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    Woodstick Value Plays

    I seem to have found a little success betting MMA recently with the strategy of picking my shots in each event a bit more carefully and thoughtfully than I used to. I've noticed that some posters on this forum make gut-shot plays to get as much action per event as possible (a habit I've been a victim). While betting on as many fights as possible per event is a thrill, by increasing the volume of bets in which you haven't done the necessary research for and haven't taken the time to thoroughly think through, you put yourself in danger of increasing the amount of -EV bets placed per event and sacrificing a lot of net value per event, which will hurt anyone in the long run. For me, as much as betting on MMA is exciting (I do it mostly for fun), being successful at it as well makes it that much more worthwhile, which is why I have made it a priority to remain disciplined.

    While I may add one or two more plays when it gets closer to fight night and I've done more research, this is the play that I have given plenty of thought and feel very confident in putting my ass (and little rooster) on the line for....



    UFC Fight Night 45: Cerrone vs Miller: Play #1

    Alex White ITD +105



    This is more of a fade of Lucas Martins than it is an endorsement of Alex White. Martins is an aggressive Chute Box fighter who made his UFC debut at lightweight against Edson Barboza. In the first round, Martins rushed in recklessly with his chin exposed and was cracked with a straight left, eventually tapping to strikes. Barboza is obviously an ultra-gifted striker, so losing to him in your UFC debut is nothing to scoff at. However, It is hard to ignore how badly he was outclassed in their stand up exchanges.
    It was his second UFC fight against Jeremy Larsen that was particularly disturbing. Keep in mind that Larsen suffered three straight TKO/KO losses before being cut by the UFC. Still, the regional-level caliber fighter Larsen landed some pretty hard shots against Martins throughout the fight and almost finished Martins in a couple instances. Once again, Martins fought recklessly with his chin up and his hands down, fully willing to brawl with Larsen. His ability to eat as many shots as he did and still finish Larsen was admirable, but his striking defense proved to be a huge, obvious hole in his game that could easily be exploited by a UFC caliber fighter. He most recently dropped to 135 to fight Ramiro Hernandez where he once again initiated a brawl, this time knocking down the now 0-2 (in UFC) Hernandez and finishing him with a choke. Martins' bad habit of keeping his chin up and blatantly exposing himself to counters led him to eat some shots, but his aggressiveness and reach advantage bailed him out.

    On Wednesday, he will be facing a different animal in Alex White, who has shown promise as a legitimate UFC caliber fighter (unlike Martins' two recent opponents). While Alex White proved to be almost equally as aggressive as Martins in his UFC debut, the former pro boxer White displayed significantly better striking, throwing crisper combinations while mixing in unorthodox spinning strikes and head kicks, never leaving himself as exposed as Martins. Neither fighter has made a secret about their intentions in the octagon, and it will be likely this fight will end before we get a chance to see either attempting a takedown. It is important to note that White will be the first southpaw Martins has faced, and this is the first fight since Barboza where Martins will not have a height or reach advantage. I strongly believe the much more technical White will make quick work of the hyper aggressive Martins who, as usual will leave himself exposed to counters.
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    Nice write up and I agree with you Solid Pick

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    Thanks for the write up. Appears you have understood one of the key points to be a successful mma bettor.

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    Yeah i like that alex white kid too. i bet on him on his debut. everyone else seemed unsure but i think hes the real deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marzwoody View Post
    Yeah i like that alex white kid too. i bet on him on his debut. everyone else seemed unsure but i think hes the real deal.
    Would the real MarkWoodstick please stand up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_Paul_2012 View Post
    Would the real MarkWoodstick please stand up.
    I have no clue who mark woodstick is, sorry to dissapoint. im not that dude from fight club talking to myself and shit. hes clearly influenced by the great one though bless him.

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    Too much wood in this thread.

    What's a "gut-shot play"? Is that when you go all-in on a fighter despite having only a few outs in the deck? Sounds like Gaberz advanced Armo betting strategy.

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    I'm more than willing to switch my name to SteveHugandkiss.

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    looked into this fight, alex white is not a really good fighter. He display lack of speed, grappling etc. He may win but im not confident at all. This is a jesus christ bet, remember? The guy that had a huge winning streak but suddenly went 0-15 or 16. He made that possible by making bets like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjpenn85 View Post
    looked into this fight, alex white is not a really good fighter. He display lack of speed, grappling etc. He may win but im not confident at all. This is a jesus christ bet, remember? The guy that had a huge winning streak but suddenly went 0-15 or 16. He made that possible by making bets like this.
    Im disappointed to hear that. As I mentioned, this bet is more of a fade of Lucas Martins, whose record in the UFC does not reflect his actual abilities. Have you seen Martins fight?

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    I have seen all of his fights but i have not re-watched them in a while. But to make a bet, you should believe there is a significant advantage. For me its a gut feeling like sensation, i see a fighter, and i either suddenly get hooked on a certain thing, like hand position, smooth movement, extreme quickness in combination with you know something...when i see alex white, i see a mediocre fighter that fight wells, but he is no world beater. Ok, maybe he wins this fight, maybe, but how good is he? Better than dunham? no..better than tibau? charles oliveira..no...you see? guys got no future, if i was to bet on alex white i would at least think he could beat charles oliveira or tibau, but hes nowhere that level IMO, so why should i bet on a guy believe would loose to all top 20 lightweights, but maybe baby will beat lucas martins? NO edge, no bet.

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    The kid will prob win. most likely by KO. naming fighters you think he cant beat is irrelevant. hes not fighting them. hes fighting lucas martins. he looked pretty fast when he knocked out payan in the first round and his grappling cant be so bad that he has submissions.
    Last edited by marzwoody; 07-14-14 at 09:11 PM.

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    I like Alex White in this fight. Came in on short notice against Payan and looked good for a short notice guy. Martins has never impressed me either.

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    Submissions against who? And highlighting, comparing/constrasting is basically what we do, nothing is more relevant than that.

    I dont think he looks fast, but he is more technical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjpenn85 View Post
    I have seen all of his fights but i have not re-watched them in a while. But to make a bet, you should believe there is a significant advantage. For me its a gut feeling like sensation, i see a fighter, and i either suddenly get hooked on a certain thing, like hand position, smooth movement, extreme quickness in combination with you know something...when i see alex white, i see a mediocre fighter that fight wells, but he is no world beater. Ok, maybe he wins this fight, maybe, but how good is he? Better than dunham? no..better than tibau? charles oliveira..no...you see? guys got no future, if i was to bet on alex white i would at least think he could beat charles oliveira or tibau, but hes nowhere that level IMO, so why should i bet on a guy believe would loose to all top 20 lightweights, but maybe baby will beat lucas martins? NO edge, no bet.
    When capping a fight, my main focus is the matchup at hand. Do you think I ever felt entirely confident in betting on Kenny Robertson in his last fight? The dude has been certifiably average in his UFC career, but he's a tough wrestler who I thought matched up really well against a flakey and overrated Alcantara.

    The logic for betting on White here can be simplified : If Martins struggled mightily against a regional-level, slow-to-the punch lightweight who had a height and reach disadvantage, how will he fair against a featherweight who is more technical, harder hitting, has a reach advantage and is a southpaw?

    Keep in mind also that White is a featherweight, not lightweight.
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    Worst case scenario, I lose all bets tomorrow and go back to jerking off punks under the Queensboro Bridge for 15 bucks a pop.

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    lol no crystal ball here but I think its a good lean too
    Quote Originally Posted by MarkWoodstick View Post
    Worst case scenario, I lose all bets tomorrow and go back to jerking off punks under the Queensboro Bridge for 15 bucks a pop.

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    Man o man, look at white getting tagged, and this guy is like 0-4 now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ClNUdT0ph0
    Also in this fight against babcock - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UR7OsWbKYc

    White gets tagged a lot. He is wild, and hes aggressive. Maybe a tad emotional like his wild friend lucas martins?

    Whos going to go down first? -im not putting down any money on white. But what a likeable guy. His friendliness alone is almost worth a small bet, but am passing for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjpenn85 View Post
    Man o man, look at white getting tagged, and this guy is like 0-4 now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ClNUdT0ph0
    Also in this fight against babcock - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UR7OsWbKYc

    White gets tagged a lot. He is wild, and hes aggressive. Maybe a tad emotional like his wild friend lucas martins?

    Whos going to go down first? -im not putting down any money on white. But what a likeable guy. His friendliness alone is almost worth a small bet, but am passing for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjpenn85 View Post
    looked into this fight, alex white is not a really good fighter. He display lack of speed, grappling etc. He may win but im not confident at all. This is a jesus christ bet, remember? The guy that had a huge winning streak but suddenly went 0-15 or 16. He made that possible by making bets like this.
    Yee tht was an epic demise!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkWoodstick View Post
    Worst case scenario, I lose all bets tomorrow and go back to jerking off punks under the Queensboro Bridge for 15 bucks a pop.
    Hey, dont be callin me a punk

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    Quote Originally Posted by marzwoody View Post
    The kid will prob win. most likely by KO. naming fighters you think he cant beat is irrelevant. hes not fighting them. hes fighting lucas martins. he looked pretty fast when he knocked out payan in the first round and his grappling cant be so bad that he has submissions.
    I got sub wins as well. Gogoplata'd my downsyndrome cousin once

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    I havent seen any fooage that implies that his ground game / grappling is bad. hes not fighting a guy known for his leet wrestling.

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    I heard Payan got KO'd by a gust of air this week.

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    I have also placed a bet on Joe Proctor at +140. I would be more reluctant to place a bet at the current odds of +110 -+120, as I think this is a fairly close matchup that will most likely go to decision, perhaps even split.

    I like that Proctor is younger with a little less fight mileage. He also possesses a 2 inch reach advantage, which should give him a little edge in the standup department. Salas has a good wrestling background, but his wrestling hasn't translated to MMA as well as other former collegiate wrestlers' have. Also, Salas has had trouble maintaining top control when he does get takedowns. If this fight inevitably hits the mat, Proctor will look to threaten with submission attempts and possibly use those subs to reverse position. I don't believe Salas will smother Proctor like Nijem did. My main worry for Proctor is that he will attempt submissions too recklessly, allowing Salas to maintain control and steal rounds.

    Ultimately though, I love Proctor's toughness and cardio, which are qualities that slightly tip the scales in close fights like these. He is still a young and maturing fighter, so we should see a more improved and hopefully smarter fighter who is refining his skills at Lauzon MMA. As I mentioned, the fighters' are almost equally as talented, and this fight will come down to who is has made larger strides in camp and who pushes a little more at the end of rounds. At underdog odds, I will take a stab at Proctor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grabaka View Post
    I heard Payan got KO'd by a gust of air this week.
    Early stoppage, right side.

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    Air was due a win to be fair

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    ^ It's been all downhill since Hurricane Sandy.

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    Martines was literally flailing his arms around like a 5. grade girls fighting in the Larsen fight. Like the play.
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    This will probably be my last play of the card:

    UFC Fight Night 45: Cerrone vs Miller Play #3

    Jerrod Sanders -155

    (This is the picture that came up when I googled Jerrod Sanders)

    This is an opportunity to fade a fighter who does not appear to be UFC caliber and will most likely be cut by week's end.

    Yosdenis Cedeno lost a split decision to Ernest Chavez in his UFC debut. Cedeno won the first round with some impressive karate-style striking. However, by round's end, the previously spry-on-his feet Cedeno was moving considerably slower. In Round's 2 and 3, Chavez had a much easier time grabbing a hold of Cedeno, pinning him against the cage and scoring takedowns. Not only was Cedeno's takedown defense poor, his BJJ off his back was worse. Rogan went as far to call Cedeno a "novice" on the ground. Cedeno offered almost no resistance to Chavez advancing position, and made no submission or reversal attempts.

    Cedeno will be facing a former All-American wrestler with takedowns, top control, and submissions much superior to the doughy Chavez. It appears, based on his last fight against Chavez, that the karate specialist Cedeno is not accustomed to the grueling grappling wars that often take place in MMA fights. Cedeno is usually able to finish lesser regional-level fighters in the 1st or 2nd round without his cardio or grappling deficiencies being tested. A disciplined wrestler with a smothering top game like Sanders is a nightmare matchup for Cedeno, and Sanders should be able to able to weather the early storm and cruise to a submission or decision victory most of the time. The -155 odds are generous.

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    Summary of plays for UFC Fight Night: Cerrone vs Miller:

    Alex White ITD +105 - Risk 35 to win 36.75
    Joe Proctor +140 - Risk 15 to win 21
    Jerrod Sanders -155 - Risk 30 to win 19.35

    EDIT: I sprinkled in Sanders by submission - Risk $4.82 to win 20
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    Good Stuff....Looks Like $$

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    White was -155 and you took +105 ITD>...

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    Line has since moved to +128, which im kicking myself a bit for.

    Good luck tonight, let's hope our mutual bets hit

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    Nice pick u little jerkoff.

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