Your guess is fkn awful bro. Will be in the 1xx probably like -160 BB.
Ya think? Gonzaga is kind of a can, Beast can throw down.. Even the odds makers can see this..
Sticking to my -225 beast mode and we'll just see what sticks!! You could be right considering Derrick Lewis is coming in on short notice though.... I'm hoping the odds are closer to even myself but I just don't think they will be...
Derrick Lewis to fight Gabriel Gonzaga at UFC Zagreb
The co-main event of the UFC's first show in Croatia has suffered a major blow as Russian prospect Ruslan Magomedov needed to pull out from his heavyweight bout against Gabriel Gonzaga, citing a knee injury, as MMA Junkie reported. However, another UFC heavyweight is set to take his place.
As Combate reported, Derrick "The Black Beast" Lewis (14-4-1 NC) will take the fight on one month's notice. The 31-year old will look for his third win in a row after two TKO victories over Viktor Pesta and Damian Grabowski. His last loss was a TKO loss to Shawn Jordan last June.
Gonzaga (17-10) saved his job when he snapped a three-fight losing skid, with losses to Stipe Miocic, Matt Mitrione and Mirko Cro Cop, by defeating Konstantin Erokhin by unanimous decision in very tedious fashion in the TUF 22 Finale back in December.
Gabriel Gonzaga will take on Derrick Lewis in the co-main event of UFC Fight Night 86, in Zagreb, Croatia, on April 10. The Fox Sports 1 card will be headlined by another pair of heavyweights as Junior dos Santos takes on Ben Rothwell.
Reebok took away Rothwell's cloak and cape, he still comes out the OG batman tune, but this doesn't play the full affect he will need to beat the former heavyweight champ.
Reebok took away Rothwell's cloak and cape, he still comes out the OG batman tune, but this doesn't play the full affect he will need to beat the former heavyweight champ.
JDS needs to win now also or he will be considered just a journey man and stepping stone for other better fighters coming up.. This fight is important for both I think...
Reebok took away Rothwell's cloak and cape, he still comes out the OG batman tune, but this doesn't play the full affect he will need to beat the former heavyweight champ.
Nah, it's a very easy fight to predict, durability is king in the heavyweight division, it trumps everything, how do you beat a big man, you outlast him either by cardio or chin, exspecially in a heavy weight fight going 5 rounds against a guy that has the 3rd highest finishing rate in mma history, in ben tothwell, finishing 33 of his 36 wins, one guy is very durable and the other guy has depended on steroids probable his entire career. One guy is improving and motivated, the other guy is declining, it doesnt take a fukin rocket scientist to figure this one out boys.....lets see how long the old man lasts running from Ben rothwell, before he gasses out, you can't train as hard, recover as quickly, and have the gas tank you had when you were juiced up to the . Better jitz, better wrestling, durability, cardio, chin, reach and power advantages go to ben, let's see how long jds can last....lol I don't bet on heavy too often, but when I do, you better bet your ass it's money... Hunt over mir, werdum over cain, black beast over that russian can last fight, I'm very selective with heavyweights, and I always cash, this line has tremendous value, books tryed to put a resonanble line out there, and they failed, they still havent caught up to the decline, or maybe they knew they'd have people betting on what jds use to look like, don't miss out on this one boys....for refrence look at Mirs last 2 fights, or jds, or lombard, or Eric silva, and the list goes on and on, if your betting on the old jds to show up, ur fuking yourself from jump.
I no it's a fair way off, but have you guys seen the Ufc 198 card? Talk about fireworks, nearly every fight on that card ends before the final bell in my eyes!!
What do you think the odds will get to come fight time. Want to make sure I get the best # possible.
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Oh I almost forgot, confidence advantage, one guy just subbed barnett, and the other just got knocked out cold....this game is 50 percent mental.
JDS did get knocked out but the stoppage was semi-questionable and he was winning the fight to that point. 2 of his other 3 lifetime losses are to Cain and they were awesome fights (I mean for real they were penetrating awesome). My biggest concern about JDS is his lack of activity (only 2 fights in the last 2.5 years. I think his movement and speed will present real problems for Rothwell though. I'm not 100% sold on betting JDS but def leaning that way.
Rothwell on the other hand got lucky that Mitrione went full blown retard leaving his neck open like that and he was losing or tied with Vera at the very least going to the 3rd. I agree the choke on Barnett was great but Barnett looked like an old man out there. Overeem was also tagging Ben pretty well too until he got caught. Seems like he may be riding more luck/skill combo than just straight skill.
I totally respect your opinions Josh what are your thoughts? Why do you think JDS is declined so much by getting beat by Overeem?
Same wavelength Josh, JDS physically to me is fighting older than anyone in the division really.. After those beatings from Cain he doesn't look the same.
Easy victory for Rothwell in this one. Go ahead and bet the farm boys
What do you think the odds will get to come fight time. Want to make sure I get the best # possible.
JDS did get knocked out but the stoppage was semi-questionable and he was winning the fight to that point. 2 of his other 3 lifetime losses are to Cain and they were awesome fights (I mean for real they were penetrating awesome). My biggest concern about JDS is his lack of activity (only 2 fights in the last 2.5 years. I think his movement and speed will present real problems for Rothwell though. I'm not 100% sold on betting JDS but def leaning that way.
Rothwell on the other hand got lucky that Mitrione went full blown retard leaving his neck open like that and he was losing or tied with Vera at the very least going to the 3rd. I agree the choke on Barnett was great but Barnett looked like an old man out there. Overeem was also tagging Ben pretty well too until he got caught. Seems like he may be riding more luck/skill combo than just straight skill.
I totally respect your opinions Josh what are your thoughts? Why do you think JDS is declined so much by getting beat by Overeem?
Decline from fighter age, damage recieved and no longer being allowed to juice...if you wanted to bet jds, you should have placed it when he was at place money, he's the bigger well known name, previous champion, and Rothwell is always underestimated, probable continues to drop, but you might as well wait if you want to bet jds, the line is already terrible and was never at a point close to being worth a bet, but maybe you get some line movement your way when people see how much bigger rothwell is at weighins, I've seen some pictures of jds, and he still looks like a shrunken man as in the overeem fight, maybe a little worse.
Suggartown, watch the stipe fight and overeem fight, tentive, lose of movement, lose of cardio, lose of chin, lose of explosion, everything that made him great is gone. The more durable heavyweight will win, if jds fights tentive as in the overeem fight, he will lose in the 3rd, if he gets a little more aggressive, he will lose in the 1st.
Like you mentioned in your thread start post.. Black Beast Derrick Lewis knocks out Gonzaga 1st round prop and or by KO is the call for sure for best odds.
Gonzaga fights scared in this one, Gonzaga will be slow as usual and very hitable, he'll also be the smaller guy.. Perfect match up and easy fight for Lewis..
Derrick Lewis just can't get taken down early on in this fight or make this fight drag on which he won't.. If he fights aggressive he could knock out Gonzaga in the first minute of the fight seriously..
Same wavelength Josh, JDS physically to me is fighting older than anyone in the division really.. After those beatings from Cain he doesn't look the same.
Easy victory for Rothwell in this one. Go ahead and bet the farm boys
Rothwell lost very very easy vs Cain, complete dominated...
Oh I almost forgot, confidence advantage, one guy just subbed barnett, and the other just got knocked out cold....this game is 50 percent mental.
I really like JDS too. I thuink those wars with Cain took a lot out of him. He was too tough for his won good. Hopefully he made enough money. JDS also never really evolved. He's like the Chuck Liddell of the HW's.
I really like JDS too. I thuink those wars with Cain took a lot out of him. He was too tough for his won good. Hopefully he made enough money. JDS also never really evolved. He's like the Chuck Liddell of the HW's.
Good comparison, his skills may still be there( though he didn't show them last fight), but his chin and confidence in himself is shot compared to what it was, those are 2 of the worse prolonged beatings ever in mma, and they happen at heavyweight and to the same guy, just brutal, jds showed a ton of heart in both fights.
Yea, if we get decent odds, they have 3 more guys beside rothwell I'm looking at betting straight, the rest of the card will be prop and live play, but still no odds out yet.
Yea, if we get decent odds, they have 3 more guys beside rothwell I'm looking at betting straight, the rest of the card will be prop and live play, but still no odds out yet.
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. Better jitz, better wrestling, durability, cardio, chin, reach and power advantages go to ben, let's see how long jds can last....lol 
I don't bet on heavy too often, but when I do, you better bet your ass it's money... Hunt over mir, werdum over cain, black beast over that russian can last fight, I'm very selective with heavyweights, and I always cash, this line has tremendous value, books tryed to put a resonanble line out there, and they failed, they still havent caught up to the decline, or maybe they knew they'd have people betting on what jds use to look like, don't miss out on this one boys....for refrence look at Mirs last 2 fights, or jds, or lombard, or Eric silva, and the list goes on and on, if your betting on the old jds to show up, ur fuking yourself from jump.
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