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Why are relievers so bad?
Honest question. What other sport do you see athletes this bad at their jobs? It's like an epidemic throughout baseball. There are so many relievers with no business being in the game at all, let alone at the MLB level.
I had Oakland today. When the A's went down 4-2, they might as well have been down 100-2. Yet this Santiago cat comes in and gives up 5 hits and 3 runs while getting one out? Against this anemic offense? Are you kidding me?
yea i basically marked that game as a win... 5 minutes later i see oak scored maybe their first 3 run inning of the season with ease
Why is their even a "bullpen" in the first place? In other words, why aren't relievers in the dugout vs. sitting by themselves, napping and dicking around away from the action and the rest of their teammates? Maybe that's part of the problem -- they're so disengaged that when they need to "turn it on," many of them can't. It's kind of like hitters who can't handle the DH because they aren't on the field and can't get into any kind of rhythm.
Hector Santiago is the worst fukkin closer in the league.
Why do you ask such stupid questions all the time?
Between the White Sox & A's, they used 9 relief pitches, 6 of those didnt give up any runs and only 3 hits, yet now all relief pitchers are useless.
I'm surprised your not calling it a fix.
Again...
Internet / -1 Ticket #: 14659
Apr 25 02:42 PM
Apr 25 03:40 PM
Apr 25 03:35 PMMLB
MLB
MLBPARLAY (3 TEAMS)
[905] CARDINALS (STL) -165
( L LYNN -R / C VOLSTAD -R )
[907] PHILLIES (PHI) -113
( C HAMELS -L/ ACTION )
[917] WHITE SOX (CWS) -135
( C SALE -L/ ACTION )54 / 231 -54 LOSE
WIN
WIN
LOSE04/25/2012 02:06 PM
there were two blown saves in this game... tough to really act like they did a good jobOriginally Posted by MatI
But even harder to act as if it's happening across the board... one game fellas, one game.
And I was on chisox.
Relievers suck, b/c most of them are failed starters.
So you have failures still trying to find success.
baseball is the only sport, you can be completely junk and still have a job.
just look at some hitters batting under .200..
failing over 8 out of 10 times. and still keeping a job
Because the majority of them aren't good enough enough to be starters.
You've been watching baseball for a long time no coin, I really can't believe you made this thread. The game is a lot different in the last 3 innings than the first 6.
tell that to the $4,500 the cards cost me in b2b 9th innings the last two nights and the $500 the White Sox cost me today (at least it took a 9th inning blown save to get to that point today)But even harder to act as if it's happening across the board... one game fellas, one game.
And I was on chisox.
happens too much... 1 run leads are never safe
We have the same luck these last 3 days bro. Sickening, im just grateful I played em all str8 to make a few bucks, but what coulda beentell that to the $4,500 the cards cost me in b2b 9th innings the last two nights and the $500 the White Sox cost me today (at least it took a 9th inning blown save to get to that point today)
So you have a talent to pick the bad beat each night. I guess your regretting taking the Cards today.
tell that to the $4,500 the cards cost me in b2b 9th innings the last two nights and the $500 the White Sox cost me today (at least it took a 9th inning blown save to get to that point today)
haha I noticed that... everywhere I go to bitch, you beat me to itWe have the same luck these last 3 days bro. Sickening, im just grateful I played em all str8 to make a few bucks, but what coulda been
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third time was the charm todaySo you have a talent to pick the bad beat each night. I guess your regretting taking the Cards today.cant even enjoy it though knowing that they shoulda swept this series
Dlunc, I bet my boy $20 that I was gonna lose the whitesox parlay when sox went up 4-2. I told him my parlays always find a wy to lose with less than 2 outs left. He was shocked
Nice.. at least you were able to hedge a little.. Learning to expect it to happen that way im not as furious after the fact. Im prepared for 7 runs in the last 2.5 runs in this sf gameDlunc, I bet my boy $20 that I was gonna lose the whitesox parlay when sox went up 4-2. I told him my parlays always find a wy to lose with less than 2 outs left. He was shocked
2.5 innings** (why am i not able to edit?)
I don't remember there being a problem with relief pitching until the steroid era, and it's carried over from there.
Guys like Brandon Lyon and Kevin Gregg wouldn't even have jobs if they were this bad in any other profession, yet not only do they make millions in baseball, they've actually been closers for teams. Unreal.
Dlunc, this is how I deal with it, maybe it will work for u, let off ssome steam
nocoin you have to take into account that relief pitching is brought in when NEEDED... aka usually there's a runner on base
it's no surprise that relief pitchers give up runs, they're often brought in to get out of trouble.
that doesnt explain at all why relievers ERA is higher than starters ERA
NTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 69018496
Apr 25 10:10 PMMLB STRAIGHT BET
[916] LOS -118
( B BEACHY -R / T LILLY -L )222 / 188 -222 LOSE
LOSE04/25/2012 08:01 AM
NTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 69018496
Apr 25 10:10 PMMLB STRAIGHT BET
[916] LOS -118
( B BEACHY -R / T LILLY -L )222 / 188 -222 LOSE
LOSE04/25/2012 08:01 AM
Feel your pain..... Fukking Guerra
Add Cin/SF and MIA/NYM games to the list where bullpens decide the game. But you are right Matl, nothing to see here...
Add that horrid Angels bullpen for a day game trifecta!
what happened to the one blown save i needed? wtf seattle
INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 69058408
Apr 26 10:05 PMMLB STRAIGHT BET
[955] WAS -107
( E JACKSON -R / E VOLQUEZ -R )101 / 94 -101 LOSE
LOSE04/25/2012 10:27 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 69063331
Apr 26 10:05 PMMLB STRAIGHT BET
[955] WAS -115
( E JACKSON -R / E VOLQUEZ -R )216 / 188 -216 LOSE
LOSE04/26/2012 09:10 AM
Apr 27 07:06 PM INTERNET / -1 Apr 27 10:16 AM MLB STRAIGHT BET
[920] TOR BLUE JAYS -200
( ACTION )386 / 193 Apr 27 07:06 PM INTERNET / -1 Apr 27 10:16 AM MLB STRAIGHT BET
[920] TOR BLUE JAYS -1½EV
( B BEAVAN -R / R ROMERO -L )193 / 193
Straight Wager 04/27/12 18:40 ET bet 413.60 to win 376.00 Result: Pending
Seattle Mariners B Beavan
Toronto Blue Jays R Romero04/27/2012(19:05 ET)
Under 8.5
its amazing how these guys keep their jobs... it happens every night
Angels pen ruins it for them as well. Nothing to see here though guys. MatL said so...
there is an institutional problem with the way relievers are used because of the save stat.
relievers like chapman should be used and paid as the best relievers. having a long reliever that you can bring in for 3 innings every few days to close the game out is more valuable than a guy that is overpaid pitching one inning. managers are a slave to the save stat and the savvy small market teams that would do this don't because if you get a reliever saves they will be type A free agents where they can get compensation picks in the draft.
Ticket#:69137504
Apr 28 09:10 PM
INTERNET / -1Apr 28 11:11 AM
MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[965] WAS -117
( STRASBURG -R/ ACTION )
674 / 576
I am getting so sick of having to post in this thread.. it is absolutely unreal how many 9th inning blown saves there have been this week.. not just 1 run, but repeatedly blowing 2+ runs... so digusting
too many water down so called pieces of shit relievers
wash cost me $400
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