in my ATL@BAL write-up that "Baltimore, Houston, Seattle to me all have such deep rosters that I'll probably just tail them all pre-season until I have to start laying 4.5". I think this is still holds true.

    CHI/SD I would take CHI-4 or SD+7-125 (bought off 6.5 for 15 cents at most books). If it continues to sit at 5.5 or 6, I'll just lea
    ve it alone. Sucks that this is the case, but we have 9.5 units on the rest of this week in pre-season which is plenty of action for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS1702 View Post
    Line is moving Brown's way--I'm looking for at least a 3 point Browns win. Horton has that Def raring to go.

    Also like Ravens tonight vs Atl.
    Support was slightly Detroit off the open. Line started moving Browns way last night into this morning, ran all the way to DET+3-120 on Bookmaker, but you then you saw resistance there and it's bounced back to about 1.5/2. Bovada's line this close to kickoff is usually where a line will close and they're at 1.5.

    Do you like Ravens-4.5?

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    MobFade what type of play are you doing on the KC/SF game? SF +1.5 OR KC -1.5? It looks like theres a 70% Consensus with SF+1.5? What do you think?

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    It seems that most of the money is on the Lions side ... I have this bad feeling that the Browns take this game

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    That SF game is dangerous ... I'm staying away ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MobFade View Post
    Well I blew it reading too much into that line movement for Detroit to -1 ... it's now +2.5. What I did instead of adding more units at 2.5 is finally pull a 2u trigger on this tease

    2 TEAM/6 POINT TEASE -110
    DET+8 / PIT+7 | TOP BET | 2 UNITS



    really like this bet ... but would add a third team for extra value ... would you add the texans ? or the Jets?

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    Im also looking at NE AT -3

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    I agree with the SF game. I don't feel that good about it, and think I'm going to back out and put all on the NE game. At NE -3 AT +100. So if I shift my bet from SF at $500 and double on NE that would be a nice pay. What do you guys think of this move?

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    with the way the Buccs looked week 1 ... NE is a good bet even without Brady ... specially at home ... BUT .... new coach ... lot to prove for Buccs and well Brady likely to sit ... i don't know if this is a lock ... The Buccs are not as bad as they looked week 1

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    if your betting that big ... go with the Texans ... buy a point

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    Texans is a good play because their roster just have so much more depth than the dolphins

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    So Texans at -3??

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    Quote Originally Posted by meridianboy00 View Post
    MobFade what type of play are you doing on the KC/SF game? SF +1.5 OR KC -1.5? It looks like theres a 70% Consensus with SF+1.5? What do you think?
    I'm staying away from this one, line seems about right to me. I would lean KC ATS but I think the better bet would be to throw SF in a 6 point teaser to get to +7.5.

    Quote Originally Posted by mzsajjad View Post
    really like this bet ... but would add a third team for extra value ... would you add the texans ? or the Jets?
    In a 6-point I really only like crossing the 3 and 7. Candidates this week are Detroit, Pittsburgh, San Francisco, Indianapolis. If I had to choose between Texans and Jets for a teaser, I would take the team that you can get to +3 at the minimum. Teasing them to +2.5 is pointless. I liked both teams ATS where I got them at 2.5, but -3 is fine as well.

    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/betting-odds/consensus/

    Consensus is out for today's games. Baltimore, Cleveland, San Diego are the heavy "sharp" favorites in terms of percentage of money but keep in mind this is only ATS betting. I guarantee that most of your Detroit money is in teasers with PIT, SF, or IND.

    Baltimore is a side we liked but I just don't want to lay -4.5 and it's not worth it to buy the 4 (only worth 7.4 cents, books will charge you 10). If it gets to 4-110 before kickoff, I'll book it.
    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/betting-tool...nt-calculator/ is a great resource to see whether or not it's worth it to buy the half point at your book.

    Chicago I liked in my writeup thinking it would open around -4 and we'd have a shot at -3.5-110 and be able to buy to -3. Once it moved to the 6, I started looking at buying SD to +7, but that never happened either. If it does get to 6.5-110, that's what I'll be doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meridianboy00 View Post
    So Texans at -3??
    Texans-3 is solid. I wouldn't pay more than -120 for it though. Most books have them -3-115 or -3-120 right now.

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