[Hareeba!]

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news...-london-casino

[Optional]

Personally I do think Ivey cheated but the Ned Kelly fan in me thinks he deserved to get away with it if he was the one that actually nutted out that there was an advantage before any casino had any idea of got wind of it.

Casino must have been ultra confident there was no advantage to allow a guy who was winning so much to keep having the dealer place the cards in a special way for him. So I think they should be forced to take partial responsibility based on that part as he couldn't have done it without their complicity in doing that.

[SharpAngles]

Edge sorting was around long before Ivey showed up. It's really the fault of the house for using faulty decks AND allowing his requests. He asked for the cards to be placed sideways, all they had to do was say no.

[JAKEPEAVY21]

Edge sorting was around long before Ivey showed up. It's really the fault of the house for using faulty decks AND allowing his requests. He asked for the cards to be placed sideways, all they had to do was say no.

the casino agreed to his requests. Do you think they would have refunded his money if he lost? Fukk them

[Igor_1965]

Ivey should emigrate to China and say f.u. to Borgata.

[luctens]

On Phil Ivey's New Jersey case, it was a similarly bizarre ruling which said he didn't cheat but that he may have to pay back the winnings:

http://www.compatiblepoker.com/poker...-charges/10460

"Judge Hillman wrote in his report: “The odds will be set up to benefit the ‘house,’ and the state will tax the revenue.”

“In short, and by design, over time every gambler who plays against the house will eventually bet—and lose—more than they win,” he added. “Of course, some games allow for more skill than others and there is always lady luck. But the principle that the odds are against you is literally true and eventually wins out. This is something every gambler knows.”

Basically it seems that the judge is saying that as everybody knows casinos and the games that are in them are purely set up to drain the player of all his money and for the government to take their cut and they are not designed for anybody to win, that anybody showing too much skill or knowledge like Ivey isn't allowed to win as nobody is supposed to win off casinos. What a load of rubbish.

The casinos both in the UK and USA have been caught with their pants down here and especially as it's a high profile person like Ivey involved, they are trying to use Ivey as a scapegoat to try and put as many other people off from going into casinos in the future with any type of advantage play.

The clear thing here is that Ivey and his accomplice never touched the cards, and it was the casino that adhered to every single one of his requests, and if they didn't want to adhere to his requests, they could simply tell him to clear off, but they didn't, they did everything that he asked them to, so the fact Ivey or his accomplice never once touched the cards should show this case cut and dried in Ivey's favour in the first place.

Also, edge sorting has been known about way before Ivey got involved with it, and I'm sure a lot of casinos in the past will have noticed after the event that they had been done by some advantage play like edge sorting, but they wouldn't have withheld the winnings, they would simply have paid the winnings, told the player he's banned from the casino and improved their procedures going forward so the casino aren't done by advantage play in this way in the future.

The very simple thing is that whilst casinos probably look upon anybody winning off them as cheaters, this is a well known form of advantage play, not cheating, so as Ivey wasn't cheating and has found not to be cheating by two of the highest courts in the land in the UK and USA, he should absolutely get the money.

This should really have been avoided very easily in the first place. Whoever authorised Ivey to come and play at these two casinos in the first place most probably got the sack. Ivey contacted both casinos in advance and asked to play there and wired £1m and $2.5m to them in advance. When one of the most renowned gamblers in the world, Phil Ivey, comes knocking at your door saying he wants to play at your place and wire you £1m and $2.5m in advance to come and play at your casinos, anybody with any common sense would immediately smell a rat.

You know he's not coming there planning to lose that money and with the reputation that he has, you know he's infinitely smarter than the average guy and that he's probably got some sort of advantage play rolled up his sleeve rather than just gambling his money away on blind luck, so any casino manager with any common sense would have told him to clear off and never let anybody of Ivey's calibre into their casino. So this really should have been nipped in the bud before it even started by these idiots at these casinos not even letting Phil Ivey into their casinos in the first place.

[SharpAngles]

“In short, and by design, over time every gambler who plays against the house will eventually bet—and lose—more than they win,” he added. “Of course, some games allow for more skill than others and there is always lady luck. But the principle that the odds are against you is literally true and eventually wins out. This is something every gambler knows.”




This motherfuker has obviously never met Phillip Dennis Ivey Jr!

Can't be surprised at these judgments when most judges and politicians are in the casinos pockets in both countries.

[evo34]

"Ivey and Sun never touched the cards in use, but edge sorting involves asking the dealer to arrange the cards a certain way to make the manufacturing defects on the backs more visible, all so they could get an idea of the value of the card."

Fuk these guys. You reap what you sow.

[xdodger19]

so the judge must have been payed off or something,
SO the judge says the casino does not have to pay you if you outsmart them
Well then shut down all casinos in that case
Its a scam because they would have taken his money if he lost
And the term advantage play means nothing
its simply called gambling
If you double down on 11 when dealer is showing 5 this is to your advantage
Ivey was the one who kept using the phrase advantage play
Its the casino's job to use cards that cant be detected, they basically agreed
to the conditions, the casino owners are complete thieves and should be shut down

[JAKEPEAVY21]

the casino basically freerolled him

[Hu$tle]

Casino always right player at mercy