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    World Horse Racing Formula - Keeping Tabs on the System

    I've been a huge fan of Horse Racing for awhile and after watching the Belmont & the Triple Crown winning race a couple of weeks ago it's re-kindled my passion for betting on it. I've been reading up on a lot of systems and strategy on betting the ponies. I've come across a pretty interesting system known as the World Horse Racing Formula. I'm sure I found it googling or something late into the night.

    So after doing some digging around on the forums here at SBR I found this thread (http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...g-formula.html)

    Starting out I'm going to stick to the original system and stakes that they have set up in the 'Original Formula'. Depending on how I do I will begin to modify the system probably towards the likes of JW Cash has done. I'm not betting real money right now. I'm simply using betpoints on the Racebook here on the site to work out all the details and tweaks of the system.

    If you want to follow along, subscribe to the post as I hope to update it daily. The system says not to play on Mondays or Thursdays b/c they seem to be too volatile. So that may be my first 'tweak' of the system as well. I want to get as much data as possible on it quickly to determine if it's a winner or not.

    I'm ready for the journey and let's see if it's a real winner or not!

    // Day 1 - June 14, 2015 //

    Ticket #: 2877792 Jun-14 HST R2 3.00 SBR WIN 3 3.00 / 0.00 3.15 WIN 6/14/15 17:20
    Ticket #: 2877795 Jun-14 BEL R9 3.00 SBR WIN 2 3.00 / 0.00 4.2 WIN 6/14/15 17:27
    Ticket #: 2877788 Jun-14 GUL R9 3.00 SBR WIN 9 3.00 / 0.00 3.3 WIN 6/14/15 17:17
    Ticket #: 2877819 Jun-14 SAX R5 3.00 SBR WIN 1 3.00 / 0.00 -3 LOSE 6/14/15 17:36
    Ticket #: 2877823 Jun-14 MTH R11 6.00 SBR WIN 5 6.00 / 0.00 -6 LOSE 6/14/15 17:42
    Ticket #: 2877826 Jun-14 GOL R5 12.00 SBR WIN 1 12.00 / 0.00 -12 LOSE 6/14/15 17:53
    Ticket #: 2877838 Jun-14 SAX R6 24.00 SBR WIN 1 24.00 / 0.00 57.6 WIN 6/14/15 18:08
    Ticket #: 2877848 Jun-14 HST R4 3.00 SBR WIN 5 3.00 / 0.00 -3 LOSE 6/14/15 18:21
    Ticket #: 2877852 Jun-14 GOL R6 6.00 SBR WIN 5 6.00 / 0.00 -6 LOSE 6/14/15 18:26
    Ticket #: 2877861 Jun-14 SAX R7 12.00 SBR WIN 3 12.00 / 0.00 -12 LOSE 6/14/15 18:42
    Ticket #: 2877867 Jun-14 HST R5 24.00 SBR WIN 5 24.00 / 0.00 -24 LOSE 6/14/15 18:56
    Ticket #: 2877875 Jun-14 SAX R8 48.00 SBR WIN 8 48.00 / 0.00 -48 LOSE 6/14/15 19:14


    Day 1 = -45.75

    Now here is the interesting part of the system. According to the system on Mon - Sat, you're supposed to stop after you win 3 races & on Sunday it's supposed to be 4 races. However, they're not quite clear in their description and examples. In the examples in the system it looks like they continue betting until they've won 4 double-up bets. So that's what I wanted to test today. If I would have stopped after the first 3 races, it would have been a 10.65 profit for the day. If I would have stopped after my 4th win it would have been a 47.25 profit day... Instead it was almost a 100 swing the other way.

    The main rule that I did follow is the stop-loss after a 5x Double-Up bet. They have set up their 'staking' system to have you stop after 5 double-up bet losses.

    So I think I have arrived at Tweak #1 for this system. Always stop at 3 wins Mon - Sat and Always stop at 4 wins on Sunday... I wish their guidelines were a bit more specific on that, but lesson learned. Now, time to move on to tomorrow and forget about the negative margin today.

    Thanks for following along.


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    about 30,000 better ways to spend your time than pay attention to that system.

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    Alrighty, thanks for the heads up. Still going to try it though.

    Could you point me in the direction of some better reading material for Horse betting? I'm trying to soak up as much as I can.

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    Day 2 // June 15, 2014

    According to the system you're supposed to lay off on Mondays b/c the results are too inconsistent. I wanted to test that theory so I went full speed ahead today. It appears that Monday is a rather slow day on all tracks. There were only two tracks on the SBR Racebook today that matched up with Twin Spires which is what I use to watch the races live to base my bets. Those two tracks were Delaware Park & Parx Racing. Sticking true to my tweak that I made yesterday I'm going to stop after 3 wins or 5 consecutive losses.

    I had a bit of a hiccup on the SBR Racebook today while trying to make my bets too close to the wire and the Racebook logged me out once and I missed it, and another time it said the race was closed. So I got too close to the Post for that one. That's what caused the gap in races between the 4th and 5th races below. Luckily that big bet on the 5th race paid off!

    Here are the results:

    Ticket #: 2878097 RAC Jun-15 PHA R1 1.50 SBR WIN 1,5 3.00 / 0.00 -3 LOSE 6/15/15 12:56
    Ticket #: 2878110 RAC Jun-15 DEL R1 3.00 SBR WIN 3,6 6.00 / 0.00 5.1 WIN 6/15/15 13:16
    Ticket #: 2878119 RAC Jun-15 PHA R2 1.50 SBR WIN 4,5 3.00 / 0.00 -3 LOSE 6/15/15 13:23
    Ticket #: 2878166 RAC Jun-15 PHA R3 6.00 SBR WIN 5,6 12.00 / 0.00 -12 LOSE 6/15/15 13:50
    Ticket #: 2878183 RAC Jun-15 PHA R4 24.00 SBR WIN 6,8 48.00 / 0.00 12 WIN 6/15/15 14:19
    Ticket #: 2878190 RAC Jun-15 DEL R4 3.00 SBR WIN 4,7 6.00 / 0.00 5.4 WIN 6/15/15 14:45

    Total Bet: 78
    Total Won: 82.5
    Profit: 4.5

    Looking forward to tomorrow with a lot more races on the docket.

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    Day 3 // June 15, 2014

    Today went quick and the betting only lasted 30 mins. For some reason the SBR Racebook was down and having all sorts of errors, so I couldn't place any bets. I kept up with everything via my Excel sheet to keep myself honest. Keeping with the theme of quitting after winning 3 or losing 5 in a row it only took 4 races to hit 3 wins.

    Date Track Race Picks Wager Winner $ Won
    6/16/15 Parx Race 1 8,6 $3 8 7.5
    6/16/15 Delaware Park Race 1 1,5 $3 5 12
    6/16/15 Parx Race 2 6,7 $3 3 0
    6/16/15 Finger Lakes Race 2 1,6 $6 1 5.4

    The last race actually ended up costing money. After I placed my bet even more money poured into the 1 horse and dropped the odds to 4/5. Luckily, the 2nd race paid off at 7-1 and kept us afloat for the day. So that's always a good thing to keep an eye for moving forward are the lines dropping a lot. Might have to make a tweak to the double rule if that happens, or might make a tweak that doesn't allow the bets on a 1-1 or less horse. However, it was 2-1 when I made the bet with about 30 secs to post according to Twin Spires. Anywho, onto the results!

    Totals for the day:

    Races Bet: 3-1
    Total Bet: $15
    Total Won: $24.9
    Total Profit: $9.9

    Totals for the System

    Races Bet:

    Races Bet: 10-12
    Total Bet: $246
    Total Won: $214.65
    Total Profit: $-31.35

    Still digging out of the hole that my mistake on Day 1 left me with. If I would have stopped when I was supposed to I would be looking at a $61 profit total for the system instead of a -31 profit. It happens, live and learn and onto the next day!

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    how are you finding the specific plays? how do you come up with the horses you are betting or 2 horses? in a nutshell what is the system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trytrytry View Post
    how are you finding the specific plays? how do you come up with the horses you are betting or 2 horses? in a nutshell what is the system?
    I can you give you the details in a PM, but I don't want to blast it out on a public forum since it is copyrighted content.

    This post World Horse Racing Formula does give some insight into it, but not all the details

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    PM me too please.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by escism View Post
    I can you give you the details in a PM, but I don't want to blast it out on a public forum since it is copyrighted content.

    This post World Horse Racing Formula does give some insight into it, but not all the details
    ok pm me. that link does not help much..

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    Day 4 // June 17, 2015

    Another solid day of racing. I got started a bit later than I wanted to. I missed the first two races 1 at Delaware and 1 at Belmont. Not a big deal though. Also, the second race listed here should have only been a 1.5 / horse bet, but b/c the live feed from the first race went dead I didn't know which horses won. Therefore I doubled up my bet on the 2nd race and fortunately won both. As you can see I then went on a 3 race losing streak and hit my final and 3rd win for the day with a 12 bet on each horse in the 4th at Belmont. Overall ended up 11.5 for the day.

    Ticket #: 2879306 RAC Jun-17 DEL R2 1.50 SBR WIN 3,5 3.00 / 0.00 3.75 WIN 6/17/15 13:45
    Ticket #: 2879309 RAC Jun-17 BEL R2 3.00 SBR WIN 1,2 6.00 / 0.00 4.2 WIN 6/17/15 13:49
    Ticket #: 2879320 RAC Jun-17 DEL R3 1.50 SBR WIN 4,8 3.00 / 0.00 -3 LOSE 6/17/15 14:17
    Ticket #: 2879327 RAC Jun-17 BEL R3 3.00 SBR WIN 7,8 6.00 / 0.00 -6 LOSE 6/17/15 14:20
    Ticket #: 2879344 RAC Jun-17 DEL R4 6.00 SBR WIN 4,6 12.00 / 0.00 -12 LOSE 6/17/15 14:47
    Ticket #: 2879349 RAC Jun-17 BEL R4 12.00 SBR WIN 4,10 24.00 / 0.00 24.6 WIN 6/17/15 14:52

    Totals for the day:


    Races Bet: 3-3
    Total Bet: $54
    Total Won: $65.5
    Total Profit: $11.5 (21.2% ROI)



    Totals for the System

    Races Bet:

    Races Bet: 13-15
    Total Bet: $300
    Total Won: $280.15
    Total Profit: $-19.85 (still digging out from the initial hole from my mistakes)

    A few of you have requested the system via PM. I'm waiting until I get 10 days of data into the system before I send it out. So just be patient.

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    Day 5 // June 18, 2015

    Well today was the day it happened. Finally a losing day. I figured it would come sooner than later. So just glad to get it out of the way. According to the system you're not supposed to bet on Mondays & Thursdays b/c they seem to be too volatile for the system. Thursday proved to be right. However, I'm not 100% sold on that. I did miss 2 races in the span of a hour b/c of an internet outage. So I wasn't able to see any races, or place any bets. So that pisses me off a bit, but as soon as it came back online I picked up where I left off.

    The first race was at around 12, then I didn't get to place the next one until 12:51. Unfortunately, I lost five in a row, and therefore it was the stop/loss point. For a total of -93 for the day. I'm going to carry on tomorrow and see what happens. Hopefully a profitable day to help dig out of the hole. I'm not set to call a new tweak to the system yet of not playing on Thursdays. I think it needs a few more days of testing before that point is determined. Here are the bets that were placed and updated totals.

    6/18/15 Gulfstream Race 1 1,4 $3 Lose 0
    6/18/15 Belmont Race 2 1,2 $6 Lose 0
    6/18/15 Gulfstream Race 3 1,9 $12 Lose 0
    6/18/15 Belmont Race 3 4,6 $24 Lose 0
    6/18/15 Gulfstream Race 4 3,6 $48 Lose 0


    Totals for the day:

    Races Bet: 0-5
    Total Bet: $93
    Total Won: -$93
    Total Profit: -$93



    Totals for the System

    Races Bet:

    Races Bet: 13-20
    Total Bet: $393
    Total Won: $280.15
    Total Profit: $-112.85 (still digging out from the initial hole from my mistakes)

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    Day 6 // June 19, 2015

    A nice quick & profitable day today. Went 3-1 with the races right out of the gate hitting a nice pay off on the 3rd race with a horse coming in at 6-1 or 7-1 I believe. So out of 6 days, I've had 5 winning ones. The problem is the big losing day. I'm trying to figure out a way to keep from using the Martingale system ( I believe that's what it's called)

    Does anyone know if there is something like a reverse Martingale, where you incrementally lower your bet each time you lose? I feel like if this system consistently produces winners then a reverse Martingale (if there is such a thing) could be interesting. I'm thinking that you have a standard bet. Let's say $5 you bet that each time race until you lose. Then you knock off a dollar each loss (or 20%) based on your standard bet size. Once you win then you go back to your original bet size. Has anyone ever tried that? It's something I might toy around with, or better yet I might just stay off the bets on Monday & Thurs like the system originally says too
    ... That would help keep this in the black thus far. Just a thought, I would love to get some feedback on it.

    Either way it's nice to have a good bounce back day after yesterday. So I only bet 4 races today went 3-1 with the tracks Gulfstream & Churchill b/c they are two of the few available on the SBR Racebook. I took an hour in between races b/c I was in meetings at work.

    Ticket #: 2880399 RAC Jun-19 GUL R1 1.50 SBR WIN 6,7 3.00 / 0.00 1.35 WIN 6/19/15 13:03
    Ticket #: 2880407 RAC Jun-19 CHU R2 1.50 SBR WIN 2,3 3.00 / 0.00 -3 LOSE 6/19/15 13:14
    Ticket #: 2880423 RAC Jun-19 CHU R4 3.00 SBR WIN 4,7 6.00 / 0.00 19.2 WIN 6/19/15 14:14
    Ticket #: 2880433 RAC Jun-19 GUL R4 1.50 SBR WIN 2,3 3.00 / 0.00 3.75 WIN 6/19/15 14:40

    Totals for the day:

    Races Bet: 3-1
    Total Bet: $15
    Total Won: $21.30
    Total Profit: $6.30 (42% ROI)



    Totals for the System

    Races Bet:

    Races Bet: 16-21
    Total Bet: $408
    Total Won: $301.45
    Total Profit: $-106.55

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    Interesting experiment you got going here. Don't know too much about this system but it sounds like you pick two winners each race? Not trying to be critical (if that's the way the system works) but I've always tried to avoid picking two winners because at least one of them is already dead.... But a "hedgy" system might work that way if it is meant for long term success..

    Just a suggestion but one thing you might try is when you make your two picks is use them in a theoretical 2-horse exacta box on your score sheet. For example, in the Churchill Race #4 above, a $3 exacta box ($6 total) with horses 4 & 7 would have paid around $90. Won't be as many winners, of course, with the exacta betting but it would be interesting to see how it does in the long run.... Just a suggestion - keep up the good work.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arky View Post
    Interesting experiment you got going here. Don't know too much about this system but it sounds like you pick two winners each race? Not trying to be critical (if that's the way the system works) but I've always tried to avoid picking two winners because at least one of them is already dead.... But a "hedgy" system might work that way if it is meant for long term success..

    Just a suggestion but one thing you might try is when you make your two picks is use them in a theoretical 2-horse exacta box on your score sheet. For example, in the Churchill Race #4 above, a $3 exacta box ($6 total) with horses 4 & 7 would have paid around $90. Won't be as many winners, of course, with the exacta betting but it would be interesting to see how it does in the long run.... Just a suggestion - keep up the good work.....
    I love that idea! The system is pretty easy to get the hang of and I definitely get what you're saying about one being dead in the water if you're picking both to win. So you're obviously going to have 1 if not 2 losers each race. I guess the math of the system is hoping that you're going to get at least 3-1 odds to pay off for losing one of the races. Not quite sure. I haven't run any long term math projections for it. I like the system so far minus the one big losing day. It seems to produce nice ROIs other days. I'm just trying to figure a way to minimize those loses with the staking system that it comes with. I may start throwing some exactas at it today and see how that works. Yesterday, I tested my 'reverse martingale' system and it wasn't as fruitful. I'm hoping for a nice winning day today. Maybe if I throw in some exactas I can hit a few and get my betpoints back heading in the right direction.

    Thanks for the suggestion. I can't help but notice the user name Arky, you would by chance be from Arkansas? I'm from NW Arkansas myself and living in Nashville, TN now.

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    Day 7 // June 20, 2015

    Another quick profitable day for the system. Only took 6 races to get to 3 wins. I wasn't able to bet them on the SBR Racebook though b/c it was down when the first Churchill race started. So instead I just kept track on Twinspires of the races back to back and put my entries into Excel.

    Started out losing the first two, the bounced back and won the 3rd & 4th. Lost, then won the final and 3rd race of the day. I put a note in to stop here, but I kept going until 1pm CST just to keep track. I had a continued run of 4-3 after that. So I'm still happy with the system even with a bit more testing to go. It was a nice easy 30-45 mins of racing for a quick profit and great ROI. Here are the picks and updated system totals below:

    Date Track Race Picks Wager Winner $ Won Notes
    6/20/15 Churchhill Race 1 4,2 $3 Lose $0.00 5 Horse Field
    6/20/15 Monmouth Race 1 3,4 $6 Lose $0.00
    6/20/15 Parx Race 1 8,6 $12 Won $24.00
    6/20/15 Woodbine Race 1 6,7 $3 Won $4.50
    6/20/15 Finger Lakes Race 1 5,1 $3 Lose $0 5 Horse Field
    6/20/15 Churchill Race 2 2,7 $6 Won $12 Stop Here


    Totals for the day:

    Races Bet: 3-3
    Total Bet: $33
    Total Won: $40.50
    Total Profit: $7.50 (22% ROI)



    Totals for the System

    Races Bet: 19-24
    Total Bet: $441
    Total Won: $341.95
    Total Profit: $-99.05

    That one big losing day is still bothering me. I wish I wouldn't have played on Thursday like the system said. That would have made it much more profitable thus far. However, the testing is still doing great. It's a slow steady burn that's for sure. Not going to get those big wins to build a bankroll, but this should be a more sustainable growth. I guess we have to think of it as investing and seeing a 22% return for a day is great, especially if it's consistent. Much better than the stock market that's for sure.

    Now tomorrow, will be changing it up a bit with how the bets are picked. We're also stopping after 4 wins and we're only picking 1 horse. I'm hoping I'm going to be able to test the system tomorrow, but I'll be out at the inlaws and away from wifi. I'll be having to hotspot with my phone and using the TwinSpires app to keep up with everything. So hopefully that doesn't skew the data too much. We'll see. Lots of racing today, BOL if you're out there placing bets!

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    Quote Originally Posted by escism View Post
    I can't help but notice the user name Arky, you would by chance be from Arkansas? I'm from NW Arkansas myself and living in Nashville, TN now.
    Yep, but was just born there. My parents are from there and most all the relatives are, too, though our branch of the family has been in the Houston area for the last 50 years. I think I might be more Texan, now than some of the natives.... ;-)

    Back in March and April, I was "going to the races" on a daily basis in the SBR Racebook. I'd pick a track (mostly Oaklawn, Gulfstream and Turf Paradise - some Churchill) and play the entire card for that day. Lost a lot of bet points but had some good days, too. I'd like to think I learned a few things over this period...... I searched my records and don't seem to see anything one-sided about Mondays and Thursdays.... the win percentage seemed to be about the same as all the other days. But that was only about a 40-race sample size... Might want to steer clear of those days anyway if that's what the system says to do.... GL to ya...

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    Day 8 // June 21, 2015

    Another exciting day on the tracks. Happy late Father's day to all the dads out there. I wasn't able to place any of these bets on the SBR book b/c I was out at the in-laws for Father's day. So I just kept tabs using the Twin Spires app on my phone and a pen and paper.

    According to the system on Sundays we only pick 1 horse and we stop after 4 wins instead of 3 unlike the other days. If you remember from the earlier posts. If I would have done initially on that first Sunday this system would probably be up so far. I did it today and it turned out to be a better day. Went 4-6 on the day for a $6 profit and ~7% ROI. Not a huge day by any means, but still good to come out ahead. Here are the race results:


    Date Track Race Picks Wager Winner $ Won
    6/21/15 Churchill Downs Race 1 7 $3 7 $3.60
    6/21/15 Monmouth Race 1 4 $3 $-
    6/21/15 Parx Race 1 6 $6 6 $9.60
    6/21/15 Gulfstream Race 1 2 $3 $-
    6/21/15 Churchill Downs Race 2 1 $6 $-
    6/21/15 Monmouth Race 2 5 $12 $-
    6/21/15 Gulfstream Race 2 3 $24 3 $52.80
    6/21/15 Monmouth Race 3 4 $3 $-
    6/21/15 Belmont Park Race 1 4 $6 $-
    6/21/15 Gulfstream Race 3 6 $12 6 $18.00

    Totals for the day:

    Races Bet: 4-6
    Total Bet: $78
    Total Won: $84
    Total Profit: $6 (7.69% ROI)



    Totals for the System

    Races Bet: 23-30
    Total Bet: $519
    Total Won: $425.95
    Total Profit: $-93.05




    Overall not a stellar day, but it was on the black and that's what counts. This system "feels" like it is a more long term grind / investing system rather than the quick hit of big bets. So I just have to keep that in mind when working through it. According to the system you're supposed to skip over Mondays & Thursdays. So I'm going to take today off and reload for tomorrow. Thanks for following & keeping up!
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    this is not investing! this is anti investing. just so everyone knows..

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    Quote Originally Posted by trytrytry View Post
    this is not investing! this is anti investing. just so everyone knows..
    Edited w/ "feels" so no one is overly critical of the verbiage used on a forum post...

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    How do you decide which horse(s) to bet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiggityDaggityDo View Post
    How do you decide which horse(s) to bet?
    After 10 days of data I'll send out the PM's on the system

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    OK Thanks.

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    Day 9 // June 23, 2015

    After laying off yesterday I was ready to get back into the swing of things today and see what all was in store. Today didn't start off too hot with 3 losses right out of the gate. So accordingly to the Martingale system that I'm using I was up to 4x bet on the 4th race which I won. Unfortunately the payout was low due to the horse being a 7/5 odds. Overall, it ended up being a losing day at -$8.55. I'm still believing in the trend and it is picking a decent amount of winners. I just have to figure out the staking plan to make it more profitable when you hit those losing streaks.


    Ticket #: 2882500 RAC Jun-23 PHA R1 1.50 SBR WIN 4,5 3.00 / 0.00 -3 LOSE 6/23/15 12:55
    Ticket #: 2882533 RAC Jun-23 DEL R2 3.00 SBR WIN 4,6 6.00 / 0.00 -6 LOSE 6/23/15 13:46
    Ticket #: 2882536 RAC Jun-23 PHA R3 6.00 SBR WIN 1,8 12.00 / 0.00 -12 LOSE 6/23/15 13:53
    Ticket #: 2882540 RAC Jun-23 DEL R3 12.00 SBR WIN 1,4 24.00 / 0.00 4.8 WIN 6/23/15 14:15
    Ticket #: 2882549 RAC Jun-23 PHA R4 1.50 SBR WIN 1,7 3.00 / 0.00 -3 LOSE 6/23/15 14:29
    Ticket #: 2882555 RAC Jun-23 DEL R4 3.00 SBR WIN 1,7 6.00 / 0.00 7.5 WIN 6/23/15 14:44
    Ticket #: 2882571 RAC Jun-23 PHA R5 1.50 SBR WIN 1,7 3.00 / 0.00 3.15 WIN 6/23/15 14:59


    Totals for the day:

    Races Bet: 3-4
    Total Bet: $57
    Total Won: $48.45
    Total Profit: -$8.55 (-15% ROI)



    Totals for the System

    Races Bet: 26-34
    Total Bet: $576
    Total Won: $474.4
    Total Profit: $-101.6

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    balls2wall
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    There is a program I have called The Staking Machine. It will test results with about 40 different staking methods and give you detailed stats. It's a good program, but I don't use it too much.

    It's been years since I bought it, but I think it only cost around $25

    They have a free demo where you can do 10 entries at a time to see what it does

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    Quote Originally Posted by balls2wall View Post
    There is a program I have called The Staking Machine. It will test results with about 40 different staking methods and give you detailed stats. It's a good program, but I don't use it too much.

    It's been years since I bought it, but I think it only cost around $25

    They have a free demo where you can do 10 entries at a time to see what it does
    That's awesome! Just looked at the software. I'll have to keep it in mind once this initial test is done and I'll use it to test out the next staking method. I like the idea of the Fibonacci plan, but haven't put it into place yet. Very interesting. Thanks for the heads up man!

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    Whats behind the strategy of stopping after 3 wins?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiggityDaggityDo View Post
    Whats behind the strategy of stopping after 3 wins?
    That's what the system says to do. I'm not quite sure.

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    I wanted to find out more info on escism's system. He hasn't been on here in 4 days!

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    Day 10 // June 24, 2014

    Apparently, I've been missed around here. Well day 10 of the system was last Wednesday. The results are below. I laid off on Thursday like the system say to. Friday I had the day off and headed up to Louisville and spent most of Saturday at Churchill. So that should catch everyone up on where I've been.

    So, Day 10, was a losing day. I actually should have lost a bit more, but the 3rd losing bet I forgot to double my previous bet, so I saved myself another $6 in losses. Here are the race results below and updated system stats.


    Ticket #: 2883198 RAC Jun-24 GUL R1 1.50 SBR WIN 2,6 3.00 / 0.00 -3 LOSE 6/24/15 12:59
    Ticket #: 2883203 RAC Jun-24 DEL R1 3.00 SBR WIN 2,5 6.00 / 0.00 8.7 WIN 6/24/15 13:14
    Ticket #: 2883206 RAC Jun-24 BEL R1 1.50 SBR WIN 1,2 3.00 / 0.00 -3 LOSE 6/24/15 13:20
    Ticket #: 2883211 RAC Jun-24 GUL R2 3.00 SBR WIN 1,6 6.00 / 0.00 -6 LOSE 6/24/15 13:36
    Ticket #: 2883214 RAC Jun-24 BEL R2 3.00 SBR WIN 1,5 6.00 / 0.00 -6 LOSE 6/24/15 13:51
    Ticket #: 2883219 RAC Jun-24 GUL R3 12.00 SBR WIN 1,3 24.00 / 0.00 -24 LOSE 6/24/15 14:03
    Ticket #: 2883226 RAC Jun-24 DEL R3 24.00 SBR WIN 3,6 48.00 / 0.00 -48 LOSE 6/24/15 14:15

    Totals for the day:


    Races Bet: 1-6
    Total Bet: $96
    Total Won: $8.70
    Total Profit: -$81.30 (-84% ROI)



    Totals for the System

    Races Bet: 27-40 (40% WP)
    Total Bet: $672
    Total Won: $483.10
    Total Profit: -$182.9 (-49% ROI)

    So overall not a winning system from what I can tell. It did produce 40% winners, however, I think the Martingale system is ultimately the downfall of this system. I do like the theory of picking the horses to win, but unfortunately it doesn't pay off that well. I'm going to continue testing the system and possibly testing some exacta theories or trying to Tribox or pick key horses using this system and change it up a bit. However, I think the system as it currently is, it not a winning system.

    If you're still interested in learning about it, send me a PM and I'll tell you about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by escism View Post
    That's awesome! Just looked at the software. I'll have to keep it in mind once this initial test is done and I'll use it to test out the next staking method. I like the idea of the Fibonacci plan, but haven't put it into place yet. Very interesting. Thanks for the heads up man!

    No problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by escism View Post
    Apparently, I've been missed around here. Well day 10 of the system was last Wednesday. The results are below. I laid off on Thursday like the system say to. Friday I had the day off and headed up to Louisville and spent most of Saturday at Churchill. So that should catch everyone up on where I've been.

    So, Day 10, was a losing day. I actually should have lost a bit more, but the 3rd losing bet I forgot to double my previous bet, so I saved myself another $6 in losses. Here are the race results below and updated system stats.


    Ticket #: 2883198 RAC Jun-24 GUL R1 1.50 SBR WIN 2,6 3.00 / 0.00 -3 LOSE 6/24/15 12:59
    Ticket #: 2883203 RAC Jun-24 DEL R1 3.00 SBR WIN 2,5 6.00 / 0.00 8.7 WIN 6/24/15 13:14
    Ticket #: 2883206 RAC Jun-24 BEL R1 1.50 SBR WIN 1,2 3.00 / 0.00 -3 LOSE 6/24/15 13:20
    Ticket #: 2883211 RAC Jun-24 GUL R2 3.00 SBR WIN 1,6 6.00 / 0.00 -6 LOSE 6/24/15 13:36
    Ticket #: 2883214 RAC Jun-24 BEL R2 3.00 SBR WIN 1,5 6.00 / 0.00 -6 LOSE 6/24/15 13:51
    Ticket #: 2883219 RAC Jun-24 GUL R3 12.00 SBR WIN 1,3 24.00 / 0.00 -24 LOSE 6/24/15 14:03
    Ticket #: 2883226 RAC Jun-24 DEL R3 24.00 SBR WIN 3,6 48.00 / 0.00 -48 LOSE 6/24/15 14:15

    Totals for the day:


    Races Bet: 1-6
    Total Bet: $96
    Total Won: $8.70
    Total Profit: -$81.30 (-84% ROI)



    Totals for the System

    Races Bet: 27-40 (40% WP)
    Total Bet: $672
    Total Won: $483.10
    Total Profit: -$182.9 (-49% ROI)

    So overall not a winning system from what I can tell. It did produce 40% winners, however, I think the Martingale system is ultimately the downfall of this system. I do like the theory of picking the horses to win, but unfortunately it doesn't pay off that well. I'm going to continue testing the system and possibly testing some exacta theories or trying to Tribox or pick key horses using this system and change it up a bit. However, I think the system as it currently is, it not a winning system.

    If you're still interested in learning about it, send me a PM and I'll tell you about it.
    Thank you for your effort.

  33. #33
    DiggityDaggityDo
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    Thanks for the info, escism.

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