1. 03-26-14 11:21 PM #36
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    Just penetrating tell us...
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  2. 03-26-14 11:24 PM #37
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    Quote Originally Posted by James D View Post
    Pass line and odds is one bet, because the odds can't be placed without the initial bet.
    No I consider odds to be a single bet. I realize it is tied to the pass line bet but it is on a specific outcome with different odds than the pass line
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  3. 03-26-14 11:27 PM #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCentaur View Post
    I didn't say game, I said single bet. For example, hard 4, which of course is not the right answer
    We do agree that pass line with odds behind is one bet though right? You can't bet odds without the pass line bet so saying its two bets would make no sense since one can't exist without the other.

    We anxiously await the unveiling LOL
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  4. 03-26-14 11:27 PM #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiveMeaBJ View Post
    Just penetrating tell us...
    Before I give the answer you guys need to make more guesses so we all learn about casino betting. People said casino war and betting red and black at the same time FFS, but also a poster said paigow banker which a lot of you probably didn't know about.
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  5. 03-26-14 11:28 PM #40
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    Centaur tell me now or else
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  6. 03-26-14 11:29 PM #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCentaur View Post
    Before I give the answer you guys need to make more guesses so we all learn about casino betting. People said casino war and betting red and black at the same time FFS, but also a poster said paigow banker which a lot of you probably didn't know about.
    I think you should specify that the village idiot said red and black. Don't make us look more dumb then we do.
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  7. 03-26-14 11:29 PM #42
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    progressive video poker has potential to be huge +EV depending on jackpot size.
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  8. 03-26-14 11:30 PM #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seaweed View Post
    Centaur tell me now or else
    You bet red, black, and split zeros. If you size your bet right you will win 0.5 unit for life.
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  9. 03-26-14 11:30 PM #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCentaur View Post
    No I consider odds to be a single bet. I realize it is tied to the pass line bet but it is on a specific outcome with different odds than the pass line

    You can't even make the odds bet without the passline bet and they both settle in full win or lose on the same exact outcome. If you win the pass you win the odds....if you lose the pass you lose the odds..there is never a contradictory result. How could they be different bets?
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  10. 03-26-14 11:31 PM #45
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    craps odds bet
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  11. 03-26-14 11:32 PM #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiveMeaBJ View Post
    You bet red, black, and split zeros. If you size your bet right you will win 0.5 unit for life.
    That math doesn't work at all
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  12. 03-26-14 11:32 PM #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by James D View Post
    That math doesn't work at all
    No kidding.....

    When I am poking fun at the village idiot just let me be.
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  13. 03-26-14 11:33 PM #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by James D View Post
    We do agree that pass line with odds behind is one bet though right? You can't bet odds without the pass line bet so saying its two bets would make no sense since one can't exist without the other.

    We anxiously await the unveiling LOL
    No i dont really agree. Yes you have to have a pass line bet to take odds but it's a different payout than the pass line
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  14. 03-26-14 11:33 PM #49
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    they are different bets because they have different EV and you don't always get to place the odds bet.
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  15. 03-26-14 11:34 PM #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaabee View Post
    progressive video poker has potential to be huge +EV depending on jackpot size.
    progressive anything for that matter.
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  16. 03-26-14 11:35 PM #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by James D View Post
    You can't even make the odds bet without the passline bet and they both settle in full win or lose on the same exact outcome. If you win the pass you win the odds....if you lose the pass you lose the odds..there is never a contradictory result. How could they be different bets?
    OK fine if u want to say they are the same ok, still not it
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  17. 03-26-14 11:35 PM #52
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas39 View Post
    craps odds bet

    As I am sure you know Craps odds bet is juice free so the casino and the player have exactly the same odds. The problem is you can not make this bet without making a passline bet first, which does have a casino edge.

    As I mentioned earlier ITT full pay deuces wild has an edge for the player. Payout is over 100.7% but the machines are hard to find. There are some out there though
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  18. 03-26-14 11:36 PM #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCentaur View Post
    OK fine if u want to say they are the same ok, still not it
    I have no clue but I'll keep throwing shit at the wall. Doubling 11 vs a 6 does that count?
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  19. 03-26-14 11:36 PM #54
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    Just promise me you tell us before the Super Bowl because I want to go to vegas superbowl weekend and I can grind up some winnings to bet on the game if I get there a few days early.
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  20. 03-26-14 11:42 PM #55
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    changed
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  21. 03-26-14 11:44 PM #56
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    A BJ hand with a matchplay coupon
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  22. 03-26-14 11:44 PM #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiveMeaBJ View Post
    I have no clue but I'll keep throwing shit at the wall. Doubling 11 vs a 6 does that count?
    Yes that counts. Good answer. Not it though.
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  23. 03-26-14 11:45 PM #58
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. leisure View Post
    A BJ hand with a matchplay coupon
    That doesnt count
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  24. 03-26-14 11:55 PM #59
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    this tells me, craps odds.

    http://www.bottomlinepublications.co...nd-the-5-worst
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  25. 03-26-14 11:56 PM #60
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    Can we get an answer?
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  26. 03-27-14 12:10 AM #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaabee View Post
    they are different bets because they have different EV and you don't always get to place the odds bet.
    They have different EV but you just very simply calculate the combined EV. Odds bet can't exist without the line bet and once placed they both have the same winning numbers and the same losing numbers.

    When you play video poker a max bet is five credits, if you bet four credits you can't win the max payouts. So the first four coins wagered have a different EV then the fifth coin. Yet we don't consider this 5 separate bets.
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  27. 03-27-14 12:15 AM #62
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCentaur View Post
    Yes that counts. Good answer. Not it though.

    Doubling 11 vs 6 can't count, because it's not an event you can bet on anymore then you can bet a full game wager on the before tip off point spread in the 4th quarter of a game
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  28. 03-27-14 09:18 AM #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by James D View Post
    They have different EV but you just very simply calculate the combined EV. Odds bet can't exist without the line bet and once placed they both have the same winning numbers and the same losing numbers.

    When you play video poker a max bet is five credits, if you bet four credits you can't win the max payouts. So the first four coins wagered have a different EV then the fifth coin. Yet we don't consider this 5 separate bets.
    If there is just one bet, how can you combine them?
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  29. 03-27-14 09:56 AM #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaabee View Post
    If there is just one bet, how can you combine them?
    When a team wins a football/basketball game they combine the scores of each quarter and the team with the most points wins. A baseball game they combine the scoring nine innings in each of the nine innings.
    Not sure why the word combine is a game changer for you. You can't make a vig free odds bet without the initial investment so how can they be separate?

    Please answer this question Kaabee, if the two are separate bets why do casinos offer 5x odds others offer 10x odds and others offer 100x odds'? The casino only allows you to make an odds bet directly related to the amount of the pass line bet. If they are two separate bets How can bet one directly restrict what your allowed to do on bet two?? How do separate bets restrict your next completely independent bet?
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  30. 03-27-14 10:14 AM #65
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    Shadow a slot degen. Watch him dump his paycheck into a slot without getting anything out. Thing will be more loaded than a 4 balled tom cat. Go over with a few bucks after the degen leaves and play that slot. Cash out big money.




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  31. 03-27-14 11:11 AM #66
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    Aa vs 72o
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  32. 03-27-14 11:20 AM #67
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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    Heads up poker
    Aa vs 72o

    Lots of hands much much worse then 72o if you have aces. You want other guy to have an ace. Just a Few examples to show you...

    AA vs 72o is 87-12%
    AA vs A2o is 93-6%
    AA vs A6o is 93-5%
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  33. 03-27-14 11:23 AM #68
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    How about a hint?

    Something weird like "Spinner Loses" in Two Up maybe?
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  34. 03-27-14 11:27 AM #69
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    How about a hint?

    Something weird like "Spinner Loses" in Two Up maybe?
    I'm not even sure I want to answer after reading replies

    Sure to be arguing about it
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  35. 03-27-14 11:32 AM #70
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    Good thread though Cent. Guys need to be aware of the best games for players. Bacc can be a very solid game. Yes there is a commission if betting banker. Work with a partner and progress. Can get some really nice comp time but dealers get a little annoyed once they figure it out..haha.

    Nothing illegal about it, just being smart with your money. I'm stumped on what the answer is....
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