[Menses]

LOL nonsense....Its amazing how well the hype machine brainwashes people into believing a top pick is going to be an all time great. There were a lot of people second guessing Lebron and right fully so when he first came into the league...after a year..we knew he was the real deal...Wiggins is not Lebron or Durant or even Melo at this point in his career....and people are ASSUMING....he is already better than LOVE...LOL....Parker is the better player and Embid would gone first if he wasn't hurt..Wiggins is 5 years away from being remotely close to Lebron and at least 2 years away from being as polished as Parker...The deal is a no brainer...its Bennett and Waiters the cavs should be concerned about....its obvious those guys would produce well off the bench....that what is holding this deal up...Wolves want extra....and Waiters is too valuable to the Cavs depth...

[jsmithj88]

Chris Sheridan now reporting Bulls offering Taj, Douggie McBuckets, and Mirotic. HELLO!!!!

this offer makes sense for the bulls
its a better offer than the cavs
best offer is from the warriors, if they include klay

[Cuse0323]

Chris Sheridan now reporting Bulls offering Taj, Douggie McBuckets, and Mirotic. HELLO!!!!

If this is true, the TWolves are gonna make out ridiculously well regardless what deal they take. They can just sit back at this point and watch these teams throw pieces at them for one player. Kevin Martin was mentioned in talks at one point, if they threw him in the Chicago deal they could probably get back another young piece, maybe a 1st rounder as well. Chicago needs a player like him at the 2.

[d2bets]

If this is true, the TWolves are gonna make out ridiculously well regardless what deal they take. They can just sit back at this point and watch these teams throw pieces at them for one player. Kevin Martin was mentioned in talks at one point, if they threw him in the Chicago deal they could probably get back another young piece, maybe a 1st rounder as well. Chicago needs a player like him at the 2.

Taj, McDermott and Mirotic are 3 really nice pieces all under reasonable contracts for 3 more seasons. If that's offer I jump at it if I'm Minny.

Of course they can't jump for another 25 days or so. Bulls can't trade McDermott or Mirotic until 30 days after signing.

[Cuse0323]

Taj, McDermott and Mirotic are 3 really nice pieces all under reasonable contracts for 3 more seasons. If that's offer I jump at it if I'm Minny.

Of course they can't jump for another 25 days or so. Bulls can't trade McDermott or Mirotic until 30 days after signing.

Yeah, you instantly upgrade on D at the 4 if you're Minny. Dougie and Mirotic give you the offense to make up for losing Love. I almost jump on that over the Cavs offer but with Wiggins and a 1st rounder, they still have the edge.

I think I would try to get Snell or a draft pick thrown in if I'm Minny. As a Chicago fan would you do say...Snell or Butler/Dougie/Mirotic/Gibson and a draft pick for Love and Martin? You get a shooter at the two that you haven't had in a while but the defense instantly goes backwards.

Could throw out a lineup like Rose/Martin/Butler/Love/Noah...pretty damn good on offense and D.

Would love to be in the room as these things are being discussed.

[d2bets]

Yeah, you instantly upgrade on D at the 4 if you're Minny. Dougie and Mirotic give you the offense to make up for losing Love. I almost jump on that over the Cavs offer but with Wiggins and a 1st rounder, they still have the edge.

I think I would try to get Snell or a draft pick thrown in if I'm Minny. As a Chicago fan would you do say...Snell or Butler/Dougie/Mirotic/Gibson and a draft pick for Love and Martin? You get a shooter at the two that you haven't had in a while but the defense instantly goes backwards.

Could throw out a lineup like Rose/Martin/Butler/Love/Noah...pretty damn good on offense and D.

Would love to be in the room as these things are being discussed.

And they would still have Gasol coming off the bench backing up both C/PF, and then Dunleavy and and presumably Snell, Hinrich and Brooks.

[meader99]

Yeah, you instantly upgrade on D at the 4 if you're Minny. Dougie and Mirotic give you the offense to make up for losing Love. I almost jump on that over the Cavs offer but with Wiggins and a 1st rounder, they still have the edge.

I think I would try to get Snell or a draft pick thrown in if I'm Minny. As a Chicago fan would you do say...Snell or Butler/Dougie/Mirotic/Gibson and a draft pick for Love and Martin? You get a shooter at the two that you haven't had in a while but the defense instantly goes backwards.

Could throw out a lineup like Rose/Martin/Butler/Love/Noah...pretty damn good on offense and D.

Would love to be in the room as these things are being discussed.

Bulls may throw in a 1st rounder to include Martin, or Snell and a 1st rounder to bring Love, Martin and the dude with 2 last names.

[meader99]

If this is true, the TWolves are gonna make out ridiculously well regardless what deal they take. They can just sit back at this point and watch these teams throw pieces at them for one player. Kevin Martin was mentioned in talks at one point, if they threw him in the Chicago deal they could probably get back another young piece, maybe a 1st rounder as well. Chicago needs a player like him at the 2.

The Wolves get the liberty of sitting back because neither the Bulls nor the Cavs can complete this deal for close to a month.....Could make GS change their mind about including Klay.

[existential]

Chris Sheridan now reporting Bulls offering Taj, Douggie McBuckets, and Mirotic. HELLO!!!!

hello what? gibson's offensive game is hideous and zero is known about the other two with respect to the NBA game. horrible trade for wolves.

[MiDNiTe]

I think its dumb if cavs trade away all that for love, if they do then they re going all in with love, cant see how they can get anyone else since love will get a max and is love sigining extension right away? It would be funny if he signs and after experiencing a year in cleveland he changes his mind

[Cuse0323]

Damn, I completely forgot about Gasol too, the Bulls are in a nice spot. I've been against the Cavs giving up Wiggins etc. for Love but I think the Bulls should definitely try to work something out. They have so many pieces where their depth wouldn't compromised. The Bulls are in win now mode as well, they have a great mixture of vets and young talent but adding Love would top that balance off nicely.

[MiDNiTe]

Unless wolves are interested in this trade with bulls, cavs deal is almost done

[d2bets]

Unless wolves are interested in this trade with bulls, cavs deal is almost done

Not really. If Cavs sign Wiggins (and that's the report) then (for all intents and purposes) they can't trade him for 30 days. This is going to drag on awhile.

[meader99]

hello what? gibson's offensive game is hideous and zero is known about the other two with respect to the NBA game. horrible trade for wolves.

Is there something "known" about Wiggins in respect to the NBA game? How about Bennett?

[d2bets]

hello what? gibson's offensive game is hideous and zero is known about the other two with respect to the NBA game. horrible trade for wolves.

OK.
And what's known about Wiggins' NBA game? The same nothing.
And what's known about Bennett's NBA game? That he has no NBA game.

And Mirotic would have been a top 4 or 5 pick this year. McDermott a bargain at 11. Mirotic + McDermott > Wiggins. Gibson > Bennett, by a wide margin. Bulls offer would be much stronger.

[d2bets]

Yeah, you instantly upgrade on D at the 4 if you're Minny. Dougie and Mirotic give you the offense to make up for losing Love. I almost jump on that over the Cavs offer but with Wiggins and a 1st rounder, they still have the edge.

I think I would try to get Snell or a draft pick thrown in if I'm Minny. As a Chicago fan would you do say...Snell or Butler/Dougie/Mirotic/Gibson and a draft pick for Love and Martin? You get a shooter at the two that you haven't had in a while but the defense instantly goes backwards.

Could throw out a lineup like Rose/Martin/Butler/Love/Noah...pretty damn good on offense and D.

Would love to be in the room as these things are being discussed.

Snell yes, Butler, no. Butler is needed defensively against LeBron. Martin would be a nice fit. Not sure if those salaries match. Love and Martin are like 22m. Snell/Doug/Niko/Taj seem to be about 18. Does that work? Throw in Dunleavy? Bulls would need to sign a trio of vet mins.

[MiDNiTe]

Not really. If Cavs sign Wiggins (and that's the report) then (for all intents and purposes) they can't trade him for 30 days. This is going to drag on awhile.

I think thats the only thing stopping them from doing the deal right away, cavs have done trades with jazz to even out the slaries for the trade like with lebron i think theres a verbal agreement since cavs execs are so confident

[jsmithj88]

the bulls offer is better in terms of overall talent right now
they are giving up their best young players for a star

so the question is whether the twolves want to gamble on wiggins becoming a star/superstar
or do they play conservative and get the bulls role players

i would take the cavs deal because there is more upside and potential from those picks
theres no point in being mediocre in this league
u need superstars to compete for championships
no superstar is trying to sign in minny as a free agent
thats why every1 in cleveland need to get on their knees and thank lebron james

if ur gonna rebuild, u might as well stock pile as many draft picks as possible
look at the sixers, have a treasure chest of picks, young talent and cap space
they can parlay them into multiple star players if the opportunity arises or hope some1 develops

[Cuse0323]

Snell yes, Butler, no. Butler is needed defensively against LeBron. Martin would be a nice fit. Not sure if those salaries match. Love and Martin are like 22m. Snell/Doug/Niko/Taj seem to be about 18. Does that work? Throw in Dunleavy? Bulls would need to sign a trio of vet mins.

Yeah, not sure on the numbers and just throwing it out there. I do think that would be great for both teams if it could be worked out however. I agree on giving up Snell over Butler, they need to keep Butler as his D is invaluable at times. Having him and Noah would make up for the deficiencies from Martin and Love. If they pull off a trade like that and Rose comes back 80% of himself then they're the favorites.

[homie1975]

Snell yes, Butler, no. Butler is needed defensively against LeBron. Martin would be a nice fit. Not sure if those salaries match. Love and Martin are like 22m. Snell/Doug/Niko/Taj seem to be about 18. Does that work? Throw in Dunleavy? Bulls would need to sign a trio of vet mins.

do u still think the bulls are not truly interested?

[Cuse0323]

hello what? gibson's offensive game is hideous and zero is known about the other two with respect to the NBA game. horrible trade for wolves.

I love Gibson's game on offense myself. He can hit jumpers just fine and even create on the block but Chicago has seemed to hold him back for whatever reason. Mostly Boozer getting unnecessary minutes. His mid-range game is perfect for a 4, and he can play D. Gibson is one of the more underrated players in the league by far.

[homie1975]

What did i tell u guys who were ripping the wolves. Waiting is getting them better offers

[STAX]

What did i tell u guys who were ripping the wolves. Waiting is getting them better offers

It is all specualtion at this point, Wolves have gotten nothing yet. You dont even know if the offers are even true, and we all know about the media "sources", just look back at the Lebron decision part 2... Media is as clueless or even more so than all of us (we as fans dont have GMs and owners whispering BS in our ear every chance they get). The GMs and owners use the media to hype up their side of the bargain, it is all he said she said at this point.

[meader99]

What did i tell u guys who were ripping the wolves. Waiting is getting them better offers

They don't have any choice but to wait on any deal involving the Cavs or Bulls when rookies are being included. The Wolves should make out pretty well here letting the Bulls, Cavs and Warriors fight it out over speculation.

[homie1975]

Stax many media members including broussard and sheridan were all over LeBron's return to Cleve at least 3-4 days before he announced it

[existential]

They don't have any choice but to wait on any deal involving the Cavs or Bulls when rookies are being included. The Wolves should make out pretty well here letting the Bulls, Cavs and Warriors fight it out over speculation.

Warriors are basically out. Wolves came to their senses and realized they wouldn't want to pay Thompson max anyway, so he's a non-issue even if the Warriors tried to suddenly offer him. Wolves will only deal with the Warriors if they give up Barnes, Green, and two future 1st rounders since they'd have to take back Lee.

Cavs still with the best offer since it's 2 rookie deals plus another future 1st rounder.

Bulls will have to offer 2 future 1st rounders along with Gibson and McDermott to overtake Cavs' offer.


bottom line: no one is getting Love unless they give up the equivalent of at least 3 first rounders.

[BennyBigNuts]

Bulls offer is laughable compared to the Cavs.
I can't even believe Minny would consider it.

[STAX]

Bulls offer is laughable compared to the Cavs.
I can't even believe Minny would consider it.

agreed, I really dont think the Cavs have officially offered Wiggins, Bennett, and 1st rounder because if they did, the deal would have been done by now. I think the Cavs are willing to give up Wiggins and the 1st rounder, but not Bennet too. Or maybe Bennett and all 3 1st rounders from next year. I really want the Cavs to to somehow keep Wiggins and still get Love... not sure how thats happening though. I dont think Waiters is even part of the discussion, nor should he be

[rm18]

Snell is a really good defender too, he probably has more upside than Butler because he is more of a scorer.

[meader99]

agreed, I really dont think the Cavs have officially offered Wiggins, Bennett, and 1st rounder because if they did, the deal would have been done by now. I think the Cavs are willing to give up Wiggins and the 1st rounder, but not Bennet too. Or maybe Bennett and all 3 1st rounders from next year. I really want the Cavs to to somehow keep Wiggins and still get Love... not sure how thats happening though. I dont think Waiters is even part of the discussion, nor should he be

The deal cant get done because Wiggins cant be traded for 30 days after contract signing.... Same with Mirotic and McBuckets for the Bulls.

[meader99]

Warriors are basically out. Wolves came to their senses and realized they wouldn't want to pay Thompson max anyway, so he's a non-issue even if the Warriors tried to suddenly offer him. Wolves will only deal with the Warriors if they give up Barnes, Green, and two future 1st rounders since they'd have to take back Lee.

Cavs still with the best offer since it's 2 rookie deals plus another future 1st rounder.

Bulls will have to offer 2 future 1st rounders along with Gibson and McDermott to overtake Cavs' offer.


bottom line: no one is getting Love unless they give up the equivalent of at least 3 first rounders.

Gibson, McBuckets and Mirotic = 3 first rounders. A lot of analysts put Mirotic in the top 4 of this years draft, so technically that's 2 lottery picks and a first rounder.

[existential]

Gibson, McBuckets and Mirotic = 3 first rounders. A lot of analysts put Mirotic in the top 4 of this years draft, so technically that's 2 lottery picks and a first rounder.

the equivalent of 3 first rounders still on rookie deals

[Mr KLC]

According to the Wall Street Journal, the New York Knicks swung for the fences by offering Amar'e Stoudemire, Tim Hardaway Jr., and Iman Shumpert to the Timberwolves in exchange for Kevin Love.

The long-shot offer, which was inevitably declined, apparently "never stood much of a chance" and it's not hard to see why.

[vasilli07]

I don't think Gasol will be too happy with a bench role after assuming he is going to start. That didn't go too well at LA. If he likes a bench role, he would have join Spurs instead.

[jsmithj88]

the bulls offer will help u win now but not much in terms of higher potential
its basically a bunch of young role players
cavs offer is laced with potential but wont help u win now

if i were the twolves, i would roll with the cavs package
to win titles, u need to get superstars and stars
swing for the fences and take wiggins, bennett and the picks
hopefully they turn into something special

the bulls offer is gonna make them nothing better than average
theres no point in being average in the nba, u will never win a title