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    TPowell
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    Why do they bother with the Selection Committee in the NCAA Tourny?

    FraudNardi has Wichita State as a 9 SEED. They are #13 on Ken Pom if you were curious. He has West Virginia as a 4 seed when they are pretty clearly a top team. They are #3 on Ken Pom. Saint Mary's as a 6 seed and they are #15 on Ken Pom. Basically pick any mid major team and they are undervalued by the committee/Fraudnardi compared to advanced metrics. Seton Hall is in the tourny as #59 but Illinois State is nowhere to be found at #49? I bet MTSU at #44 would get shunned too if they didn't win their conference tourny.

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    You'll go crazy trying to figure out seeds it really doesn't matter because most of the time and national power wins

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    Becuase KenPom is NOT everything. Wichita State is not the 13th best team in the country, and they're not worthy of a 3 or 4 seed. Maybe 9 seed is too low. Somewhere in the middle seems right.

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    If you play in a weak ass conference then schedule someone out of conference. If they don't want to do that then those teams shouldn't be surprised when they don't get in even if they have 28 wins. Put Ill St in one of top leagues they would be well under .500

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    going to be a great tourney. ITS WIDE OPEN!!

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    The biggest joke I see is Baylor still ranked #9 and on the 2 line. Since conference games started they are 0-3 vs the other top 2 in the Big 12 (only 2 other schools consistently ranked). Have only won 2 games since February started, with a record of 2-4. Baylor continues to be the most overrated team in the country yet again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DOM_Toretto View Post
    Becuase KenPom is NOT everything. Wichita State is not the 13th best team in the country, and they're not worthy of a 3 or 4 seed. Maybe 9 seed is too low. Somewhere in the middle seems right.
    Yeah, kenpom has Virginia at #9, which is pretty silly for a team that has lost 6 of its last 8.

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    KenPom puts too much weight into score differentials in my opinion.

    Dominating really bad teams like Wichita State does does not necessarily mean they are a top 15 team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plaza23 View Post
    KenPom puts too much weight into score differentials in my opinion.

    Dominating really bad teams like Wichita State does does not necessarily mean they are a top 15 team.
    I agree to an extent but if you're covering spread, you can really only beat who's put in front of you. Wichita St 14-11 ATS which is solid. I'm looking at kenpom and I'm not sure who's behind them that I would put over them. Maybe Wiscy and SMU but that's about it. Zags play bad teams but they trash those squads. 19-5 ATS is filthy, they're easily the best team in the country ATS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeeluvaGuy View Post
    Yeah, kenpom has Virginia at #9, which is pretty silly for a team that has lost 6 of its last 8.
    Agree with this, no business being over Duke and I would probably take Baylor over them as well. Virginia adjusted offense ranked 39th is just too high to me. Team is brutal offensively.

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    The point of the committee is to make sure the right teams get in the tournament and the money goes to the big conferences.

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    Are you taking KenPom rankings as gospel here? If so, that's a mistake. A big time mistake.

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    The way Ken Pom works is deceptive.

    Has a lot more to do with raw data than it does what we know to be true about certain teams.

    Gonzaga hasn't won a game by less than ten points since early December. If it came down to the wire in a game between Gonzaga and a team that has had to fight for wins against tough competition, I wouldn't be siding with the zags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Time is Money View Post
    Agree with this, no business being over Duke and I would probably take Baylor over them as well. Virginia adjusted offense ranked 39th is just too high to me. Team is brutal offensively.
    After watching last night's game, I'd guess UVA offense should be in the 300+ range

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeeluvaGuy View Post
    Yeah, kenpom has Virginia at #9, which is pretty silly for a team that has lost 6 of its last 8.
    Exactly. You can't take KenPom seriously when it has Virginia at #8 and Wichita State at #13.

    KenPom isn't as accurate as it was 5-6 years ago.

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    Virginia is always ranked in the top 5 in the KenPom rankings. You're an idiot if you think they've been a top 5 team at any point during the last 4 seasons.

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    This whiny little twat of a poster is STILL HERE? Just how long do we have to wait for you to "spend all your points on gift cards and leave". What is a $100 gift card 3350? So I guess through FEB?

    I see you're even back to power posting creating thread after thread. Never change pal. T minus any day now until you create some whiny thread about leaving again when things don't go your way.

    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...2-enjoyed.html
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    Do you guys realize 85% of teams in tourney have zero shot to win??

    The tourney should be 32 teams

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    Quote Originally Posted by tatddy View Post
    This whiny little twat of a poster is STILL HERE? Just how long do we have to wait for you to "spend all your points on gift cards and leave". What is a $100 gift card 3350? So I guess through FEB?

    I see you're even back to power posting creating thread after thread. Never change pal. T minus any day now until you create some whiny thread about leaving again when things don't go your way.

    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...2-enjoyed.html
    I couldn't agree more about this clown. He's been hiding in the MMA forum for awhile and now has decided to spread his wings again. He's the typical young gambler that thinks he knows it all and he's obviously emotionally inept...it won't be long before he has another meltdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKEPEAVY21 View Post
    I couldn't agree more about this clown. He's been hiding in the MMA forum for awhile and now has decided to spread his wings again. He's the typical young gambler that thinks he knows it all and he's obviously emotionally inept...it won't be long before he has another meltdown.
    Jaker a losing gambler who has no emotional intelligence? I mean he's MEANT for SBR. Too bad he "hates" us all so much . Waiting for him to bump his "I'm not sure why I'm taking the Falcons over the Pack but I'm gonna do it but if you can tell me why I'm doing it please respond and I'm also laying big juice on the ml instead of taking the spread" thread with his little I told you so? on the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tatddy View Post
    Jaker a losing gambler who has no emotional intelligence? I mean he's MEANT for SBR. Too bad he "hates" us all so much . Waiting for him to bump his "I'm not sure why I'm taking the Falcons over the Pack but I'm gonna do it but if you can tell me why I'm doing it please respond and I'm also laying big juice on the ml instead of taking the spread" thread with his little I told you so? on the end.
    no idea if he wins or not but he certainly thinks he knows everything..I guess it is good to be confident but this kid has a lot to learn about gambling and sports betting...he is one of the few posters that I find so annoying that I don't even read his drivel anymore and just conveniently skip over it.

    The MMA community here seems to have embraced him for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKEPEAVY21 View Post
    no idea if he wins or not but he certainly thinks he knows everything..I guess it is good to be confident but this kid has a lot to learn about gambling and sports betting...he is one of the few posters that I find so annoying that I don't even read his drivel anymore and just conveniently skip over it.

    The MMA community here seems to have embraced him for some reason.
    Well that is the pattern. Embraced until he has a tantrum and denounces them all.

    He may win but power of deduction says no. Being than probably 1 percent of SBR wins and those who throw tantrums likely don't respond well when they do lose a bet.

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    Wasn't this guy whining about losing and was supposed to quit SBR??

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    Wichita State has yet to defeat a Sagarin Top 50 team. Enough said.

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    Guess I should have mentioned that KenPom is as accurate as any other measure I'm aware of. Look at the closing lines and look at the KenPom predictions. Very similar within 1-2 points mostly. Nice to see some of you classy fuckers still around. penetrate YOU guys. I'll post here all I want. Most of you are going on ignore now anyway. Not dealing with your bs

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    You do realize kenpom ranking is not a criteria for the selection committee?

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    Buried again, TP. Your thoughts are worth less than a roll.

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    The committee always screws mid majors, nothing new here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thetrinity View Post
    You do realize kenpom ranking is not a criteria for the selection committee?
    Why isn't it though? Its bullshit that teams like Wichita State get screwed every year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plaza23 View Post
    KenPom puts too much weight into score differentials in my opinion.

    Dominating really bad teams like Wichita State does does not necessarily mean they are a top 15 team.

    I can see that in a way but the margin matters a TON. Think about it. If you had a model just based off who won games with no thought given to the margin of victory/defeat, how good would that model do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeeluvaGuy View Post
    Yeah, kenpom has Virginia at #9, which is pretty silly for a team that has lost 6 of its last 8.

    They have 2 wins over a top 5 team and have been very competitive in most of their losses. A 2 point loss to Nova (#2) on the road is a great performance and is more like a win. I'm not sure why they are so high but they have played the 6th toughest schedule in the country. I may see if I can get Ken Pom to respond on Twitter about that. Sagarin has Virginia #10 as well so it isn't some oddity

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDofBA View Post
    Exactly. You can't take KenPom seriously when it has Virginia at #8 and Wichita State at #13.

    KenPom isn't as accurate as it was 5-6 years ago.

    Have to disagree about BigD. KenPom and Sagarin do a better job than most others of determining proper market spreads which is enough for me to call them accurate. I'd have to do some back-testing to see if they have got less accurate though. Could be possible.

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    Ken Pom is a nobody

    lol just an auto computer program model

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Ken Pom is a nobody

    lol just an auto computer program model

    2nd shift JJ=

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