[psufan]

Any thoughts/experiences on it? I'm not sure if I'm sold on the provably fair schematic. Sure, it may be random, but really no way to prove that they only have a 1% house advantage. Live dealer sounds like the way to go.

[themike78]

Nobody is going to believe me but it is the best online blackjack there is. I play there almost everyday and almost always make a profit. You just need to know when to stop playing when you are ahead. I'm not lying but the other day I got blackjack 4 hands in a row. Lol. But I am sure people are going to chime in and say it's rigged. I don't see it. If anything it's rigged to my advantage. The only thing I don't like is there is no multi hand. I do best on the 8 deck for some reason.

[captrobey]

Nobody is going to believe me but it is the best online blackjack there is. I play there almost everyday and almost always make a profit. You just need to know when to stop playing when you are ahead. I'm not lying but the other day I got blackjack 4 hands in a row. Lol. But I am sure people are going to chime in and say it's rigged. I don't see it. If anything it's rigged to my advantage. The only thing I don't like is there is no multi hand. I do best on the 8 deck for some reason.

I have not played here so i cannot say if it is or not.I have not seen too much on them at all about their Casino. Maybe that is a good thing.

[ParlayKing1986]

Youwager on the other hand has the worst blackjack hands down.

[captrobey]

Youwager on the other hand has the worst blackjack hands down.

I actually have disabled the 100% virtual one . But- i still have the live there which i also think is rigged . I have seen some insane stuff in there.

[themike78]

You wager mobile blackjack is impossible to win at I agree with you there but the regular website one isn't too bad. You should check out nitrogen though. I swear it is legit. I have no reason to lie to strangers on a gambling forum. But see the way I play is if I go on a big run I just quit and walk away. Or if the cards are running bad I will quit before I lose everything. A lot of people get greedy. You just need discipline and you can make money.

[captrobey]

You wager mobile blackjack is impossible to win at I agree with you there but the regular website one isn't too bad. You should check out nitrogen though. I swear it is legit. I have no reason to lie to strangers on a gambling forum. But see the way I play is if I go on a big run I just quit and walk away. Or if the cards are running bad I will quit before I lose everything. A lot of people get greedy. You just need discipline and you can make money.

It was really bad when i did it i had to shut it down. This was years ago . Cracks me up when they also send the "Amazing Bonus " Offer. Always the same thing which to me is below average. 30% with 30 day hold or 20% with no hold. An a $25 FP . Nothing that great get better at other books.Although i do get tempted when they throw in a Wheel Spin. Last time i got $250.

[raiders72001]

Any thoughts/experiences on it? I'm not sure if I'm sold on the provably fair schematic. Sure, it may be random, but really no way to prove that they only have a 1% house advantage. Live dealer sounds like the way to go.

If there's one book that I trust as far as blackjack and dice, it's Nitrogen. I'm a believer in provably fair.

[JAKEPEAVY21]

It was really bad when i did it i had to shut it down. This was years ago . Cracks me up when they also send the "Amazing Bonus " Offer. Always the same thing which to me is below average. 30% with 30 day hold or 20% with no hold. An a $25 FP . Nothing that great get better at other books.Although i do get tempted when they throw in a Wheel Spin. Last time i got $250.

they email me almost weekly with the "amazing bonus"

if I don't like it, I tell them that offer isn't that great I'll wait for something better next week

I also like when the wheel spin is added...I seem to always get 75 on the spin

[captrobey]

they email me almost weekly with the "amazing bonus"

if I don't like it, I tell them that offer isn't that great I'll wait for something better next week

I also like when the wheel spin is added...I seem to always get 75 on the spin

I get the bonus offer pretty often too. Once in awhile i will deposit if i get the Wheel Spin along with the bonus. I have gotten the $250 once but it was the last time i did the spin. I have gotten what you got i do not thin i have ever got the $25 though . Sometimes they do points sometimes $50 for a $50 deposit which is Ok but i normally do not deposit that low. Normally i do $150-$400 or so. I also passed this time maybe if they removed the 30 day hold i would have deposited or added a spin.

[themike78]

Points are better. No rollover. But the 30 day hold is just for the bonus amount. You can withraw winnings anything above the bonus amount anytime which is ok. I have been with Youwager since 2002. They are still probably the fastest paying book out there. I got a money transfer other day about 2 hours after I requested it.

[captrobey]

Points are better. No rollover. But the 30 day hold is just for the bonus amount. You can withraw winnings anything above the bonus amount anytime which is ok. I have been with Youwager since 2002. They are still probably the fastest paying book out there. I got a money transfer other day about 2 hours after I requested it.

He told me it was like that on the 20% but the 30% you had to wait 30 days. But yes i do know they pay. Just wish they had better bonuses.

[themike78]

I'm just going by what their rules state. I always refuse the bonus because I've read too many threads about how they change the rules. I like to get my money quick and don't want to deal with all the bonus drama.

[captrobey]

I'm just going by what their rules state. I always refuse the bonus because I've read too many threads about how they change the rules. I like to get my money quick and don't want to deal with all the bonus drama.

Maybe that is what they are doing to me. I just do not like the 30 day rule . If i get hot and win a bunch in a week i do not want to have to wait 3 more weeks to cash out .

[lilpete]

blackjack sux i always lose

[captrobey]

blackjack sux i always lose

There are times i can win a little bit if i am betting lower. But at one point the dealer is going to go off and get a run of insane hands that you will never ever get. A little over a year ago i did Ok at GTbets but the past year have been bad. Although i am still able to win small amounts if i would get out before the insane runs would start. But lately it got so bad i could not even do that . You have no chance if you get a 12-17 every damn hand and dealer gets 20/21 80% of times. So i recently went on Live Chat and complained and told them to block it.

[Zenyatta 19-1]

heritage has tightened up their blackjack...its real bad now. Will never play at heritage again. Cussed them out in chat so bad im hoping they banned me lol. they suck now

[jsir99]

I would win but had to disable because i would end up losing my winnings lol smh. I like that feature in nitrogen. I highly recommend 5dimes live vegas casino for blackjack. Real dealers and they shuffle the deck for you atleast.

[ThaWoj]

I permanently disabled mine with no chance to get it reinstated (love that option).

I would win a lot too, but it seemed like EVERY time I ran good in sports they would rape me on bj... I lost like 2.4 btc one night after hitting a very nice parlay and said enough was enough

[ThaWoj]

Btw I liked playing the 2 deck option. Did like the fact that u could resplit aces.
Dice is so streaky u but I seem to not degen on it so I didn't ban myself. It's fun sometimes playing with the number parameters as well, i.e. sometimes ill set it at 10 or 20 and try to hit a nice under (instead of the default 49.50 that pays 1:1)

[evo34]

"Or if the cards are running bad I will quit before I lose everything. A lot of people get greedy. You just need discipline and you can make money."

Great plan.

[Natty68]

Does Nitrogen BJ offer surrender?

[ThaWoj]

Does Nitrogen BJ offer surrender?

Yes

[captrobey]

[QUOTE=ThaWoj;25938884]Yes[/QUOTE

The problem with this is with online BJ i do not know about Nitrogen but all the ones i play at are rigged to show the face or 10 card 80% of the time. So , if dealer gets a 16 you will see a face card and the 6 you do not see . So it may make people surrender more because they think it is a 20 . This is why after you see it happen like this a few times you start holding on a 12-16 against a 10. It may work but eventually it starts pulling 20/21 non-stop once it sees what you are doing.

[Natty68]

I lost eleven straight hands last night on Bookmaker. It was like captrobey said.....when you start with 13-16 and the dealer is constantly starting with a nine or ten you stand zero chance. No exaggeration.......eleven straight hands. I counted. Probably the worse thing though, is when the dealer should technically be in a bad spot........starting with a 5 or 6, then magically draws to a 20 or 21.

[captrobey]

I lost eleven straight hands last night on Bookmaker. It was like captrobey said.....when you start with 13-16 and the dealer is constantly starting with a nine or ten you stand zero chance. No exaggeration.......eleven straight hands. I counted. Probably the worse thing though, is when the dealer should technically be in a bad spot........starting with a 5 or 6, then magically draws to a 20 or 21.

One thing i like to do is count the amount of 20/21s vs what i get .It is always in dealers favor.Normally at least 3-1 . And i actually have won some here and there . It was not from having better cards it was just getting lucky at the right times. There will be a time though where dealer will get an insane run. Every time. You can even play 3 hands VS 1 and dealer will get 20-21 every time. You will play 4 hands 3 VS 1 and get 12,13,12 against a 20 or BJ . Even if i add in all the extra hands i play dealer always STILL gets more 20/21s then me.Justbet is one of the worst too . Which is why i was shocked i had bonus money in there $45 . I actually completed the rollover and got $400 . I was not getting great hands but neither was dealer.I won like 8 hands in a row without getting a 20 or BJ . But then again it was the bonus casino not the regular one. The absolute WORST ones are the ones that blatantly rob you then will not even let you see your hands or send them to you (GT and DSI) .They know you will post the BS hands and show and warn others that is why they do that.

[raiders72001]

Article of provably fair and Nitrogen

Provably Fair Finally Brings Legitimacy to Online Casinos

Posted on August 10, 2015 by Angela Burrows
One of the pleasures of opening a new table in blackjack is seeing the cards get spread before the start of play. The dealer takes his deck of cards (assuming single deck action), spreads them out, and lets everyone take a peek while the dealer verifies the deck has all 52 cards. Honest and open play works for both sides, and spreading the deck shows the player that the casino isn’t in the business of cheating him. That’s one of the many benefits of live blackjack.
Online casinos historically have not had this ability to “show off their honesty”. A player must trust the casino to play fair. When the player wins, this isn’t a problem. But when he loses, that’s not the case. The blackjack player who went broke playing online will inevitably complain about an unfair game; the decks were cooked, he might say, or the decks were missing a few 10s and aces, giving the house an enormous advantage over the player.
Until recently, there was little an online casino could do to verify that its game were on the up and up. The deck shuffling is done by an algorithm, not a dealer handling the cards. The advent of bitcoin casinos, however, have also brought about a way that online casinos can prove they are dealing an honest game. This method, an algorithm that can be analyzed and verified for fairness, is called “Provably Fair”.

Provably Fair is a system that doesn’t allow either the casino or the player to cheat in the game. The method uses cryptographic hash functions that methodically transform data into strings. These strings are a series of unbreakable alphanumeric characters, meaning the data inside the strings can’t be cracked. The string is a fingerprint of a shuffled deck. Since the player can’t crack the string, the casino can safely let the player look at the string before the game begins. When the game is over, the player is given the ‘secret’ to the string, allowing him to very verify that the shuffled deck he was shown prior to the game is the same shuffled deck that was used in the game.

James Hampleton of Nitrogen Sports, rated as one of the top bitcoin sportsbooks in the world today, uses Provably Fair in its online casino and encourages its players to both understand and demand Provably Fair standards.
“Verifying that a hand is Provably Fair requires that players understand hashing and can run shuffling algorithms,”
Hampleton told CoinTelegraph.com. “In order for it to really take off as a standard, it requires support from the people who are not only capable of this, but are passionate about it.”
“This is the future of betting online,” added Hampleton. “Players should be demanding more transparency from their casinos, and Provably Fair technology not only allows this, but mandates it.”

[captrobey]

Here is more BS at sites . This one is at CRS

11:05:49	Player Hand 19 9♣ J♥ Stand 25.00 -25.00 Dealer Hand 20 6♣ T♠ 4♣ Hit, Stand	25.00	-25.00
11:05:33	Player Hand 13 5♥ 8♣ Stand 25.00 -25.00 Dealer Hand 21 8♥ 5♠ 8♦ Hit, Stand	25.00	-25.00
11:05:23	Player Hand 15 7♣ 8♠ Stand 25.00 -25.00 Dealer Hand 20 4♦ Q♦ 6♥ Hit, Stand	25.00	-25.00
11:05:10	Player Hand 16 8♥ 2♦ 6♥ Double 30.00 -30.00 Dealer Hand 20 8♣ 2♣ 6♣ 4♦ Hit, Hit, Stand	30.00	-30.00
11:05:00	Player Hand 15 5♦ K♦ Stand 15.00 15.00 Dealer Hand 26 K♣ 6♠ T♠ Hit, Bust	15.00	15.00
11:04:47	Player Hand 1 13 A♠ 2♠ 15.00 -15.00 Player Hand 2 15 A♣ 4♥ Split 15.00 -15.00 Dealer Hand 18 7♥ A♠ Stand	30.00	-30.00
11:04:43	Player Hand 15 9♣ 6♦ 15.00 -15.00 Dealer Hand 21 A♦ J♦ Blackjack	15.00	-15.00
11:04:33	Player Hand 15 K♣ 5♣ Stand 15.00 -15.00 Dealer Hand 19 6♥ K♦ 3♥ Hit, Stand	15.00	-15.00
11:04:25	Player Hand 19 9♠ Q♠ Stand 15.00 0.00 Dealer Hand 19 A♠ 8♣ Stand	15.00	0.00
11:04:11	Player Hand 14 4♣ 9♥ A♣ Hit, Stand 10.00 -10.00 Dealer Hand 20 J♦ T♦ Stand	10.00	-10.00

And at Justbet

08:45:20	Player Hand 17 7♠ J♦ Stand 15.00 -15.00 Dealer Hand 20 A♣ 2♥ 7♦ Hit, Stand	15.00	-15.00
08:45:09	Player Hand 16 2♣ 3♠ 6♣ 5♦ Hit, Hit, Stand 15.00 -15.00 Dealer Hand 20 J♥ T♦ Stand	15.00	-15.00
08:45:04	Player Hand 21 A♥ Q♦ Blackjack 15.00 22.50 Dealer Hand 15 6♠ 9♣ Stand	15.00	22.50
08:44:56	Player Hand 15 7♥ 8♦ Surrender 15.00 -7.50 Dealer Hand 20 A♣ 9♥ Stand	15.00	-7.50

08:46:54	Player Hand 15 3♠ 5♠ 7♠ Hit, Stand 15.00 -15.00 Dealer Hand 19 9♣ 2♣ 8♥ Hit, Stand	15.00	-15.00
08:46:43	Player Hand 8 4♥ 4♥ 15.00 -15.00 Dealer Hand 21 Q♦ A♥ Blackjack	15.00	-15.00
08:46:35	Player Hand 20 9♦ A♥ Stand 15.00 15.00 Dealer Hand 17 9♥ 8♥ Stand	15.00	15.00
08:46:31	Player Hand 7 4♦ 3♦ 15.00 -15.00 Dealer Hand 21 A♠ J♣ Blackjack	15.00	-15.00
08:46:18	Player Hand 20 6♠ 4♥ T♦ Double 30.00 30.00 Dealer Hand 19 A♠ 3♥ 2♠ 7♣ 6♣ Hit, Hit, Hit, Stand	30.00	30.00
08:46:10	Player Hand 13 7♦ 6♥ Surrender 15.00 -7.50 Dealer Hand 13 4♠ 9♥ Stand	15.00	-7.50
08:46:02	Player Hand 20 T♥ K♦ Stand 15.00 0.00 Dealer Hand 20 A♠ 2♦ A♥ 6♣ Hit, Hit, Stand	15.00	0.00
08:45:48	Player Hand 19 9♠ Q♦ Stand 15.00 -15.00 Dealer Hand 20 5♥ 3♦ 2♣ K♦ Hit, Hit, Stand	15.00	-15.00
08:45:40	Player Hand 24 4♣ 3♦ 7♥ J♥ Hit, Hit, Bust 15.00 -15.00 Dealer Hand 18 A♦ 7♦ Stand	15.00	-15.00
08:45:32	Player Hand 12 T♦ 2♣ Stand 15.00 15.00 Dealer Hand 24 7♠ 5♠ 2♥ K♦ Hit, Hit, Bust	15.00	15.00

08:53:33	Player Hand 18 8♣ T♠ Stand 5.00 5.00 Dealer Hand 25 8♥ 2♥ 5♠ Q♥ Hit, Hit, Bust	5.00	5.00
08:53:24	Player Hand 21 4♥ 7♣ K♣ Double 10.00 10.00 Dealer Hand 24 3♠ 5♠ 3♠ 3♣ J♠ Hit, Hit, Hit, Bust	10.00	10.00
08:53:14	Player Hand 19 Q♦ 9♦ Stand 15.00 15.00 Dealer Hand 18 8♦ T♣ Stand	15.00	15.00
08:53:03	Player Hand 20 Q♠ J♠ Stand 15.00 15.00 Dealer Hand 19 2♣ 4♣ 4♦ 9♣ Hit, Hit, Stand	15.00	15.00
08:48:09	Player Hand 23 4♣ 9♥ 3♥ 7♠ Hit, Hit, Bust 33.00 -33.00 Dealer Hand 10 2♦ 8♥ Stand	33.00	-33.00
08:48:02	Player Hand 14 6♠ 8♦ Stand 33.00 -33.00 Dealer Hand 17 9♥ 5♦ 3♠ Hit, Stand	33.00	-33.00
08:47:42	Player Hand 18 Q♥ 8♦ Stand 17.00 -17.00 Dealer Hand 21 5♠ 6♥ Q♥ Hit, Stand	17.00	-17.00
08:47:26	Player Hand 20 Q♠ 2♣ 8♥ Hit, Stand 17.00 0.00 Dealer Hand 20 J♥ Q♣ Stand	17.00	0.00
08:47:09	Player Hand 24 3♥ 2♠ 3♦ 8♦ 8♥ Hit, Hit, Hit, Bust 15.00 -15.00 Dealer Hand 13 6♠ 7♣ Stand	15.00	-15.00
08:47:02	Player Hand 14 4♥ K♥ Stand 15.00 -15.00 Dealer Hand 20 K♥ T♦ Stand	15.00	-15.00

08:54:54	Player Hand 19 2♠ A♦ Q♦ 6♥ Hit, Hit, Stand 5.00 5.00 Dealer Hand 17 4♥ T♣ A♠ 2♥ Hit, Hit, Stand	5.00	5.00
08:54:46	Player Hand 21 2♥ 9♣ T♥ Double 10.00 10.00 Dealer Hand 17 J♦ 7♥ Stand	10.00	10.00
08:54:39	Player Hand 19 9♠ J♦ Stand 5.00 5.00 Dealer Hand 22 9♦ 3♠ T♥ Hit, Bust	5.00	5.00
08:54:29	Player Hand 15 5♣ T♠ Stand 10.00 -10.00 Dealer Hand 19 3♠ K♠ 6♦ Hit, Stand	10.00	-10.00
08:54:19	Player Hand 21 6♥ 5♥ T♥ Double 20.00 20.00 Dealer Hand 26 6♦ 5♣ 5♦ J♠ Hit, Hit, Bust	20.00	20.00
08:54:13	Player Hand 5 3♣ 2♣ 10.00 -10.00 Dealer Hand 21 Q♦ A♠ Blackjack	10.00	-10.00
08:54:02	Player Hand 19 5♥ 4♦ T♥ Hit, Stand 10.00 10.00 Dealer Hand 18 3♥ J♥ 3♠ 2♠ Hit, Hit, Stand	10.00	10.00
08:53:56	Player Hand 12 Q♦ 2♣ 5.00 -5.00 Dealer Hand 21 A♠ Q♠ Blackjack	5.00	-5.00
08:53:48	Player Hand 14 9♠ 5♣ Stand 5.00 -5.00 Dealer Hand 17 8♥ 4♥ 5♠ Hit, Stand	5.00	-5.00
08:53:41	Player Hand 18 8♦ Q♣ Stand 5.00 -5.00 Dealer Hand 20 2♠ 7♠ 7♦ 4♦ Hit, Hit, Stand	5.00	-5.00

09:21:49	Player Hand 16 T♠ 2♦ 4♦ Hit, Stand 43.00 -43.00 Dealer Hand 17 6♠ 9♠ 2♣ Hit, Stand	43.00	-43.00
09:21:37	Player Hand 22 2♠ J♦ T♥ Hit, Bust 43.00 -43.00 Dealer Hand 8 6♣ 2♣ Stand	43.00	-43.00
09:21:23	Player Hand 14 T♠ 4♦ Stand 43.00 43.00 Dealer Hand 23 J♦ 5♦ 8♦ Hit, Bust	43.00	43.00
09:21:01	Player Hand 20 3♥ 7♥ K♠ Hit, Stand 42.00 -42.00 Dealer Hand 21 5♠ J♠ 6♥ Hit, Stand	42.00	-42.00
09:20:38	Player Hand 12 2♦ Q♥ Stand 42.00 42.00 Dealer Hand 22 7♣ 5♦ Q♠ Hit, Bust	42.00	42.00
09:20:30	Player Hand 13 7♠ 6♣ Stand 42.00 -42.00 Dealer Hand 21 2♦ 3♣ 5♣ A♥ Hit, Hit, Stand	42.00	-42.00
09:20:20	Player Hand 15 J♠ 5♦ Stand 42.00 42.00 Dealer Hand 24 6♦ J♠ 8♥ Hit, Bust	42.00	42.00
09:20:09	Player Hand 23 5♥ A♣ 7♣ K♣ Hit, Hit, Bust 42.00 -42.00 Dealer Hand 12 2♣ J♠ Stand	42.00	-42.00
09:19:49	Player Hand 15 4♠ A♠ Q♣ Hit, Stand 28.00 -28.00 Dealer Hand 21 7♥ 2♦ 4♣ 8♥ Hit, Hit, Stand	28.00	-28.00
09:19:34	Player Hand 19 3♠ A♣ 5♠ Hit, Stand 28.00 28.00 Dealer Hand 22 Q♠ 3♥ 9♦ Hit, Bust	28.00	28.00

09:46:15	Player Hand 23 2♦ 6♥ 6♣ 9♣ Hit, Hit, Bust 4.00 -4.00 Dealer Hand 15 5♠ T♣ Stand	4.00	-4.00
09:46:08	Player Hand 20 T♠ Q♥ Stand 4.00 4.00 Dealer Hand 22 T♠ 5♦ 7♣ Hit, Bust	4.00	4.00
09:45:55	Player Hand 16 4♣ 8♦ A♠ 3♠ Hit, Hit, Stand 4.00 4.00 Dealer Hand 22 2♦ 9♣ A♥ J♣ Hit, Hit, Bust	4.00	4.00
09:45:48	Player Hand 14 T♦ 4♣ 4.00 -4.00 Dealer Hand 21 Q♥ A♥ Blackjack	4.00	-4.00
09:45:41	Player Hand 13 K♥ 3♣ Stand 4.00 -4.00 Dealer Hand 21 Q♦ 2♣ A♣ 8♥ Hit, Hit, Stand	4.00	-4.00
09:45:30	Player Hand 14 2♠ 3♣ 3♠ 6♥ Hit, Hit, Stand 4.00 -4.00 Dealer Hand 19 7♠ 2♥ J♥ Hit, Stand	4.00	-4.00
09:45:22	Player Hand 15 Q♣ 5♣ Stand 2.00 -2.00 Dealer Hand 19 K♥ 4♥ 5♦ Hit, Stand	2.00	-2.00
09:45:09	Player Hand 1 18 8♦ T♣ Stand 2.00 2.00 Player Hand 2 18 8♥ K♣ Split, Stand 2.00 2.00 Dealer Hand 22 J♦ 2♣ Q♥ Hit, Bust	4.00	4.00
09:44:59	Player Hand 20 7♥ 6♦ 7♠ Hit, Stand 2.00 2.00 Dealer Hand 25 5♦ J♣ J♠ Hit, Bust	2.00	2.00
09:44:52	Player Hand 14 J♥ 4♦ 2.00 -2.00 Dealer Hand 21 J♠ A♠ Blackjack	2.00	-

[psufan]

Any recent thoughts and experiences

[capone1899]

If you think live dealer is the way to go you're wrong also. They can pull out/add whatever cards they want to the deck. Was playing at a site once and was counting cards in a 6 deck shoot. When it was time to shuffle again they were already over the amount of 3s,4s,and 6s that should have been in the entire 6 decks.

[katstale]

I was playing one of first online live BJ abt 10 years ago and was clearing a bonus. Was taking forever grinding at 5 a hand and the girl in the bikini was soooo slow so I finally got bored and bet $100. She was pulling out these giant cards and putting them down carefully. She comes to my hand and says "oh my, GL sir" and proceeds to drop my second card on the floor. I am both mad and laughing because i know I am gonna get a 6 now to go with my ten. She apologizes and proceeds to lay an Ace on me! lolol I tipped her and left the table. WR done

[luctens]

Whether it's blackjack, roulette or any casino game or all the rest of it, they are all rigged games. Any game that is fixed for you to lose a percentage of your money with no way of using any skill or knowledge whatsoever to overcome that margin, any game in that category is a rigged game, it's as simple as that.

It doesn't matter if the house edge is 1%, 3% or whatever it is, it isn't "fair", it simply means you are certain to lose 1% or 3% or whatever of your money over time, and there's absolutely nothing you can do do about it. There's nothing "provably fair" about it at all, the game is programmed to be guaranteed to take your money over time. When you see casinos say they are fair and they don't rig games as they have just 3% margin or whatever on this or that casino game, that doesn't mean it's fair and doesn't mean it's not rigged, it's obviously rigged, rigged for you to be guaranteed to lose 3% of your money over time, and that's not "fair" or "provably fair" or any of that kind of crap that is spouted out, it's fixed for you to lose money with no way of using skill or knowledge to overcome that margin, and any game that falls into that category is rigged, it's as simple as that.

At least sports betting and some other forms of gambling give you a chance to be good enough to be a long term winner, but playing on casino games and other similar forms of guaranteed loss gambling is completely dumb, as there is absolutely nothing whatsoever you can do to stop the fact that you are guaranteed to lose on these games in the long term.

Anybody who bets on such games where you are absolutely guaranteed to lose in the long term is completely and utterly stupid.

[raiders72001]

Whether it's blackjack, roulette or any casino game or all the rest of it, they are all rigged games. Any game that is fixed for you to lose a percentage of your money with no way of using any skill or knowledge whatsoever to overcome that margin, any game in that category is a rigged game, it's as simple as that.

It doesn't matter if the house edge is 1%, 3% or whatever it is, it isn't "fair", it simply means you are certain to lose 1% or 3% or whatever of your money over time, and there's absolutely nothing you can do do about it. There's nothing "provably fair" about it at all, the game is programmed to be guaranteed to take your money over time. When you see casinos say they are fair and they don't rig games as they have just 3% margin or whatever on this or that casino game, that doesn't mean it's fair and doesn't mean it's not rigged, it's obviously rigged, rigged for you to be guaranteed to lose 3% of your money over time, and that's not "fair" or "provably fair" or any of that kind of crap that is spouted out, it's fixed for you to lose money with no way of using skill or knowledge to overcome that margin, and any game that falls into that category is rigged, it's as simple as that.

At least sports betting and some other forms of gambling give you a chance to be good enough to be a long term winner, but playing on casino games and other similar forms of guaranteed loss gambling is completely dumb, as there is absolutely nothing whatsoever you can do to stop the fact that you are guaranteed to lose on these games in the long term.

Anybody who bets on such games where you are absolutely guaranteed to lose in the long term is completely and utterly stupid.

Provably fair means that there is no cheating. Nitrogen's games are provably fair.

There are banking slots in Vegas that are +ev.

[futbolmundial]

nitro poker needs to be avoided. nitro themselves have admitted to players colluding on poker. hard to stop.... the action flops and crazy hands appear way too often than the norm compared to playing in real life and other platforms....

[luctens]

Provably fair means that there is no cheating. Nitrogen's games are provably fair.

There are banking slots in Vegas that are +ev.

What a load of crap, you say that the places that are "provably fair" means there's "no cheating", the fact is that they're cheating you already simply by the pure mechanics of the games in the first place you idiot. The fact is that no outside intervention to cheat on a casino's part is needed, as casino games by their very nature are already cheating you for goodness sake, they are a con, and they are rigged in the first place by the very fact that you are guaranteed to lose in the long term, and if you can't see that, then you're completely deluded.

All "provably fair" and all the rest of that crap is saying is that they don't use any additional cheating or rigging of the game to take any more than their house edge, but them just taking their house edge with no additional cheating or anything on top already means you are guaranteed to lose in the long term in the first place, so whether it's "provably fair" or not doesn't matter whatsoever, as you're already being cheated and rigged against in the first place by the very nature of these games meaning you are guaranteed to lose in the long term.

So don't delude yourself into thinking "provably fair" means that these games are somehow "fair" in any way, shape or form whatsoever, as any game where you are absolutely guaranteed to lose in the long term with no skill or knowledge that can overcome that, no game of that nature can ever have the word "fair" legitimately associated with it whatsoever, as it's not a fair game, it's a rigged game, plain and simple, and it's only absolutely complete and utter idiots that play such games that you are absolutely guaranteed to lose on in the long term.

And whatever slots you're talking about in Vegas, you're talking complete rubbish. Every single casino game and similar guaranteed loss gambling game is minus expected value, which should actually be expressed with casinos and other forms of guaranteed loss gambling as minus guaranteed value, as it's not that with casino games you are expected to lose in the long term, you are guaranteed to lose in the long term, so minus guaranteed value is the term to use for those games.

There is not a single game in a casino that is plus expected value, as every single game you play in a casino and all the rest of it are guaranteed for you to lose in the long term, it's as simple as that, so your talk of some slots in Vegas being plus expected value is obviously simply a complete load of crap.